Your assessment of Manalli’s movements is generally correct though I haven’t gotten past Sept 1974 yet and I still need to fine tune. I want to go back over the Curley letters and use dates from those to get a complete picture. As you know Fred did not date those very well and they need to be compared to Curley’s replies which are dated.

As it stands now Manalli’s whereabouts dovetail nicely with the gaps time wise in Zodiac’s letters.

Your assessment of Manalli’s movements is generally correct though I haven’t gotten past Sept 1974 yet and I still need to fine tune. I want to go back over the Curley letters and use dates from those to get a complete picture. As you know Fred did not date those very well and they need to be compared to Curley’s replies which are dated.

As it stands now Manalli’s whereabouts dovetail nicely with the gaps time wise in Zodiac’s letters.

Look forward to your completed findings

I agree, both Zodiac & Manalli, had some negative feeling towards THE EXORCIST. Manalli, jealous maybe of the book? I am not a big book reader, but my Mom has read thousands of them, and she said that book was so scary, and well written, she was afraid to turn the page, but couldnt stop herself. Maybe Manalli called it a joke but was jealous? Than, (If Manalli was Z),the slap in the Face, it gets made into a hit film, and he cant even get a book published, that might stir up some bad feelings worth of mentioning in a Zodiac letter.

To my knowledge, Manalli & Donald Bujok are the only two suspects in the Z case to ever mention the Exorcist, or maybe Gaik and the Good Times did,I cant remember

My POI officially made fun of the THE EXORCIST movie a few months after the Zodiac´s Exorcist letter, and he can also, in a minor way, be connected to the actual making of the movie.

Can´t say anymore than that, hope you understand…

I agree, both Zodiac & Manalli, had some negative feeling towards THE EXORCIST. Manalli, jealous maybe of the book? I am not a big book reader, but my Mom has read thousands of them, and she said that book was so scary, and well written, she was afraid to turn the page, but couldnt stop herself. Maybe Manalli called it a joke but was jealous? Than, (If Manalli was Z),the slap in the Face, it gets made into a hit film, and he cant even get a book published, that might stir up some bad feelings worth of mentioning in a Zodiac letter.

To my knowledge, Manalli & Donald Bujok are the only two suspects in the Z case to ever mention the Exorcist, or maybe Gaik and the Good Times did,I cant remember

My POI officially made fun of the THE EXORCIST movie a few months after the Zodiac´s Exorcist letter, and he can also, in a minor way, be connected to the actual making of the movie.

Can´t say anymore than that, hope you understand…

Would love to hear more if you can ever share it

I was showing my mate the recent Manalli findings and he pointed out something about the Exorcist coincidence. Look at how both Manalli and Zodiac write the words. Both capitalized and in quotes. I know that’s how it’s supposed to be written but what does it tell us that Zodiac probably knew that? Oh and I’ve just realised that in both instances they are immediately preceded by the word ‘think’

Good stuff Trav, waiting to see what else you find.

Hey Trav, anything interesting yet with the new Manalli stuff, or are you still checking?

Hey Trav, anything interesting yet with the new Manalli stuff, or are you still checking?

Nah, no more obvious things. The handwriting is pretty much of a muchness as in it’s nothing we haven’t already seen but I am looking at and considering a few things. Other that than, just reading through it and re reading it etc etc.

One of the things that struck me in these was the clarification, or at least gaining some more info on Manalli’s level of artistic skill. One thing that’s becoming apparent, I think is that he was, at the very least creative on a few different levels. There’s his profession and hobby on the literary plane, you have the painting and now the illustrating on the drawing plane and the practical / hands on with the furniture restoring.

I had wondered about his ‘set of tools’ regarding this aspect. In these recent letters he mentions about a children’s book and offers to do the illustrations himself but also happy for someone else to do it. On one hand I think he must have had a reasonable ability in this area to offer. Now of course he could be deluded as to his ability hence the get out clause. Still, given how protective he is over his writing I would guess he probably capable and the get out clause may just have because he was unpracticed in the subject matter? Who knows. Either way he liked to have his finger in many pies it seems, pick n mix, which is in keeping with my impression of Z.

I also find the comment about visiting a few of his favourite haunts intriguing. Down we have any previous provenance regarding Manalli and Tahoe. Even if, for what ever reason, we can place him near there? My thinking is ok, we might only have a snapshot of this guy’s movements but I would have expected to see something to explain how he comes to have favourite haunts in Tahoe.

We do have a provenance for Lake Tahoe. It is in his letters to Curley where he says he and his wife spent at least one season if not two as fire spotters there, such as he did in Mendocino County for about three seasons. I can dig those letters out but I really don’t have time to do it today.

I do not know where the fire spotting lookouts would have been up at the lake but perhaps Tahoe27 might know.

We do have a provenance for Lake Tahoe. It is in his letters to Curley where he says he and his wife spent at least one season if not two as fire spotters there, such as he did in Mendocino County for about three seasons. I can dig those letters out but I really don’t have time to do it today.

I do not know where the fire spotting lookouts would have been up at the lake but perhaps Tahoe27 might know.

I suspected as much, re the firespotting. No need to dig them out just good to know. Thank you.

Manalli mentioned GEORGE JACKSON in his latest batch of letters,the charismatic but militant San Quentin inmate who had gained international fame for his best-selling prison classic, "Soledad Brother." He was involved in the black power movement. He was killed. Manalli didn’t elaborate much about him, merely mentioned him in a letter. Manalli taught at that prison.

Mary Alice Willey became a strident devotee of George Jackson, and she began associating with members of the Black Liberation Army, a violent offshoot of the Black Panthers that would become implicated in the Aug. 29, 1971, killing of a police officer at San Francisco’s Ingleside Station. There is reason to believe that Mary Alice may have played a role in the attack and the slaying of Sgt. John V. Young.

But less than two weeks after the attack on Ingleside Station, Mary Alice disappeared, never to be heard from again.Thirty-seven years would pass before an investigator with the Stanislaus County Sheriff’s Department would determine that an unidentified body found floating in a canal near Modesto on Sept. 11, 1971, was Mary Alice. She had been stabbed 65 times. Ten of the wounds were fatal, the rest defensive. Her body had been buried in the Patterson District Cemetery. Atop her grave was a beige stone that said, simply, "Jane Doe."

This location was very close to the spot where Johns was attacked. This just happened to catch my attention, and there is another crime that happened, a woman that was dumped off of Maze/Maize Rd in that area. In her case, a witness had seen a car travelling down from the San Fran area, transporting what appeared to be a dead body in their car. This apparently was the body of the lady dumped on maze rd.I will see if I can dig this info back up,I think its at the old forum.

Some people think that Willey was killed by the Black Militants she was helping, but it seems odd that they would stab her so many times, and if they wanted to execute her,seems like they would simply shoot her in the head. 65 stabs seems like a frenzy, or a crime of passion.What’s most interesting, or what caught my attention, is that her ex-husband(name escapes me)moved to Atlanta, and had an association on PeachTree lane there. Peach Tree Lane is where that questioned Zodiac letter from Atlanta was addressed to.

Again,I have to re-dig all of this stuff up. May be a coincidence Manalli mentiong Jackson, and Willey getting killed and dumped in the Maze rd area of Modesto,as well as her ex-Husband winding up near Peachtree Ln in Atlanta.

If anybody recalls any of these names or info, please chime in or pm me,thanks

This is a thread at the old forum on Mary Alice Willey. The ex-husband was Andrew McGregor.

http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com … ice-willey

I did some research on Mary Alice and her supposed connection to Stg. Young’s murder. She was not the person who LE had originally thought was the lookout, it was a woman name Marilyn Buck who was ultra militant. I’m not at all sure how Mary Alice became a suspect so many years later.

From the Google search page.

Marilyn Jean Buck was an American Marxist revolutionary, convict, and feminist poet, who was imprisoned for her participation in the 1979 prison escape of Assata Shakur, the 1981 Brinks robbery and the 1983 U.S. Senate bombing.

Coincidently, I was able to find a picture of Marilyn Buck taken in the office of the San Francisco Express Times in 1968!
http://theragblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/ … l-too.html

That said, Mary Alice Willey was said to practically worship George Jackson and the militant organization he belonged to.

California, Marriage Index, 1960-1985 about Mary A Willey
Name: Mary A Willey
Age: 17
Est. Birth: abt 1949
Spouse Name: Andrew B Mcgregor
Spouse Age: 21
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1945
Date: 17 Jun 1966
Location: Orange

California, Divorce Index, 1966-1984 about Mary A Willey
Name: Mary A Willey
Spouse Name: Andrew B Mcgregor
Location: San Luis Obispo
Date: Jul 1968

Her second husband.

California, Marriage Index, 1960-1985 about Mary A Willey
Name: Mary A Willey
Age: 22
Est. Birth: abt 1949
Spouse Name: Patrick W Mcdowell
Spouse Age: 29
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1942
Date: 21 May 1971
Location: Placer

Thanks for that info Seagull, I remember some of it.

This was her ex- Husband’s tie to Atlanta:
Profit Corporation – Domestic – Information

Control No.: A901399
Status: Automated Administrative dissolution/Revocation

Entity Creation Date: 3/13/1969
Dissolve Date: 4/29/1988
Jurisdiction: GA
Principal Office Address: 300 INTERSTATE NORTH PKWY SE
ATLANTA GA 30339-2403

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Registered Agent

Agent Name: HUNTER ROBERT P JR Office Address: 300 INTERSTATE NORTH
ATLANTA GA 30339
Agent County:

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Officers

Title: CEO
Name: HUTCHINGS, DONALD W.
Address: 300 INTERSTATE N
ATLANTA GA

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Title: CFO
Name: MCGREGOR, ANDREW B.
Address: [Address Not Available]
ATLANTA GA

Also, this man was tied to this business (although AFTER the possible Atlanta Z letters)

Registered Agent

Agent Name: C T CORPORATION SYSTEM
Office Address: 1201 PEACHTREE ST NEATLANTA GA 30361
Agent County: FULTON

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Officers

Title: CEO
Name: MCGREGOR, ANDREW Address: 100 GALLERIA PKWY STE 1620
ATLANTA GA 30339

In the Atlanta Z letter section seen here- http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com … lo-it-s-me isnt the address where one letter was written to 1610 Peachtree St NE??

Not trying to get off topic from Fred Manalli, just exploring the mention by him of Jackson, and this close follower of Jackson found dead near the Johns incident.

Seagull, do you recall the case I am thinking of in which a body was found on Maize/Maze/Mase rd(unsure of spelling)after a motorist reported seeing a man coming down from San fran with a dead body in his car, but police couldnt locate him??? Ring any bells?

I do recall truck driver saying that he saw someone driving down the road with a dead body in their car but the other details you cite don’t quite match up.

The case of Wilma Louise "Mindy" Johnson is the one I am thinking about. There is a thread on her at Tom’s that I started. The link in the first post no longer works but if you scroll down a bit there is a post by Otrabrit where he copied and pasted the text of the article.

http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/topic/3 … pkC30nTmM8

I’m pretty sure I also posted it at your old forum, too, but can’t find it. San Benito County where Mindy was found is sort of near the KJ incident.

On this map Aromas, where Mindy was found is A. Patterson is B.

You were right Deb, here’s the new thread about Wilma Louise "Mindy" Johnson :
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=1188