Mr BDHOLLAND
with due venia,

Well, I know that magazines are in the public domain, but I believe that you should not appropriate some ideas that I built in 2014 (I noticed the symbols) on my Bloghttps://zodiacode1933.blogspot.com/2014/04/red-ryder.html and put on your website without mentioning me.

This is contradictory, because you yourself said that you do not publish your material for fear of what others have done with it.
I’m not upset about using the idea, but not mentioning the source is a bit dowdy.

Marcelo

Hi,

At the end of my book (which is no longer available) I actually want to source those who made contributions and this was one source I couldn’t find an origin for. So thanks for telling me and I will include it. How do you want to be referenced?

BTW, there is a DAN in your reference also.

See this -> viewtopic.php?f=75&t=56&start=80#p82938

The_Napa_Valley_Register_Sat__Apr_23__1966

BTW, that’s a golfing society.

Hi BDHOLLAND

May I ask this;
What are your thoughts on this person R. W. Mageau ,
who might be Zodiac victim Mike Mageau’s father Robert W Mageau ?

Do you consider him a suspect?
And if yes, why?

I do not believe he is a suspect. I think he is a target.

I can link many of the victims families (parents etc) and some victims directly to attending ‘lodge’ related events that are linked.

I would propose the Zodiac is a member of those lodges and attending many meetings across several different places.

The Zodiac is attacking the kids of parents who have probably crossed paths with him.

The Zodiac has had inside knowledge of his victims and has stalked them.

They are not random targets based on location and being at the wrong place at the wrong time. He has waited for the opportunity. He has studied their lives.

He has had a very large list of these targets and has waited for the right time to strike some of them.

Thank you for the explanation.

Thank you for the explanation.

You are very welcome.

Also Mike Mageau’s dad lived right next to Hogan High School. He worked in pest control.

The Santa Rosa Hitchhiker Murder also appears to be having the same run in with the parents of kids he targeted and makes similar selections.

It’s the same theme throughout.

He was able to crank call Darlene’s family side for example. He had access to lots of their details. The reason why he didn’t speak over the phone is because they could recognize his voice. He has met them before. He speaks to dispatch no problem because they haven’t met him. Even Hartnell felt he recognized his voice and I have a possible connection there also as to why.

Anyway I hope you understand why I am reluctant to develop that within these Zodiac sites. They just aren’t places to be around much because of how they have gotten. Hence why I stayed away for 3 months and will probably do another 3 months or more while I am at it.

Good luck in your research.

No one “abused” you. Some people offered criticism of your conclusions and you got your feelings hurt. Then you doubled down on your conclusions rather than accept it and adjust your thinking. Then you got mad and started acting a like a “victim “ and said people were being “mean” to you. The truth is, you put forth some strong opinions. Those opinions were criticized. Then instead of acting like an adult about it, you acted liked a child.

I’m done wasting time on you. The 340 has been solved and that deserves 1000% more attention than someone who thinks the Lions Club is a golfing society and that Lake Berryessa had a salmon population in 1969.

1 – I felt bad about taking money to fund my research because I want to sleep at night and not have to worry that I have taken money based on media around a serial killer who murdered kids.

But you didn’t feel "bad" about dragging the Farleys into this via your nonsense theory?

No one “abused” you. Some people offered criticism of your conclusions and you got your feelings hurt. Then you doubled down on your conclusions rather than accept it and adjust your thinking. Then you got mad and started acting a like a “victim “ and said people were being “mean” to you. The truth is, you put forth some strong opinions. Those opinions were criticized. Then instead of acting like an adult about it, you acted liked a child.

I’m done wasting time on you. The 340 has been solved and that deserves 1000% more attention than someone who thinks the Lions Club is a golfing society and that Lake Berryessa had a salmon population in 1969.

How dare you tell me I have not been abused and insulted. How dare you. You are part of that abuse problem. You personally attack people and you attacked me as part of your targeted hate campaign on here and elsewhere. Cyberstalking campaign. It’s criminal behavior.

I have no problem with critic. Your lies there is confounded by the fact I modified things due to critic. For example pulling the 14th date connection.

The cause of your organized campaign of hate is my POI is a cop. It’s why you give me your special treatment and special attention. Well there is a whole much larger population out there which is bigger than your small clique and doesn’t like your kind of mistreatment of other human beings.

Shame on you.

1 – I felt bad about taking money to fund my research because I want to sleep at night and not have to worry that I have taken money based on media around a serial killer who murdered kids.

But you didn’t feel "bad" about dragging the Farleys into this via your nonsense theory?

You run a website with a section dedicated to POIs like this site does.

You single me out because my POI is a cop and like other self appointed Zodiac gatekeepers you need cops for your inside scoop.

You ran a hate campaign that stalked and abused me. You have a history of doing this to others.

How I feel about what I am doing is none of your highly toxic business. You have terrorized the Zodiac community and you are an abuser.

I look forward to the larger population fed up with killer cops and their backers taking people like you to task on your evil ways. And yes it’s evil. Straight out of the pit sulfer stinking abuse of other human beings.

But you didn’t feel "bad" about dragging the Farleys into this via your nonsense theory?

You single me out because my POI is a cop…

Farley was a cop? Do tell.

You ran a hate campaign that stalked and abused me.

Karen, quit flattering yourself.

You ran a hate campaign that stalked and abused me.

Karen, quit flattering yourself.

Why do you always have to be an asshole? Go be a douche on your own site. Oh wait, nobody goes to your site anymore so you have to come post here. You’re the only one that thinks you are funny. I bet you have no friends. Poor guy.

I’ll reply however I want to when someone makes false accusations at me. If you don’t like it, buy yourself a stress ball for Christmas.

I’ll reply however I want to when someone makes false accusations at me. If you don’t like it, buy yourself a stress ball for Christmas.

You couldn’t prove this remember? You can’t LINK anything to my ID – BDHOLLAND. What you do is want to play the interrogator. The burden is on you. You bring it up. No LINK to my name. No LINK at all? Then the only evidence for that claim is yourself or one of your minion puppets coming along with the old "I don’t agree with TV’s suspect… but…." That very old chestnut.

Let me explain something to you once again because you obviously think some really outrageous things here.

1. You are in no position what-so-ever to lecture anyone, anywhere, about POI work because your own website and your own POI do exactly the very thing you are hypocritically telling off other people for doing. None of your little wanna-be TV minions are in a position to do it either. There is only one type of individual who could ever possibly be in a position to do that and it is not you, so get over yourselves. The individual who can do this will be a legit Zodiac detective in an official capacity with the case. THEY HAVE NOT DONE THIS. Do you comprehend this? If not then go to 2.

2. WATERSON. Your own POI work on Waterson destroys any platform you or your minions have to tell me I shouldn’t do work on my POI, period. You based all that Waterson research on some points such as his lips look like the composite. He was airforce. He was in the very general area. That’s it. That’s all it took for you to be into Waterson for a good year. Not to mention all that even though you reject the composite because it doesn’t look remotely like Gyke. So you can go take a hike trying to tell me I don’t have a valid POI because what I have done is Waterson on steroids. If this doesn’t sink in then go to number three.

3. I will go through the hell you have put me through for 18 months or more because there is only one thing I care about. Getting justice for the kids families he murdered. He threw them down an embankment still alive in the dead of night. Okay so we have to accept he is the Santa Rosa Hitchiker Murderer, but as the Zodiac he killed teenagers Faraday & Jenson. You can’t stop anyone ever with that goal orientation for justice. After 18 months maybe you need another 18 more before you get you are in no position to stop my research which has been ongoing.

If my POI was nothing and if the work I am doing was nothing then why are you so addicted to cyberstalking nothing? If you think I am a basket case then all you came across like is someone who enjoys prodding sick people with a stick. In fact the very size of the cyberstalking campaign you have engaged in with your minions tell me one thing very very very clearly. I have something you consider extremely destabilizing to everything you have worked on. Otherwise you wouldn’t be going to such extremes now would you? If you were going to these extremes over nothing then that would be just flat out stupid wouldn’t it? Your behavior is all the evidence I need that the work I am doing is deeply concerning to you and it has absolutely zero to do with your obviously fake tears for bringing POIs into the picture.

1) I’ve never told anyone not to do "poi work." What I’ve done is comment on your "poi work" and I shall continue to comment whenever I please. You don’t like my comments because they are negative, but that’s only because your "poi work" is nonsense.

2) You clearly know jack about Waterson. Why am I not surprised? Among other things, the man was accused of attempted kidnapping a block from where Lass disappeared. That alone is far more substantial than you pretending an orange mask is red. And I have no idea what you are ranting about regarding the composite, I think Gaikowski fits quite nicely.

3) I can’t stop your "research" even if I wanted to, which I don’t. But I will comment on it whenever I wish. Maybe take a Xanax? By the way, what you do isn’t "research."

If my POI was nothing and if the work I am doing was nothing then why are you so addicted to cyberstalking nothing?

If Karen doesn’t want people to discuss Karen’s "research," then Karen shouldn’t post her "research" online in discussion forums. However, if Karen chooses to share her "research" in such a way, I am going to comment whenever I please.

Perhaps the Internet isn’t for Karen?