Morf13 wrote:

Here is the story PARADISE,IT’S A NICE PLACE, by Fred manalli. I don’t see any smoking guns from manalli in the story, although we see his knowledge and further discussion of firearms, and he uses the word ‘FIDDLE’. I still think, on top of the other 45 pages of manalli stuff here, that the timing of this story is incredible. Zodiac uses the term "slaves in Paradise" only a few months before the Manalli story about Paradise is printed, which means, he likely was writing it earlier in 1969.

Traveller1st wrote:

Thanks for posting Morf.

Just glancing through it at the minute but these caught my eye. One being the variation on Paradise with the mention of Pair-O-Dice as the old name containing the "c".

The other was the phrasing in the second highlighted bit which made me think of "I’d like to report a murder – no, a double murder".

We’ve discussed some of the other pages before in respect the german revolver and basement workshops filled with wires. I found the little dialogue he has with himself regarding the conversation had about the shoe repair shop where, after been told that the shoes are sold at cost after a certain time he ponders with the words "at what cost?and sold to whom?". I just have to wonder about the implication here – what is he suggesting to the reader? The "at what cost" part I can understand, perhaps suggesting an unseen series of events that could be affected by, or already have happened, that somehow involve your shoes not being collected and ultimately sold.

The bit I’m no so sure about is the "to whom?". When coupled with "at what cost?" as it is, it suggests a cost incurred due to the shoes being sold to a certain person. There is also mention of a stitching machines as well.

I wonder if he read Frederick Marryat. Weird phrases like "fallen-crested" and other traits makes me think that.

Has anyone read "The Great Gray Mother: A Story of the Life in Prison and Out of it" by F.S. Manalli?

http://books.google.com/books/about/The … zdngEACAAJ

Has anyone read "The Great Gray Mother: A Story of the Life in Prison and Out of it" by F.S. Manalli?

http://books.google.com/books/about/The … zdngEACAAJ

Wow, that’s a good find. I don’t recall that one. I wonder if it was only recently added to google?

I can’t find any other links for it or anything. Interesting title though for sure.

Manalli taught at a prison right? I wonder what type he stuff he learned from the inmates. This book might be a good read but looks like it’s damn near impossible to find.

I can’t even find the publishing company for this book.

Fred taught at San Quentin,so perhaps, the book has to do with that but who knows. I would like to get my hands on it.

I saw another link that said something about the book being at the UC Berkeley library, but I can’t find the link now. If you type in F.S. Manalli to google, the ONLY thing that comes up is the link I posted before. That’s how I found it. Kinda weird that none of his other published work came up on that search. I will keep looking. I think this could be a more interesting read than any of his other stuff.

On the left side, I clicked on ‘find in library’ and this is where it took me…

http://www.worldcat.org/title/great-gra … /855807427

I’m going to try to email the library to see if they have it.

So the library website has a weird chat thingy….

Librarian: The library hold a copy of this book but it is for reference only http://oskicat.berkeley.edu/search~S1?/ … D&1%2C1%2C

Are you a member of the library at Berkeley?

Me: No

Librarian: advice on accessing the resources at Berkeley are here: http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/services/fo … itors.html

You could also ask your local public library, or your own academic library if you are a student, to arrange an interlibrary loan for you

I am just leaving work, so if anyone else wants to mess with this feel free. Here is the call number for the book, whatever that means: http://oskicat.berkeley.edu/search~S1?/ … ,,B/browse

Thanks I will call today about it

Thanks man! I’m gonna try to drop by the library here today to see if they have it too

Seagull….see Richard Anderson(R.A. ???) in the Manalli suspect thread

So the library website has a weird chat thingy….

Librarian: The library hold a copy of this book but it is for reference only http://oskicat.berkeley.edu/search~S1?/ … D&1%2C1%2C

Are you a member of the library at Berkeley?

Me: No

Librarian: advice on accessing the resources at Berkeley are here: http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/services/fo … itors.html

You could also ask your local public library, or your own academic library if you are a student, to arrange an interlibrary loan for you

I am just leaving work, so if anyone else wants to mess with this feel free. Here is the call number for the book, whatever that means: http://oskicat.berkeley.edu/search~S1?/ … ,,B/browse

So far, no response on this,anybody else have any replies, or get anyplace? Anybody near Berkeley that could maybe drop in and get a hold of this??