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(@sta1nislaus)
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Hi,

My name is John, and I live in the UK. I was 20 years old in 1968, when the first "confirmed" Zodiac Killer murder occured. It seems to me that I’ve known about the Zodiac forever, although it was not until I had retired from my occupation in the early 2000’s that I began to get more time to explore the whole, fascinating, circumstances, surrounding the case. Since then, I have watched the movies, documentaries on TV and YouTube, and read several books on the subject.

If there is any of the single suspects that would be number one on my list, from what I know to-date, it would be Ross Sullivan. This is especially because what I have just learnt this year. If it is proven to be correct that Cheri Jo Bates and Cecelia Shepherd knew each other down in Riverside, in 1966, and even more than that were reasonably friendly with one another, my belief would be that it is a huge development in the case. It would establish a link between Riverside and Lake Berryessa where two, young, attractive, female friends, were brutally murdered with a knife in separate incidents three years apart from one another (although I concede they were not identical attacks). The only suspect I know of who can be placed at RCC in 1966, and the Bay area in 1969, is Ross Sullivan. I would certainly be interested in the opinions of others on these forums, and I would like to state here I have great respect for Mike Morford and the amazing work that he has done over many years.

 
Posted : October 25, 2019 12:38 am
(@dag-maclugh)
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sta1: My POI has the initials rh (Desktop Poem); he was a senior at Ramona High when CJB was a freshman; he played varsity football. After graduating he enlisted in the Naval Reserve. RH’s girlfriend/fiancee/wife also attended Ramona High while CJB was a student, and lived right around the corner from Bates. The local newspaper reported that she was a librarian assistant at Riverside Community College library shortly before she was married in September, 1966, after which she and her husband lived in Riverside. I’m not sure, but believe RH attended RCC from 1966 to 1968, when he and his wife moved to San Jose, where RH attended the University and majored in Graphic Arts. He graduated in 1971.
Dag

 
Posted : October 25, 2019 2:09 am
(@sta1nislaus)
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Thanks Dag.

I know the Riverside PD had their own POI for the murder of CJB, for many many years. However, my understanding now is that their suspect does not match the evidence at the scene of the crime, and on CJB’s vehicle. Is your POI, the same person that Riverside PD suspected of the crime ?

I’m not sure if the Riverside PD ever treated Ross Sullivan as a serious POI, although I’ve read that he himself did provide an alibi for the timeframe of the crime. It puzzles me, however, why his DNA (which could be partially derived from his living brother) has never been compared with evidence from the CJB crime scene. At least that testing could possibly eliminate Ross Sullivan as a POI !!

 
Posted : October 25, 2019 11:44 pm
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sta1: My POI has the initials rh (Desktop Poem); he was a senior at Ramona High when CJB was a freshman; he played varsity football. After graduating he enlisted in the Naval Reserve. RH’s girlfriend/fiancee/wife also attended Ramona High while CJB was a student, and lived right around the corner from Bates. The local newspaper reported that she was a librarian assistant at Riverside Community College library shortly before she was married in September, 1966, after which she and her husband lived in Riverside. I’m not sure, but believe RH attended RCC from 1966 to 1968, when he and his wife moved to San Jose, where RH attended the University and majored in Graphic Arts. He graduated in 1971.
Dag

One of my problems with rh being an actual person is the small case letters but that may be intentional. My major problem is that Zodiac revealing his initials is contrary to his m.o. Time after time, he was clever and deceptive.

 
Posted : October 30, 2019 8:31 am
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sta1: My POI has the initials rh (Desktop Poem); he was a senior at Ramona High when CJB was a freshman; he played varsity football. After graduating he enlisted in the Naval Reserve. RH’s girlfriend/fiancee/wife also attended Ramona High while CJB was a student, and lived right around the corner from Bates. The local newspaper reported that she was a librarian assistant at Riverside Community College library shortly before she was married in September, 1966, after which she and her husband lived in Riverside. I’m not sure, but believe RH attended RCC from 1966 to 1968, when he and his wife moved to San Jose, where RH attended the University and majored in Graphic Arts. He graduated in 1971.
Dag

One of my problems with rh being an actual person is the small case letters but that may be intentional. My major problem is that Zodiac revealing his initials is contrary to his m.o. Time after time, he was clever and deceptive.

I think when he wrote rh at the bottom of the sick poem, he wasn’t thinking that 50 yrs later people would still be talking about it, or even make a connection to someone with those initials. The wording in the confession letter, indicates a much older suspect, not a school mate. I feel confidant that when we do get the results back on the DNA from VPD, that one of the Z suspects will be RH. People are putting too much thought in Zodiac living in Riverside in 66 and then in the bay area in 68. Many serial killers do start close to where they live, but also it could be where they were working at that time. There is not one eye witness who said Zodiac was over weight or fat, stocky yes, not close to 300 pounds like Ross S. The other thing that has been on my mind is that if Cheri Jo and Cecelia did in fact hang out together, why would it take 50 yrs to find that out? Sorry but I do not believe that for one minute.

 
Posted : October 31, 2019 7:50 pm
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My interest in my POI doesn’t just stem from his initials being rh. He, his girlfriend-become-wife, and Cheri Bates shared the same high school for a year. Since
rh’s girlfriend lived around the corner from Bates. It is almost inconceivable that these three were ignorant of each other. As for rh’s motive for (possibly) killing Cheri: he was a young man, and she, a beautiful woman. Possibly he made a pass at her, and she threatened to inform his girlfriend, fiancee, wife–whatever her status–and her rejection set him off. A rather dull stimulus I admit, but also common.
Further, I suspect RPD is not so much interested in solving CJB’s murder as they are in disproving the possibility that Zodiac killed her. This puzzles me, as their insistence that "Bob Barnett" murdered her is at least a generation old, and the current force need not be bound by it. Time they should research other candidates.

 
Posted : January 1, 2020 5:25 am
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CS dad was teacher at Loma Linda, next to Riverside. Their campus shared music lessons at RCC. Both, CS and CJB were into music. RS can be ruled out due to celebrity cipher card having been written after his death.

Check out this one, too, if you like
viewtopic.php?f=107&t=3083&p=64239&hilit=Leonard+Bates#p64300

QT

*ZODIACHRONOLOGY*

 
Posted : January 1, 2020 2:04 pm
(@ithinkiknow)
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Dag

One of my problems with rh being an actual person is the small case letters but that may be intentional. My major problem is that Zodiac revealing his initials is contrary to his m.o. Time after time, he was clever and deceptive.

YESSSSS! Exactly. I think it could easily be an "s" that was turned into an "r" after the writer relaized how much of himself he had given away by writing on the underside of that desk.

 
Posted : January 1, 2020 11:48 pm
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