Admin, Subject: Donna Lass Christmas Card Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:50 pm
After she vanished, the sister of possible Zodiac victim Donna Lass received a cold & insensitive Christmas card. It is possibly from Zodiac. The envelope contained writing that was very similar to writing in the 1966 Riverside case of Cheri jo Bates (See the Bates thread)
http://www.thezodiacmansonconnection.co … _card.html
morf13, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:51 am
Some opinions please!!!!!!!
I am looking at a POI in the Z case. I think he may have wrote the Lass Xmas card. Opinions would help. I have isolated the lower case "n" from the name of Donna’s sister, PILKEN below.
Next is a sample of my POI’s lower case "n".
I wish that I had better quality or higher resolution on these.
Any opinions???
I think the "n" in the lass letter angles up a bit more than the POI writing below it which goes out a little more to the side. But besdes that, I think it’s pretty close. And of course if Z did send that christmas card with his own cursive, I am sure he would alter the writing a bit…and the easiest letter to alter would be the letter on the end of the word….like in the word PILKEN …by simply changing the way he finished it off.
Next, I am showing the "en" from the end of the name PILKEN.
Followed by the letters "en" as written by my POI:
Lastly, copmpare the lower case "e" from the Riverside envelope to the letter "e" from my POI:
Riverside "e":
My POI’s "e":
Nin, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:42 am
Single letter comparison is not reliable, one has to compare the entire package including rhythm, pattern, form, movement, stroke etc. of a given handwriring sample. The more text the better.
Do you have more complete handwriting you can share?
-Nin
morf13, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:37 am
Single letter comparison is not reliable, one has to compare the entire package including rhythm, pattern, form, movement, stroke etc. of a given handwriring sample. The more text the better.
Do you have more complete handwriting you can share?
-Nin
I have about a dozen signatures, and a couple samples of the cursive word "TRUSTEE". Unfortunately, I cant share the signatures obviously.
I hope to get samples of his printing.
I agree, more complete writing would make it easier to compare the two more accurately, but there are definitely some similarities in letter formation, and design.
, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:39 pm
…..
Next, I am showing the "en" from the end of the name PILKEN.
It’s an "R" morf, not an "N" …. i.e. "Pilker"
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2000/no … ac-killer/
http://www.zodiackiller.com/VTHArticle.html
morf13, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:58 pm
…..
Next, I am showing the "en" from the end of the name PILKEN.It’s an "R" morf, not an "N" …. i.e. "Pilker"
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2000/no … ac-killer/
http://www.zodiackiller.com/VTHArticle.html
Thanks for that article Rufus. I always thought it was PILKER too. Then somebody "corrected" me and said it was PILKEN.
Now I can look at his "r" a bit more too.
morf13, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:15 pm
Later, I will also post the capital "A" as written by my POI. It is perhaps closest of all to the "A" in the word AIRMAIL as seen on the xmas card
morf13, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:41 pm
I have some great new cursive samples from my POI for comparison to the Lass card. Way more similarities than differences in my opinion. I will post them here by the weekend. Hope to hear some feedback 
bruce3, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:28 pm
I agree that one must examine all factors for comparison.Example of single observation is the upper case M in Mary.On my site I compare BD’s cap M and it is totally indentical!See my site for writing compares and info on the card we did in the beginning.
http://www.thezodiacmansonconnection.com
morf13, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:45 pm
The writing is interesting, and apparently, the card is sitting in a SFPD evidence locker some place. I personally think the writer (most likely Z) altered some aspects of his cursive writing on the card. The easiest part to fake are the start of a letter and the end of a letter….such as adding little tails or loops. But I think the center of the letters will be the same. I want to hire a writing expert as I think I have samples writing that is pretty close, and the person that wrote it can be placed in VALLEJO with 100% certainty during the Z crimes!
tahoe27, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Tue Apr 06, 2010 2:30 pm
I don’t know. The last fiasco (a lady who was a former poster at Tom’s site) just proves people do weird shit.
Without getting so much into it, this lady sent another card filled with weird stuff, etc. It caused confusion and questions whether this could be Zodiac. We figured out who it was pretty quick…thanks to Howard posting it, an observation by Tracers, which led me to know who she was (as a poster she had pm’d me and I recognized her because of something she had said) and yarbchris found who she actually was.
Howard tracked her down, as she longer posted and she basically apologized. Why not use her real name? She sent a bunch of oddball stuff that would have scared anybody.
People do weird shit. And although there was no internet back then, people could find out Mary’s info.
Could it be Zodiac? Sure. Could it not be Zodiac, but another guy who killed her? Sure. Could it be from some weirdo? Sure. Doesn’t hurt to compare writing though. 
bruce3, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Tue Apr 06, 2010 2:54 pm
morf,
The FBI has it.I warned Mary it was a black hole she was dealing with.I told her not to give them the original card/envelope.They are always going to return something, but never do.
morf13, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:28 pm
morf,
The FBI has it.I warned Mary it was a black hole she was dealing with.I told her not to give them the original card/envelope.They are always going to return something, but never do.
See, I read an article that said the Lass Xmas card was given to SFPD, and that they still have it.
bruce3, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Tue May 25, 2010 7:19 pm
There is no attribution as to where the Lass Christmas card came from.Why? This is the professional thing to do. I see this being done all the time and we contact them. It was a sweat to finally get copies. It took some time. Guess it’s we Americans!
Mary’s last name is not spelled Pilken-it is Pilker. FYI
morf13, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Tue May 25, 2010 7:35 pm
There is no attribution as to where the Lass Christmas card came from.Why? This is the professional thing to do. I see this being done all the time and we contact them. It was a sweat to finally get copies. It took some time. Guess it’s we Americans!
Mary’s last name is not spelled Pilken-it is Pilker. FYI
Yes, I accidentally spelled that wrong. I spoke with her Mary’s son, and they feel confident of who was responsible for Donna vanishing.
bruce3, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Tue May 25, 2010 8:50 pm
Still no attribution!
They believe it was ol’ Larry Kane.They have been under the influence of the late Harvey Hines. I do understand.They have listened to Harvey over the years.
Harvey called me one time at work and told me not to talk to Kathleen Johns anymore! She was his witness so stay away! He had ‘solved the Z case he said -it was not the mystery the police have made it out to be,’etc.,etc. Quite the egotist -control freak.
A real rough tough guy.Yak.
Many believe Larry was one of the worst suspects ever in the Z case.
morf13, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Tue May 25, 2010 9:12 pm
Still no attribution!
They believe it was ol’ Larry Kane.They have been under the influence of the late Harvey Hines. I do understand.They have listened to Harvey over the years.
Harvey called me one time at work and told me not to talk to Kathleen Johns anymore! She was his witness so stay away! He had ‘solved the Z case he said -it was not the mystery the police have made it out to be,’etc.,etc. Quite the egotist -control freak.
A real rough tough guy.Yak.Many believe Larry was one of the worst suspects ever in the Z case.
Yes, I agree, I dont think he was a good Zodiac suspect.
MAZZY, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Wed May 26, 2010 2:33 am
I just cropped the word "of" from the X-mas card and posted the word of from my POI
morf13, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:33 am
Can anyone make out the postmark on the Lass xmas card envelope?
bentley, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:45 am
I can’t, not using the image on page 1…
morf13, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:51 am
I can’t, not using the image on page 1…
Howard may have better quality images.
AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:24 pm
morf13, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:11 pm
Just double checking, but didnt this Lass xmas card get mailed from Pleasanton? At least I think it was Alameda County.I think I remember reading that. If thats true, and we know Z mailed a letter from there before, then I have trouble believing that this was just a card of sympathy ,ailed from someone who felt sorry for Lass’s family.
bruce3, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:00 pm
Postmark:
12/27/74- Halloween card mailed 27th FYI
940 Alameda County. The Z 1/29/74 note was mailed from 940.
SF had 940 from May 73-74 and part of 75.
May 8 74 Citizen letter from Alameda County too.
Hope this helps…
Letter is overposted.After Grange no st/ln or dr listed…mailed two days late for Christmas.
Air Mail as found on the 3/13/71 Z envelope.
Underlined as with some Z underlinings…no zip code as with the Belli envelope missive and the Halloween envelope production. FYI
AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:16 pm
So where was the card to Lass sister mailed from?
bruce3, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:22 pm
I gave all data on post mark…also says US Postal Service CA
SF zip was 94103 in ’73…940 was used for S.F..but this like the 1/29/74 was probably an adjacent county south of SF. Either way right on with both Z missives from 940.
Donna’s sister thinks it came from S.F.940 was used in SF 73-4 and a part of 1975.
She had taken the original to her local postmaster and he gave her all info he could find on the PM.
AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:27 pm
Postmark on card to Lass sister is "940 Alameda County"?
morf13, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:01 pm
Postmark on card to Lass sister is "940 Alameda County"?
Yes.
By the way, I heard mixed things about where the xmas card is now. I heard it was with the FBI and also that it was with SFPD. I am pretty sure Mary doesnt have it, is that correct?
AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:07 pm
What is in Alameda County? Berkeley?
morf13, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:10 pm
What is in Alameda County? Berkeley?
Yes, Berkeley, Pleasanton, Livermore, etc, i think it butts up against Modesto as well.
AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:14 pm
Interesting.
Zodiac LA Times letter mailed from Pleasanton?
The card to Lass sister was sent December 1975? Do we know the day?
morf13, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:34 am
After she vanished, the sister of possible Zodiac victim Donna Lass received a cold & insensitive Christmas card. It is possibly from Zodiac. The envelope contained writing that was very similar to writing in the 1966 Riverside case of Cheri jo Bates (See the Bates thread)
http://www.thezodiacmansonconnection.co … _card.html
Anybody know what happened to this card? Last I remember reading, it was taken by the SFPD from Donna’s siter, then turned over to the FBI possibly, and she has not seen it again. I think it is quite possibly from Z. Double postage and mailed from the same Alameda area that Z mailed many of his letters from. Reminds me of the cruel taunting letter that Cheri Jo’s father received. Killing somebody in the first place is wrong, but then reaching out to their family members is just plain twisted.
Nachtsider, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:34 pm
Why would Zodiac start writing in cursive, though? I’m also pretty sure that had Zodiac prepared the card, he would’ve introduced himself as the Zodiac.
AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:45 pm
Well we have the 1974 letters from a citizen a friend the red phantom and yours truly FK or whatever that may be.
zodio, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:55 pm
And the Eureka card.
bruce3, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:54 pm
At this point Donna’s sister still does not have this card.I her her at least twice not to give it to the FBI as it would go into a black hole.
morf13, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:31 am
Why would Zodiac start writing in cursive, though? I’m also pretty sure that had Zodiac prepared the card, he would’ve introduced himself as the Zodiac.
Maybe he wanted to slip it in to cause pain without anybody identifying it as being from him. Also, as AK said, he didnt call himself Z in the Citizen or Red Phantom letters either. But mailed from the Livermore area with double postage, I will bet that it really is likely from Z.
bruce3, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:39 pm
http://www.thezodiacmansonconnection.co … iting.html
Note upper case M at bottom of our site section on writing styles. Both upward loops on upper case M’s -one from BD and one from the ’74 Christmas card -are identical! So single characters don’t give us a clear picture of handwriting for purposes of seroius comparisons. Our ‘samples’ are just that. Those that have their own Z suspects have to agree single sets are not positive ID’s or they would have to accept our single character comparisons of both sets being from Z and this certainly is not the case, of course.
Nachtsider, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:47 pm
Well we have the 1974 letters from a citizen a friend the red phantom and yours truly FK or whatever that may be.
So this card was from the 1974 period, then? Honest question here; I’m not quite sure about the dates. If it came from 1974 or after, I might be inclined to relent on the whole ‘Zodiac introducing himself as Zodiac’ thing, but then again, with one exception, none of those communications where Zodiac did not introduce himself as such were sent in connection with murders that happened at the time.
morf13, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:25 am
Well we have the 1974 letters from a citizen a friend the red phantom and yours truly FK or whatever that may be.
So this card was from the 1974 period, then? Honest question here; I’m not quite sure about the dates. If it came from 1974 or after, I might be inclined to relent on the whole ‘Zodiac introducing himself as Zodiac’ thing, but then again, with one exception, none of those communications where Zodiac did not introduce himself as such were sent in connection with murders that happened at the time.
Not really sure what to think, but as far as the Lass xmas card being from Z, I am inclined to believe it since it was mailed from the area where he mailed many of his letters, and it had double postage just like Z. If it was not from Z, then I think it was somebody trying to immitate him,which is f*&%@d up in a totally different way.
bentley, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:50 am
So this card was from the 1974 period, then? Honest question here; I’m not quite sure about the dates. .
12/27/74 according to Howard Davis’ site. Also states the stamps are 10¢ each and airmail was 11¢. Not uncommon at all to use over postage in those situations.
tahoe27, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:48 am
So this card was from the 1974 period, then? Honest question here; I’m not quite sure about the dates. .
12/27/74 according to Howard Davis’ site. Also states the stamps are 10¢ each and airmail was 11¢. Not uncommon at all to use over postage in those situations.
As far as I can tell, this goes for the 3 "Bates had to die" letters as well. 4 cent stamps were used. One wouldn’t have sufficed.
bruce3, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:13 pm
morph,
In reviewing this thread I asked you a few times ‘why no attribution’ for the ’74 Lass card as we were the ones who got it from Mary first and published it on my site at :thezodiacmansonconnection.com,and you just posted it as though you discovered it(you have done this with other docs of mine in the past i find them on other sites) ;and on top of that you ignored me by talking about something else ! Why? This is very unfair,and unprofessional to say the least. This is something MB would do!
AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:49 pm
Morf and all mods here strive to give proper credit and links. If he or anyone made an oversight I am sure it will be corrected. Morf is in NJ dealing with hurricaine so he may or may not be able to respond he may not even have power. I do appreciate the great work you have done and sharing it with others as Morf Zam and I share FOIA docs with all Z sites including yours.
morf13, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:31 pm
Howard, not sure what you are talking about. I NEVER claimed that I discovered the lass Xmas card. So, please explain what you are talking about. I have posted links to your site and credited you for stuff before. Why the hostility? I noticed that in a few of your recent posts
traveller1st, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:59 am
After she vanished, the sister of possible Zodiac victim Donna Lass received a cold & insensitive Christmas card. It is possibly from Zodiac. The envelope contained writing that was very similar to writing in the 1966 Riverside case of Cheri jo Bates (See the Bates thread)
http://www.thezodiacmansonconnection.co … _card.html
Anybody know what happened to this card? Last I remember reading, it was taken by the SFPD from Donna’s siter, then turned over to the FBI possibly, and she has not seen it again. I think it is quite possibly from Z. Double postage and mailed from the same Alameda area that Z mailed many of his letters from. Reminds me of the cruel taunting letter that Cheri Jo’s father received. Killing somebody in the first place is wrong, but then reaching out to their family members is just plain twisted.
This is the first time, I think, that I’ve seen the front of that card. What are we looking at? a pine tree framed by other pine trees – peek through the pines?
morf13, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:12 am
Yes trav…. This card was sent to the sister of lass and was postmarked alameda county. The card makes you peek thru the pines, doesn’t it? Add the double postage and taunting tone of the message, and its pretty interesting. Trav, I never thought About this, but how does the writing compare to Fred’s ?
traveller1st, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:14 am
Yes trav…. This card was sent to the sister of lass and was postmarked alameda county. The card makes you peek thru the pines, doesn’t it? Add the double postage and taunting tone of the message, and its pretty interesting. Trav, I never thought About this, but how does the writing compare to Fred’s ?
Off the top of my head and at a glance it doesn’t except….maybe….the D in Donna. Not comparable to a D but to one of Fred’s O’s and one of Z’s ampersands from the bus bomb letter.
tahoe27, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:04 pm
I say it’s just another weirdo who thinks in some way that was a tribute to Donna…who lived in Lake Tahoe in the pine trees and is now, with her assumed death, Guardian of the pines.
Double postage? Was one stamp not enough? I’d have to check the stamps I suppose.
People do this sort of thing. It happened to Mary again in 2007:
http://zodiackiller.21.forumer.com/view … 67&start=0 zk.com
zodio, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:45 pm
South Dakota is interesting, Gaik maybe?
onewhoknows, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:23 pm
Please see below, not in my book "Tit Willow", comparison of Peter Plante’s cursive handwriting
to the Donna Lass Christmas card
zodio, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:11 pm
From the news article Seagull posted it had Mary’s name and Sioux Falls but whoever sent the card had even more detailed info.
Quicktrader, Subject: Re: Donna Lass Christmas Card Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:05 am
After she vanished, the sister of possible Zodiac victim Donna Lass received a cold & insensitive Christmas card. It is possibly from Zodiac. The envelope contained writing that was very similar to writing in the 1966 Riverside case of Cheri jo Bates (See the Bates thread)
http://www.thezodiacmansonconnection.co … _card.html
Anybody know what happened to this card? Last I remember reading, it was taken by the SFPD from Donna’s siter, then turned over to the FBI possibly, and she has not seen it again. I think it is quite possibly from Z. Double postage and mailed from the same Alameda area that Z mailed many of his letters from. Reminds me of the cruel taunting letter that Cheri Jo’s father received. Killing somebody in the first place is wrong, but then reaching out to their family members is just plain twisted.
This is the first time, I think, that I’ve seen the front of that card. What are we looking at? a pine tree framed by other pine trees – peek through the pines?
It reminds me somehow Bruce Davis’ signature from 07.11.1981…the M and the D seem to be very similar but not identical.
http://www.thezodiacmansonconnection.co … iting.html
QT
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Thanks for bringing this over Trav. Thought this thread deserved a bump with all the recent attention Donna’s case is getting. This is more interesting than before in my opinion,since the discovery of a relative of Donna was living in Vallejo.Maybe he had access to Mary Pilker’s mailing address? Up until now, people assumed that if Z mailed this xmas card,he simply found her info in a newspaper.
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This probably means nothing but aren’t the trees on the front of the Christmas card spruce instead of pine? Maybe not??? 
When in doubt, don’t.
Can we assume that, just as with the crank calls to Dean Ferrin and Dean’s Family an hour or so after Darlene had been shot dead, that if Zodiac sent this card to Donna’s sister, he knew Donna and therefore knew she had a sister and what her address was? Or was Donna’s sisters name, along with her address details, published at or around the time Donna disappeared?
"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.
Can we assume that, just as with the crank calls to Dean Ferrin and Dean’s Family an hour or so after Darlene had been shot dead, that if Zodiac sent this card to Donna’s sister, he knew Donna and therefore knew she had a sister and what her address was? Or was Donna’s sisters name, along with her address details, published at or around the time Donna disappeared?
That would be a lot of assuming though.
What about this card makes it seem it’s from "Zodiac"?
Double postage? Required with those stamps.
"Air Mail"? Many people wrote that on letters.
Writing? No way.
–While her name and the town she lived in were in the paper, her exact mailing address was not. Mailing addresses were available back then, just not as easy to find out like it is today. Or, someone knew Mary, but I think they would have signed their name…but, people do strange things.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
Can we assume that, just as with the crank calls to Dean Ferrin and Dean’s Family an hour or so after Darlene had been shot dead, that if Zodiac sent this card to Donna’s sister, he knew Donna and therefore knew she had a sister and what her address was? Or was Donna’s sisters name, along with her address details, published at or around the time Donna disappeared?
*double postage
*mailed from Alameda County
*cold and insensitive
*mailed to a family member of a victim (as in the Bates case)
Seems like it could be zodiac to me. Maybe he wrote in cursive not expecting it to be linked to him. Regarding having her sister’s address, he could have got it from the paper but also possible he knew the family directly or thru Wayne Lass in Vallejo.
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I think I could believe that the person who killed Donna made the call to her employers and wrote the "peek through the pines" card. I’m also prepared to believe he wrote this card to her sister. FWIW.
I think I could believe that the person who killed Donna made the call to her employers and wrote the "peek through the pines" card. I’m also prepared to believe he wrote this card to her sister. FWIW.
Check, check, and check.
It certainly could be from the person who did this to her. Donna probably had an address book in her purse.
And the "St. Donna"…makes me feel as if he knew her. Maybe he thought she was too "good" of a girl.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
St Donna & ????????
“I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.“
Smithy your willing to accept 99% of the possibilities as being potentially true, except the one about the sender being Zodiac
To be honest, after Tahoe pointed out that "VICTIM" is pasted onto the pines card in 6 separate letters instead of one word pasted direct as I had long assumed, I really don’t know now. I still tend to lean toward Z being responsible and his not using his now trademark blue pen may be down to him not wanting there to be a definitive link made that will now leave no doubt that ‘Zodiac’ is now in S. Lake Tahoe. And he seems to have known Lass well enough to know who her boss was and who her family member’s were and where they seemed to live. If that was the case, he wouldn’t want it known, I would think, that Zodiac knew Donna Lass because if you establish that he did, he then becomes a focus of LE’s attention as an associate of Donna’s and will no doubt be spoken to regarding her disappearance.
"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.
I think I could believe that the person who killed Donna made the call to her employers and wrote the "peek through the pines" card. I’m also prepared to believe he wrote this card to her sister. FWIW.
Check, check, and check.
It certainly could be from the person who did this to her. Donna probably had an address book in her purse.
And the "St. Donna"…makes me feel as if he knew her. Maybe he thought she was too "good" of a girl.
You can’t be a saint unless your Dead. Maybe that was his way of saying Donna was dead.
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Smithy your willing to accept 99% of the possibilities as being potentially true, except the one about the sender being Zodiac
To be honest, after Tahoe pointed out that "VICTIM" is pasted onto the pines card in 6 separate letters instead of one word pasted direct as I had long assumed, I really don’t know now. I still tend to lean toward Z being responsible and his not using his now trademark blue pen may be down to him not wanting there to be a definitive link made that will now leave no doubt that ‘Zodiac’ is now in S. Lake Tahoe. And he seems to have known Lass well enough to know who her boss was and who her family member’s were and where they seemed to live. If that was the case, he wouldn’t want it known, I would think, that Zodiac knew Donna Lass because if you establish that he did, he then becomes a focus of LE’s attention as an associate of Donna’s and will no doubt be spoken to regarding her disappearance.
All good points.
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I mean I suppose Donna’s sister’s name appeared in the press, but not aware weather her address did also. But then even if that were how he got Donna’s sister’s address, how would he know who Donna worked for, and who to ask for when he rang to say she’s had a family emergency and also know exactly who she was renting from and who the landlord was?
I don’t know, is it really likely that if this was a stranger abduction and murder that the offender would know so much about Donna? I don’t think it is. He seem to be at the very least acquainted with Donna to the point where he was aware of her basic situation, ie, landlord, job and boss etc.
"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.
A couple questions:
-How strongly do you all feel that Donna Lass was murdered?
-And what do you see as the strongest evidence (if any)?
Lately I have been toying with the notion that Donna might have voluntarily disappeared for reasons that I can only speculate about. I can imagine reasons that might be quite plausible for that time why a good upstanding young woman might disappear of her own accord, with or without the involvement of others.
It doesn’t necessarily matter to me if my imaginary reasons are correct, only that the availability of plausible alternatives leads me to question whether the assumption that Donna Lass was murdered has any sounder basis than the possible alternatives.
And that leads me to a new way of seeing the St. Donna card. When I think about the the card in that light, I tend not to see the card as sinister nor even as "cold and insensitive"–well, perhaps a bit insensitive, but the kind of insensitivity that arises when one does rash, clumsy things while trying to reach out to others at the same time as trying to maintain one’s secrets, having given too little thought to the effects of our actions on others.
From that perspective, I wonder if the card was more of a very clumsy, yet timid way to reach out to a beloved sibling, by somebody who feels they can’t ever go back, and can’t ever let their truth be known.
When I read the card, looking at it through the lens of a possible runaway Donna Lass–I just see a card that says "Best Wishes", and provides an unusual reference to the (presumed) sender’s name, and a second reference that could mean a whole host of things.
Without the assumption of murder, I don’t see "St Donna" or "Guardian of the Pines" necessarily having a particularly threatening meaning.
Anyway, I make no claims about this. I am not abandoning the proposition that Donna Lass was murdered. I am just sharing a few thoughts about a possible alternate perspective, for whatever it might be worth.
Many thanks,
G
