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I have a question about the night of the Lake Herman Road murders. There is a husband and wife who are driving pass the murder scene that night to check the pipes.
Police interview them, they are in the police report. They say after they came back past the scene there was a young man standing there with a long pistol pointed out and down to the ground. Did anyone determine if in fact this young man brandishing the gun was one of the raccoon hunters?

 
Posted : December 10, 2013 8:56 pm
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I’m reading through the police report now. as far as I can tell it was. On page 22 at the top it states that the hunters trapped and shot a raccoon their dogs had tracked to an oak tree. The raccoon was shot with a long barreled .22 revolver which, it’s hard to read, but seems to say was tested against the shell casings from the scene and eliminated as the weapon.


I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.

 
Posted : December 10, 2013 9:47 pm
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Yes. It was one of them.


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : December 10, 2013 10:53 pm
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Didn’t the original police report mention initially that a spent rifle casing was found at the scene and that the speculation was that the first shot had been taken from a distance away and to the rear of the rambler, before this scenario was dropped? If it weren’t in the official report, then it was in one of the newspapers in their initial report of the crime and scene?

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Posted : December 10, 2013 11:47 pm
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Yes, it was the younger of the 2 raccoon hunters. They compared shell casings from the weapon to the ones at the crime scene and they didn’t match. They also ran ballistics on a semi-automatic rifle of his. Obviously, again there was no match. Weird thing I can’t figure out is they (cops) read this particular gentleman his rights, but not the older hunter he was with.

I’m wondering if the cops thought it possible that he could drop off the older hunter and return to the scene to commit the crime. Not sure exactly where Gassers ranch was on Good Year road, but it would have to be very close by. Even then I don’t think that he had enough time.

I’ve been working on a timeline for the LHR incident the last few days, so most of this is fresh on my mind. I’ll try to post my findings on the timeline (with accompanying map) by this weekend. I’m still trying to pinpoint the location of Gasser’s (older hunter) ranch and a few other locations. Any help is welcomed.

 
Posted : December 11, 2013 3:13 am
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I it odd the older gentleman said they removed his guns because of robberies in the area. Seems like all the more reasons to keep your guns close by.


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : December 11, 2013 3:32 am
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It wasn’t the older hunter that made that statement, it was the younger one. It was during his second interview. Gasser was only in on the first. I’m not really sure what he contributed in that first interview. Maybe he just sat there like a bump on a log.

 
Posted : December 11, 2013 3:54 am
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It wasn’t the older hunter that made that statement, it was the younger one. It was during his second interview. Gasser was only in on the first. I’m not really sure what he contributed in that first interview. Maybe he just sat there like a bump on a log.

Yes Buckwheat. You are correct. http://www.zodiackiller.com/LHRPR25.html


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : December 11, 2013 4:37 am
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I it odd the older gentleman said they removed his guns because of robberies in the area. Seems like all the more reasons to keep your guns close by.

Yeah, it’s an odd thing.

Maybe the ranch wasn’t Gasser’s primary residence and he didn’t like taking his guns back and forth? If that’s the case, is he connected to Napa? Is that how he knows the Connely guy? Just thinking out loud.

 
Posted : December 11, 2013 5:02 am
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Hey Buckwheat, while you are putting together the LHR timeline, can you put together a timeline on the sightings and descriptions
of the so called Impala that night.

 
Posted : December 19, 2013 7:56 am
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Hey Buckwheat, while you are putting together the LHR timeline, can you put together a timeline on the sightings and descriptions
of the so called Impala that night.

That’s a good point. Worth looking at.

There is a kid in the report that was driving with his older college aged friend, that was enrolled in SOlano County college, that passed a light blue or white chevy Impala possibly as they turned onto LHR. I am wondering about the blue cars,just as much as I am interested in the white cars. Wonderinf if under the right lighting, a light blue car could appear to be white? Remember the girls at the lake, the mystery guy they saw and that the sketch was based on, was driving a light blue car, and the car that supposedly chased Bill Crow was a light colored car,maybe a chevy

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Posted : December 19, 2013 3:46 pm
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Hey Buckwheat, while you are putting together the LHR timeline, can you put together a timeline on the sightings and descriptions
of the so called Impala that night.

That’s a good point. Worth looking at.

There is a kid in the report that was driving with his older college aged friend, that was enrolled in SOlano County college, that passed a light blue or white chevy Impala possibly as they turned onto LHR. I am wondering about the blue cars,just as much as I am interested in the white cars. Wonderinf if under the right lighting, a light blue car could appear to be white? Remember the girls at the lake, the mystery guy they saw and that the sketch was based on, was driving a light blue car, and the car that supposedly chased Bill Crow was a light colored car,maybe a chevy

I’ve read the reports so forgive me for asking and not knowing but what car were they driving?


I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.

 
Posted : December 19, 2013 4:00 pm
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Hey Buckwheat, while you are putting together the LHR timeline, can you put together a timeline on the sightings and descriptions
of the so called Impala that night.

Yes, ma’am. The only two mentions of the white impala in the police reports are from the raccoon hunters (9:00 pm) and Bingo the sheep herder (10:00 pm). One or both are wrong on the time that they gave. More on that later.

 
Posted : December 19, 2013 5:37 pm
BuckwheatFlowers
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Hey Buckwheat, while you are putting together the LHR timeline, can you put together a timeline on the sightings and descriptions
of the so called Impala that night.

That’s a good point. Worth looking at.

There is a kid in the report that was driving with his older college aged friend, that was enrolled in SOlano County college, that passed a light blue or white chevy Impala possibly as they turned onto LHR. I am wondering about the blue cars,just as much as I am interested in the white cars. Wonderinf if under the right lighting, a light blue car could appear to be white? Remember the girls at the lake, the mystery guy they saw and that the sketch was based on, was driving a light blue car, and the car that supposedly chased Bill Crow was a light colored car,maybe a chevy

I’ve read the reports so forgive me for asking and not knowing but what car were they driving?

Police report doesn’t state what kind of car the witness was travelling in. Witness stated that he saw a blue, hard top, Olds 88(don) and a blue ’63 impala with two people in it. My question on this is, what does (don) mean? Is that a police officer named Don that was driving the Olds 88? Timeline would seem to indicate that one of those two vehicles was the vehicle that Helen Axe was in (speculation only).

Here is a list of vehicles on LHR that night…

’61 Rambler Station Wagon (Faraday/Jensen)
’59 red Chevy truck with side boards. (Raccoon Hunters)
’67 gold Pontiac Grand Prix. (Yours)
Truck (Bingo)
’59 or ’60 White 4-door Impala (?)
Blue Valiant (’68 police report) or White Chevy(’04 version) witnessed by Crow. (?)
Dark car at entrance to Humble Oil witnessed by Peggy Your. (?) – technically not witnessed on LHR
Axe’s vehicle
James Owens’ vehicle
Car Owens passed on LHR (no id listed on car) (?)
Crow’s vehicle
Medeiros vehicle
Blue Olds 88 (don) (?)
’63 Blue Impala with 2 people in it (?)
Dark car, lacking in chrome. Not large not compact. Witnessed at crime scene by James Owen.

(Edited for accuracy)

 
Posted : December 19, 2013 5:58 pm
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I dropped the ball by not asking Owen what type of car he was driving that night, and what color,etc it was :|

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Posted : December 19, 2013 7:56 pm
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