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A show on the Golden State Killer

It’s on now.

It was Ancestry that was used to get him .

Boy oh boy do I hope/wish that investigators have Z’s DNA sample (CJB pants? Is it for sure a testable sample like the History Channel "doc" claimed?) to submit if this is considered kosher in legal terms.

My understanding is the Riverside sample it is mitochondrial DNA. It may not be compatible with the Ancestry.com database, by may be compatible with other private databases. We need a DNA expert to clarify that.

Boy oh boy do I hope/wish that investigators have Z’s DNA sample (CJB pants? Is it for sure a testable sample like the History Channel "doc" claimed?) to submit if this is considered kosher in legal terms.

My understanding is the Riverside sample it is mitochondrial DNA. It may not be compatible with the Ancestry.com database, by may be compatible with other private databases. We need a DNA expert to clarify that.

According to Tahoe a new DNA profile has been developed from CJB’s pants this past year.

I sure hope they search the online databases for a match.

This may bring new meaning to "XYZ" was my Daddy. Seriously, so many who have had these DNA tests completed…who knows what may turn up! I’d gladly volunteer mine, and it looks like I have. Although, I wonder since I checked the "do not share" box, if they would have the same access to mine? I wonder where privacy laws come in. Not that I care…they caught the bastard.

Will this affect the amount of people getting their DNA tests done via sites like Ancestry? Interesting to see what’s to come.

Apparently the private DNA databases will give up their information to law enforcement if LE presents a court order.

So if that’s true, then they would have had a reason to look at his family DNA, it wouldn’t have been a hit from a blind search.

Good point.

Thanks, by the way, to those who responded to my earlier post.

Amen to this.

Words can not describe how excited I am for the victims. Absolutely elated. And for law enforcement too.

And to add that this goes to show that even the hardest cold cases can still be solved.

Soze

I am so very happy for the victims that have waited all these years hoping for closure and justice to be served to their tormentor. I am so sad for some victims that may have not told the police crimes were committed. It was a different time back then and not all rapes were reported.

Bless all of them

I could be wrong, but you would assume with the power and algorithms of today’s computing, that you could run a blind search – simply entering your subject DNA and searching for the closest match.

I could be wrong, but you would assume with the power and algorithms of today’s computing, that you could run a blind search – simply entering your subject DNA and searching for the closest match.

Probably could, but if they access the database of a private company using a court order, the court would want reasonable cause. I’m not sure that the off chance it could have the DNA of a suspect would be good enough. Maybe if they narrow the scope to only look at a certain area of the country, like the Sacramento area or any area a crime related to the case was committed. I’d bet they had something that gave them probable cause to search this one particular family.

OK, not sure about this but, it supposedly was reported on NPR…

What the police did was, enter the UnSub DNA they had into the database of one of these companies under a false name, and waited to see what matches came back. When one did, they used that info to narrow down the family members until they had their man. They then acquired a sample of Deangelo’s DNA from something he discarded. No court order or warrant needed.

That would make sense – that they were simply a customer submitting DNA.

The LA Times pointed out that the private DNA sites typically guarantee privacy for their customers, except that they are alerted to possible matches with relatives.

Apparently the initial match yielded several families from the database, with a pool of about 100 men who fit the age profile of the killer.

Confirmation police did use a DNA genealogy website to locate the EAR/ONS.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dn … a23f215823

I was wrong about who the EAR/ONS was, as was every other amateur researcher and police detective. But Morf and myself were right about a few things.

A possible UC Davis connection was almost never mentioned on the EAR/ONS message boards or in press about the case, neither in the years before this arrest or since the arrest.

But working with Morf on a different POI, we developed info on a cluster of attacks centered around the UC Davis campus, the City of Davis and the surrounding six county Valley and East Bay area. The Sacramento crime cluster and the Southern California crime cluster got a lot of recognition and discussion. This crime cluster much less so.

Our POI attended UC Davis and we highlighted this crime cluster, and speculated that whoever EAR/ONS was, he likely had some ties to this area and knowledge of it, probably by attending UC Davis. Joseph DeAngelo did attend UC Davis.

For this image, research by Morf and AK Wilks, graphics work by Traveller1st.

EDIT: Based on new information, it appears Joseph James DeAngelo only took an extension course(s) at U Cal Davis, which very likely only had very minimal contact with the campus or probably none at all/ Thus it is not really clear why JJD targeted this area the way he did.

Morf and I also did research on a possible "Ground Zero" of early confirmed and possible EAR attacks, which were concentrated in the Dawes and Dolcetto area of Rancho Cordova Sacramento. Joseph DeAngelo attended school at American River College, is less than 7 miles away from the Dawes and Dolcetto area of Rancho Cordova.

For this image, research by Morf and AK Wilks, graphics work by Traveller1st.

Confirmation police did use a DNA genealogy website to locate the EAR/ONS.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dn … a23f215823

from the Huffpo story (bold, italic emphasis is mine)…

A spokesperson for 23andMe, a well-known genealogical website, said it was not involved in the investigation.

“It’s our policy to resist law enforcement inquiries to protect customer privacy,” the spokesperson said in a statement to HuffPost. “23andMe has never given customer information to law enforcement officials. Our platform is only available to our customers, and does not support the comparison of genetic data processed by any third party to genetic profiles within our database.”

Another popular site, Ancestry.com, said in a statement: “We have not been in contact with law enforcement regarding the Joseph James DeAngelo case. Ancestry advocates for its members’ privacy and will not share any information with law enforcement unless compelled to by valid legal process.”

After narrowing in on family trees that were potential matches, investigators focused their search on DeAngelo, who had lived in the areas of the attacks and fit the age profile.

In this current climate of #MeToo, I really would hope that women’s groups especially will be outraged and lobby for policy changes from these genealogy companies. There is a long history of violent rape not being taken seriously in investigation, sentencing and subsequent paroles as a major terror/hate crime, so often perpetrated by evil, repeat offenders who are incapable of showing remorse or becoming rehabilitated. The same is true of child molestation; another sex crime type so often swept under the carpet historically, where the victims apparently do not count so much to the powers-that-be because they are not eligible to vote, no doubt.

A privacy policy to protect your own DNA data from being bought and sold on is fine. But a person’s DNA privacy rights should not trump the right of other citizens to feel that everything is being done to bring rapists and murderers to justice, and off the streets ASAP. And if your DNA is used to reveal that your father or cousin is a serial violent offender, then it’s better your feelings get hurt and they get arrested than leaving them on the streets to harm more people and evade justice.

Ancestry should work towards assisting LE, not touting this privacy nonsense to claim they will only do so when compelled by "valid legal processes". I hope they eventually get sued for some kind of de facto obstructing justice, or harbouring criminals. I’d wager that their real privacy policy (in using DNA demographic info) is about as kosher as Facebook’s.

To circumvent the illegal use of DNA and the potential fruit of the poison tree problems i would have a go at it like this.

Take any one of the rape cases that cannot be tried due to statute of limitations.

Let he victim request their belongings (evidence) back as it is useless to the police now. The police are only the care takers of the evidence, the statute of limitations have run out and the police can throw them out or give back the personal belongings as no case can be tried.

Remember the perpetrator has given up his right to the DNA he DISCARDED at a crime scene. (and its not likely he is going to put his hand up and ask for it back)

The victim then has a DNA test done privately at their own expense.

The results are given to a private investigator.

He gives the police a heads up on who too look for
Then have a crack at a murder case

LE is at arms length.