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Greetings from Napa, this is Cathy

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Greetings all,

My name is Cathy and I live in Napa CA. Been here since 1993. Lived before in small towns near Half Moon Bay and Healdsburg, on remote ranches, raising horses, cattle, dogs, etc. so I did not grow up hearing many details of the Zodiac Killer case. Went to college at Davis, degree in International Relations. Then moved to Napa when I got a sales job there, my fiancé was working in Napa also, so that made it an easy decision to move. I went back to school in late 90’s at Napa Valley College and took classes on computer software, hardware, networking etc. to become a computer techie. Was working at Charles Schwab in SF and Pleasanton and commuting over an hour each way. Saw an ad to work at the City of Napa and started there in June 2001. Was working at the police department, just fixing computers, like an auto mechanic, nothing too complicated. I went into work on Dave Slaight’s computer one day at the police department. He then told me he had spoken to the Zodiac Killer and taken a call from him. I didn’t believe him and told him so. I had heard of Zodiac but only had vague details – I thought it was just in SF, something tied to the Chronicle, and had thought the victims were like the 12 different signs of the horoscope printed daily in the newspaper- Gemini, Cancer, Leo, etc. He told me about the killing in Berryessa, and he had taken the call. Honestly, I was incredulous. I hadn’t worked in law enforcement before, and having had lived in very small towns/rural areas, I had very little exposure to working with police officers. I really didn’t know what to say to him. I went back to my office, asked my boss about it, and he confirmed it. Dave Slaight retired soon after. I wish now I had asked more questions. But my focus then was to pass probation after working for 6 months, so my focus was on doing my job, getting things done well and in a professional manner. The last thing I wanted was to appear like a nutcase obsessed about a crime. Also, in 2001, working there, I got a lot of negative attitude from men, who didn’t believe I was qualified for the job as a female, and the job should have gone to a man supporting a wife in family. The culture was very much like 1950’s small town. Basically I was harassed on a daily basis when I started, and had to stand up to each bully and prove my worth, qualifications, skill, etc. I think that’s why I thought Dave Slaight was pulling my leg and telling me a whopper as a "newbie initiation". Anyways, once I got used to everyone, and they got used to me, I passed probation, and was accepted into the City Work Family as it was. And I was very lucky to work with a very nice group of people who cared about Napa, lived here, had family here, careers here, and really looked to be working for the greater good of our town.

Now, in 2019, I am semi-retired and have some time on my hands. I’ve read up on the zodiac crimes over the years and on message boards. Honestly, in my humble opinion, it’s like a zillion to one on this case to truly find the killer and have enough evidence to bring to the DA and have a court case and find the killer guilty. What I do find after reviewing all the known facts of the case, the police reports, FBI reports, pictures, evidence – there is way too much data, I feel bogged down, then when you add in the letters and cryptography, I’m just done- it’s rather overwhelming. So my approach to the case is very simple – just using a pen, and composition book, I want to just write down the most basic of info – date, crime victim, time of day, weather temperature. Then add in a few more facts, and just work on one scene, Berryessa, only because I live here in Napa and I’m familiar with the area, and then bring in another site, probably Vallejo, Lake Herman Road. Compare and contrast.

The other thing I am working on at the library- is going over the microfilm/microfiche copies of the local paper the Napa Valley Register. It’s very nice I don’t have to actually now use the film rolls, the library has the info online ( https://dr652b.bmiimaging.com/index?dat … BER&Day=27) and you can drill down to the year, date, etc. So, for someone computer savvy, it is very old school. I want to go back in time to 1968-1969, the time of the killer, and see the articles of the day- look at the weather (for example, high of 94 in Napa on 9/26/69, day before Berryessa killing, 95 at Berryessa, 92 in Angwin) the Giants playing the Dodgers (9/26/69), an ad for Canadian Club whiskey at $8.39/quart, and two ads that stuck out for tires- one was "guaranteed nationwide" (I’m not sure what that means), another advertising "Riverside Runabout tires, with pricing at $14/first tire, $8.40/2nd tire- now when I buy tires in 2019 it’s the same price per tire, if you’re buying 1, 2 or 4. Basically, looking for something that is different then than now, a statistically interesting fact that’s off the bell curve.

Anyways, long intro. Going through the site again, taking notes. I don’t want to post or ask questions that are already answered. Oh, I did download the Morf and Mike book last month. I super enjoyed the podcast and the book- how it would present a detail on the case, then ask questions back on forth. That helps a lot when looking at crime reports from 50 years ago, helps to answer questions I had on how and why and things.

Thank you for listening,

CathyO

 
Posted : January 30, 2019 12:56 am
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Hi CathyO,

That was a fantastic intro. Thanks for taking the time to compose/post it and thanks for joining us. :D

trav


I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.

 
Posted : January 30, 2019 1:18 am
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Welcome CathyO, hope you find some interesting threads to read over the next months,

QT

*ZODIACHRONOLOGY*

 
Posted : January 30, 2019 4:26 am
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Traveler and Quicktrader, thank you so much! Just something to, I think, occupy my time and keep me busy, really. My computer is so old and the screen is blurry, my ipad is cracked, my phone is too small, so I’m at the Napa college library here to look things up. They have some nice big screens for us old people to actually see! I like the data and theories on message boards, but it’s difficult to read clearly on a small screen.

I found the reports for Berryessa – SO as we say here in town or Sheriffs Office (35 pages), and the other was State of CA reports. Yesterday, I found a link to just individual files, and they were JPGs or pictures. This computer has the full professional version of Adobe Acrobat, so i put all the pictures in a folder, and "combined" them into one PDF file. However, when I attempted to print at home- the content was a bit blurry and blown up- it didn’t cleanly put th JPG onto an 8 1/2 x 11 page. I didn’t want to waste hours today fixing that- is there another link here or Tom Voigt’s site that has all the pages combined into one file? I swear there was, and I can’t find it, none of my searches are being productive. If either of you recall where that was and can point me in the right direction, I’d be very appreciative.

Grazie!

CathyO

 
Posted : January 31, 2019 12:55 am
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Welcome to the board! It’s really interesting to hear about your encounter with one of those few who’ve heard what Zodiac sounds like! And the general atmosphere of Napa.

You’re doing a really valuable job going through the local newspaper archives. They haven’t really been explored much since they’re not as widely available online as for example San Francisco Chronicle or other such big papers are on Newspapers.com. There’s a similar limitation with the Vallejo papers. Hopefully you come across something curious!

Oh and being a woman in a computer job… I can feel your plight!

 
Posted : January 31, 2019 2:03 am
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Thanks Joku!

I looked again at the ad for the "Riverside" brand tires. There’s a MW logo in it I didn’t see before, so the ad was from Montgomery Ward. Probably the nationwide tire guarantee would be at all MW stores nationwide, that would make sense.

What popped out as odd- MW had hours advertised at the store – they threw off my assumptions for the times. Mon, Tues, Wed., and Sat, they were open 9:30AM-5:30PM. Just Thursday and Friday they were open 9:30AM – 9PM. I had assumed that stores all closed by 5 or 6PM in the 50’s and 60’s from what my parents said. So perhaps instead of directly driving from home or work to his crime scene, he could have gone and hung out at a store killing time, not just at a bar. There’s also an ad for an indoor archery range, at 836 Main Street in Napa (phone booth where suspect called into Napa PD was at corner of Main/Clinton at Napa Car Wash per my notes, need to find exact address). So an interesting lead would be to find other ads in the Napa paper on what was open back then, what times. Where was the killer before the crime, that day, what did he do?

We don’t know if the killer was local, or out of town. We don’t know if he had previously staked out Berryessa, or the phone booth, or where he truly parked. I believe it’s important for me to not assume one way or another and need to check myself. While working in Napa, we had a cold case murder that was finally solved, and a double murder that was solved. In both cases, we in town made assumptions on the case, based on clues and leads, on who the suspect was. The cold case was at Fagiani’s bar, where the female owner was killed, while working alone (the co-owner was her sister Muriel Fagiani who lived for many years). Cold case, went on for decades, and we thought it was a local person. Turned out to be a drifter from out of town, solved through DNA, and he was already in prison. It’s a small town, and not like on a highway where people are just driving through our town to get to another big city or state, so we assumed it would not be a drifter.
https://napavalleyregister.com/news/loc … 3ce6c.html

In our other case that took a while was a double homicide of two women. One of the women was a beauty queen, perhaps Miss Georgia, very beautiful, had many male admirers. The clues in the case pointed to her, that the killer was obsessed with her, knew her, that type of thing. So police traveled around here, back to Georgia, even Alaska, all over getting DNA samples, interviewing, etc., and came up with nothing. They reviewed the evidence over and over. Cigarettes were found at the scene and added of course as evidence. But they finally looked a lot deeper (and by this time, you didn’t see many people smoking) and found that these cigarettes were a brand that had very low sales compared to other brands, so became rare. There was a third roommate, who was alive (I believe she wasn’t home on the murder night, which was on Halloween), and it was her fiancee who smoked this brand. So they eventually found the killer. But the killer was tied to her, not the beauty queen. I believe he was jealous of the closeness of the girls, something like that. There was no trial, I think he just confessed, so not as many details came out on it.
https://napavalleyregister.com/news/loc … 0f9e2.html

Thanks!

CathyO

 
Posted : February 1, 2019 1:43 am
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RE: Napa phone booth where call was placed to NPD regarding Berryessa Building

Phone booth location was at 1231 Main Street. Today in 2019, and for past 25 years I’ve lived in Napa, it’s been parking lot near an old stone building that was originally a Chinese laundry. Was a deli when I moved here in 1993, then became a wine tasting building. Attaching a google maps pic of what it looks like now.

The ad I found for the Indoor archery range was located at 836 Main Street. However, that location is on the even side, and that is a two block park between !st and 3rd Streets, called Veterans Park. Been here since I moved here in 1993.

As far as going back to 1969 and the Zodiac – walking between these locations is only a few blocks in the downtown area currently. He also could have walked away from Main Street and street lights near the 1231 Main street payphone to a bar on Main via the Napa Creek, which then brought it into the Napa River.

When I started working for the City of Napa, I got to learn about all the incredible redevelopment that went on in the 70’s. Fellow employees would share their history, while walking downtown, of what building(s) were removed for redevelopment, and even buildings that were themselves moved from one location to another.

An interesting find from our local Napa Valley Register: this shows pictures from the very early 70’s before the buildings were razed. These are the pictures of when the Zodiac would be here. I can’t quite see yet a specific pic from Main where the payphone was. For the archery location at 836 Main, it does show the building location there at the Conner Hotel at Main/Third, which was demolished to make Veterans Park. https://napavalleyregister.com/news/loc … 78c.html#3

What do the pictures show overall that is of interest today? Many of these buildings are overall gritty, dirty, rundown looking. This area was frequently flooded by the Napa River, rents were cheaper is this area. It did take some time for redevelopment to take down the buildings and build new ones. It is definitely not the clean, touristy feeling you get today when visiting Napa. Much more of a blue collar feel that would also coincide with Vallejo as well.

There’s not a pic there of 1231 Main Street showing the whole block. There’s a pic at Main/Pearl, which is about 1/2 block away, and shows numerous old buildings. There should be some old city archives we can look through or go through the old Goodman Building Library. It was closed for some time after the earthquake. Perhaps they’d have some old photos which aren’t yet on the Internet that could be of interest.

Thanks!

Cathyo

 
Posted : February 1, 2019 2:56 am
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Welcome CathyO.

Thanks for your input!

You will find some really great threads here. Seagull has posted a lot of information from these same newspapers and provided us some really great photos. I will try and link some when I can. We have had some nice discussion about the phone booth.

Glad to have you with us. :)


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : February 2, 2019 11:08 pm
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Seagull provided this to me. It’s really a great view of the car wash from above:

Hope this is a good addition to your files!


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : February 3, 2019 1:03 am
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