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The ‘official’ ss# for Cane,on file with ss,is 101-12-2950

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Posted : April 10, 2014 9:01 pm
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The ‘official’ ss# for Cane,on file with ss,is 101-12-2950

Must be a typo in the FBI doc then

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Posted : April 10, 2014 9:21 pm
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The ‘official’ ss# for Cane,on file with ss,is 101-12-2950

Must be a typo in the FBI doc then

Maybe he used two diff ones? If he did, certainly seems like he was doing something shady

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Posted : April 10, 2014 9:23 pm
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I used to wonder how it was that he could be arrested over here as ‘KANE’, then arrested over there as ‘KLEIN’, then back over here as ‘BARTON’ and so on without any of the Police Departments discovering he’s using an alias, but I was thinking in todays World terms. Today you couldn’t get away with that because it all computerised. They would take you prints, upload them to the database, and within seconds your true identity would be discovered. But back then there were no computers, no ‘instant fix’, if you will, to unearthing a persons true identity. It was all done manually back then on a finger print card file system. If someone said their name was ‘Larry Barton’ then that’s who they’d book them as and only later, as in the case and point with his rap sheet, discover that the prints for Larry Barton, Lawrence Kane, Lawrence Kaye etc, all come back to one individual.

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Posted : April 11, 2014 12:24 am
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Thanks for the uploads, Welsh – highly interesting stuff!

It’s intriguing that the VPD seemingly treated the "my name" cipher as cracked: "…when broken," they say, it reveals that the writer’s name is Kane, was born in 1924 and that he is Jewish. I remember coming across this before, in the FBI files, albeit worded slightly differently.

I wonder if this is something the VPD got directly from Harvey Hines? It seems to be based on Hines’ solution: Three Taurus symbols = 3 x 8 = 24. And the Jewish part has something to do with reading the symbols backwards.

 
Posted : April 11, 2014 12:47 am
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I do know Harvey worked with the V.P.D. so I would say…"yes".


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : April 11, 2014 12:54 am
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The ‘official’ ss# for Cane,on file with ss,is 101-12-2950

Must be a typo in the FBI doc then

Maybe he used two diff ones? If he did, certainly seems like he was doing something shady

Well Morf I do know that he had two for certain. The one you point to, 101-12-2950 comes back to being issued out of NY, which seems right because as far as we have been able to determine, that’s where he was born. The other one he lists on his medical Application I posted a few posts back, comes back to being issued out of Missouri.

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Posted : April 11, 2014 1:09 am
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I’ve also been contacted by someone through my site that knew Cane while he resided in Lake Tahoe. I am told that upon Cane’s demise, his affairs were handled by Robert ‘Bob’ Maloff of Lake Tahoe, 1921 – 2011.

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Posted : April 11, 2014 1:15 am
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I do know Harvey worked with the V.P.D. so I would say…"yes".

Thanks, Tahoe – it’s certainly worth noting that they seemingly "bought" Hines’ cipher solution. If you do – buy it, I mean – there isn’t much room for doubt, is there? The suspect’s name is Kane and he was born in 1924 – seems an open and shut case!

I find it a bit odd that they simply went along with a solution which has never been validated by any expert – and which, to me, looks like nothing but yet another possibility. The Taurus symbol angle is interesting but hardly obvious. There’s nothing about that cipher which screams "I was born in 1924". So, yes – a bit odd that the VPD would simply go along with it.

 
Posted : April 11, 2014 1:42 am
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Harvey Hines explained how he came up with the "Name Kane" solution. I don’t think he just told Captain Conway "This Cipher line here, when decrypted, reads ‘My Name is…. "Name Kane, born in 1924 under the sign of Taurus, with a Jewish Background" and Conway just believed it lol. No, Hines said that in his opinion the code reads backwards, or from right to left. Myself, having seen a Jewish Bible, know what he means here because Hebrew is written from right to left, that’s both in sentence and direction of reading, ie, the start of a Jewish book is what we in the West would consider the back page. Hines then said the circled 8’s meant to substitute the eighth letter to the left, and…. Tell you what, Harvey can tell you himself *lol.*

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB8QV2rKQOU

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Posted : April 11, 2014 2:26 am
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Hehe, yes – he would have explained it in some detail, no doubt. I’m not suggesting that Conway took his word for it just like that. But his cipher solution has never been confirmed by experts – has it? Which makes it a bit odd that the VPD – seemingly – considered it cracked. Again, if one considers Hines’ solution the right one Zodiac states plainly enough that his name is Kane and that he was born in 1924. Which is…well, it’s hard to misunderstand. If the VPD bought Hines’ cipher solution they must have been convinced – no less – that Kane was the Zodiac killer. And that is quite remarkable.

 
Posted : April 11, 2014 2:48 am
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I have scanned the documents now….still to big for upload :-/

I’ll sort it out now, hopefully seagull can do her magic

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Posted : April 12, 2014 12:49 am
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Hehe, yes – he would have explained it in some detail, no doubt. I’m not suggesting that Conway took his word for it just like that. But his cipher solution has never been confirmed by experts – has it? Which makes it a bit odd that the VPD – seemingly – considered it cracked. Again, if one considers Hines’ solution the right one Zodiac states plainly enough that his name is Kane and that he was born in 1924. Which is…well, it’s hard to misunderstand. If the VPD bought Hines’ cipher solution they must have been convinced – no less – that Kane was the Zodiac killer. And that is quite remarkable.

No, the ‘My Name Is’ line of Cipher has never been solved to any acceptable degree. There are many different theories and Hines is only one of them. But Conway seems to have bought into Hines reasoning on the cipher and whether that was his personal opinion, or one guided by a cipher expert, we can only speculate at.

I noted, as had others before me, that not only can it read from right to left, but if you flip it upside down it seems to read "Want …." and something after it. If you use the characters more than once, you can even make an argument for it saying "Want to know Name."

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Posted : April 12, 2014 1:07 am
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Ahh, I got a solution to the doc size issue! Right, here are the scanned, better quality documents….

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Posted : April 12, 2014 1:11 am
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Arrest record full docs scan….

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Posted : April 12, 2014 1:18 am
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