It has been mentioned for years that Kane worked for Allen Dorfman in a real estate office at the Sahara Tahoe.
It appears that Hoffa (who Dorfman was involved with) and the Teamsters did not have the same "associates" and therefore, Dorfman would have not "employed" Kane at the Sahara Tahoe which was owned/operated by Del Webb and his own team…."rivaling the teamsters".
Of course, who knows what happened in Vegas!
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The Money and the Power: The Making of Las Vegas and its hold on America … – Page 233-234
"If Moe told them to make a loan," said one observer of the moment, "they made the loan."
In 1960, Teamster money began pouring in to finance the next round of casino growth, even beyond what the Bank of Las Vegas was providing with its discreet "character loans." There were the expansions at the Fremont, Desert Inn, and Stardust, including the latter’s own eighteen- hole course laid out with "golf bags full of pension funds," as a reporter described the $1.2 million financing Of the first nine pension fund loans, Dalitz interests received four, though Hoffa soon diversified his portfolio. Major lending followed to the Dunes, Landmark, Four Queens, Aladdin, and for the first portion of what would be more than $20 million to Sarno’s Caesars Palace (there were more funds later for Sarno’s cavernous Circus Circus). The ever ready Bank of Las Vegas, now renamed and expanded as Valley
….Bank , handled most of the Teamster loans on the scene, an amount climbing over the decade past $100 million.
Typically, Parry Thomas was in close and lucrative relationships with Dalitz and Hoffa attorney Morris Shenker, a Syndicate lawyer from St. Louis with myriad political and business connections as well as his own casino interests then and later. The Teamster ties and corresponding bank loans began to take Walter Cosgriff’s once modest bank into much wider, murkier terrain, though much of that world would not be exposed for decades to come. Soon the power of the Teamsters, and of the organized crime around and behind Hoffa, seemed a new arbiter in the city. "Jimmy was the juice," one Las Vegan said of Hoffa in the early sixties. With the loans — "they all had unwritten strings attached," a lawyer for the casinos recalled — came still more claimants on the skim, Hoffa allies from the Midwest and elsewhere who added to the welter of gang holdings and levies along the Strip. But the predominant authority in the city remained Lansky and his closer associates. "A lot of guys were coming in then on the split," said a longtime manager, "but these were still mostly Lansky joints." The Hoffa millions did nothing in in the end to change that reality in the backrooms, though outwardly the union presence was conspicuous.
Represented in Nevada by US senator Alan Bible’s law firm in Reno, the Teamsters became one of Nevada’s largest creditors and mortgage-holders, and of its kind, even in a place accustomed to absentee, colonial rule, a distant force to be reckoned with.
"Any ambitious businessman in Las Vegas would eventually run across the Teamsters, the biggest lender in the state," a Cleveland journalist wrote of the period. "They have bankrolled the better part of Las Vegas," concluded a writer for the Wall Street Journal.
Still, significant as it was, that corrupt union financing — from which Las Vegas was supposedly rescued later by more respectable millions — only tended to only tended to overshadow and distract attention from other money no less vital to the city. As Hoffa was lavishing his pensions on the Strip, construction magnate Del Webb, whose huge corporation was already publicly traded, was doing some casino investing of his own. Webb’s CEO in 1961, an ex-carpenter named LC "Jake" Jacobson, had known racketeer Al Winter in Oregon, where they were both connected in the Northwest’s business-union-political nexus of Dave Beck and Seattle-Portland organized crime. Using what one account called "the substantial resources and good name" of the Webb Corporation, Jacobson had helped Winter and his mob partners finance the Sahara in the fifties. A decade later, Jacobson and Webb were brandishing their corporate stock to buy the Sahara along with the Winter faction’s Mint in Glitter Gulch, and soon added the Thunderbird and the downtown Lucky, as well as building a massive new Sahara-Tahoe casino resort on the south shore of the lake not far from Cal-Neva. By 1965, the deals amounted to a Webb investment in Nevada of more than $60 million, rivaling the Teamsters’. Like the mob, Webb had easily gotten around the Nevada restriction on licensing a public corporation by simply creating what Jacobson termed a "conduit"—an entity called Consolidated Casinos — with a handful of licensees that funneled profits back into the barely separate parent company. Snaking through Webb’s construction firm and eventually into the purchase and expansion of the casinos were millions in loans brokered by Wall Street’s venerable Lehman Brothers, discreetly shielding the actual lenders, which included trusts of Princeton University, the US Steel Pension Fund, and Morgan Guaranty. Webb and his prestigious investors were not the first of their sort along the Strip. Even before Webb bought the Sahara, a Manhattan investment consortium led by Lawrence Wien, who also headed a group that owned and operated the Empire State Building, had bought the Desert Inn and promptly begun leasing it back to Dalitz and its other original hoodlum owners — just as Webb turned the lucrative operations of his properties back over to Syndicate figures….
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
Tahoe Stated….
"It has been mentioned for years that Kane worked for Allen Dorfman in a real estate office at the Sahara Tahoe.
It appears that Hoffa (who Dorfman was involved with) and the Teamsters did not have the same "associates" and therefore, Dorfman would have not "employed" Kane at the Sahara Tahoe which was owned/operated by Del Webb and his own team…."rivaling the teamsters".
Of course, who knows what happened in Vegas!
Well the mob made strange bedfellows for sure, but to say that Webb wouldn’t be dealing with a Hoffa Associate, well it just wouldn’t work that way. In fact Del Webb was indicted for conspriracy to defraud the Teamster’s Pension Fund in ’79. There was a guy named Bill Bennett who ran Del Webb Operations in Nevada, he was the boss. Mr. Bennett hooked up with a guy named Sarno (a long time Hoffa/Dorfman guy) and thus Del Webb became a co-owner in a Casino with Sarno. So their relationships were there. Webb came from like Az., I don’t think he was a mob guy, per se, he was a real estate magnate in Az. and beyond. But once he decided to get involved in the Casino World well that threw him in the throws of the mob. Enter Bill Bennett, he dealt with Del Webb Operations, he had to deal with the mob.
I never have read that Dorfman worked for Del Webb while at Sahara, I don’t think it would work that way, but rather Dorfman ran his Insurance Business out of the Sahara. In other words he had an office operations there. I’m sure he rented his space from Bennett. Or however, the mob set up their stuff. Probably Dorfman got his space for free for other favors. Like Webb staying alive. Alan Dorfman was like the son or stepson of Red Dorfman, and Red was a long time employee for Capone. So I think Mr. Webb, or Mr. Bennet would gladly make a space for a Dorfman. And Kane would just be an employee, maybe he did more than that for Dorfman, who knows. I know Dorfman fired Kane in 1974. I guess Kane was too loose a ticket even for Dorfman. At that point Kane went back to S. Lake Tahoe, and got himself involved in Lake Tahoe RE. I recall reading of a case in the late 90’s, I think it was, where Kane tried to screw some guy in Lake Tahoe out of a hefty some of $$$$. Kane lost the case, and had to pay back the $$$.
Trying to get info on a POI who was associated with mobsters, and dirty in his own right, makes it doubly hard to link to the Z case.
At this point, there is just no proof Allen Dorfman ever had any association with the Sahara Tahoe. I’d like to see it.
Sometimes I think the "what we knows" are rumors.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
Again, I have to go back to what I said before in answer to this:
If this is not true, and Kane never went to work for Dorfman at the Sahara Tahoe, then what this implies is that Harvey Hines just made it up and added it to his report to bolster Kane as a suspect in Donna’s disappearance and simply hoped that those who looked at his report and did follow it up (such as Vallejo PD Captain Roy Conway, and subsequently the FBI) wouldn’t notice and discover this was actually a fabrication.
The idea that Hines would do that and risk discrediting himself is just ridiculous for me because he not only states that Kane worked there in his report, but in an on-camera interview states "I went to Tahoe and I Questioned the people that worked with Donna Lass and asked them if there was anyone that they could remember that was odd or different from the rest? Without exception, they named Larry Kane."
Now again, this is something that could easily be disproved by anyone wishing to do a follow up of their own back then by simply finding out who Donna worked with and asking them "Did you tell Harvey Hines that Larry Kane was odd and different?" and if Hines had never spoken to them, or did speak to them but they had not mentioned any Kane as being odd, he’d be easily discredited. Hines also states in his report: ‘Co-Workers said Kane and Lass knew each other.’ Again, a follow up would quickly uncover this lie if it were just that, a lie. Or even the Co-Workers themselves could hear of Hines report and claims and come forward and say he’s lying. That just doesn’t seem at all likely given that we know the following to be true….
In Hines Report, he states:
‘Attempts to hide his identity through a series of aliases.‘ Having now got Kane’s arrest history, this is completely true.
‘Criminal record shows history for prowling and peeping tom offences, with an arrest in Redwood City four months before first Bay Area Killing.’ Again, having Kane’s criminal record to hand, the entry Hines refers to is the 8-29-68 arrest for Prowling.
‘Kane traded his car in just 5 days after Blue Rock shooting, trading for a 1969 ambassador’ (The crime where Zodiac acknowledges he is aware his car was seen and described). Again, this was attested to by John Miles and Delta Pontiac.
There are more examples I could point to showing Hines as being vindicated in the accuracy of his report, but the above is enough to get the point across. Why is it so difficult to accept the word of Harvey Hines when the above is known to be absolutely accurate. If people had an instance where Hines was known and proven to have lied then I’d understand the scepticism. But to my knowledge, there isn’t!
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Chappie…I don’t think he lied. It’s people who tell him this stuff I don’t totally trust. Hines was a cop and obviously had access to a lot of law enforcement’s documentation.
People, for whatever reason want to be a part of things. They will say they were friends with someone when the fact of the matter is, they barely said hello.
Kane was not a suspect early on. In initial reports, no one she was friends with or worked with made any suggestion Larry Kane knew, or harassed Donna. No mention of the man at all and several men were mentioned.
Again, I am not pointing the finger at Harvey, but the people who relay this stuff…them I question.
All I seek with this thread is validation Allen Dorfman had any involvement with the Sahara Tahoe. I don’t think that man with that power would have some small, second-hand office in some other man’s building.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
Here’s the thing, Okay, he traded his car a few days after the attack, I would bet lots of people traded cars in that week, hell, there is a suspect in the unredacted police repors that PAINTED his car a few days after the BRS attack, but that doesn’t mean that either he or Cane was guilty of being zodiac, but sure things like that should be noticed, and noted. I think I remember, Jonasson(suspect in the Lass case),moving when Donna’s Sister came to town looking for her.
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Here’s the thing, Okay, he traded his car a few days after the attack, I would bet lots of people traded cars in that week, hell, there is a suspect in the unredacted police repors that PAINTED his car a few days after the BRS attack, but that doesn’t mean that either he or Cane was guilty of being zodiac, but sure things like that should be noticed, and noted. I think I remember, Jonasson(suspect in the Lass case),moving when Donna’s Sister came to town looking for her.
I wasn’t posting that Kane traded his car in as circumstantial evidence of his guilt, I was posting it here in this post to show that Harvey has credibility because Kane trading his car in, as Harvey pointed to, was verified by Delta Pontiac.
"People, for whatever reason want to be a part of things. They will say they were friends with someone when the fact of the matter is, they barely said hello."
Yes, I agree. I suppose it depends if Harvey had suggested to Donna’s work mates that Kane may be responsible before asking them can they remember anyone odd. If he did plant the suggestion beforehand then I agree, people are likely to reply by confirming Hines suspicion. But if he did not mention anyone specifically and simply went to Donna’s colleagues and asked "Is there anyone you can think of that may have seemed odd or different to you around the time Donna disappeared?" and several of them independently named Kane then that is different. Still doesn’t prove anything as far as his guilt or innocence goes though.
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