PS – Notice how i started that post?

"Well Kjell is of interest to me…"

I didn’t say, nor even imply, "Well Kjell is the Zodiac for me…"

Hi-

If you are going to solve the case based on handwriting, best to include MOH and, significantly, Ted K, whose handwriting is pretty striking, IMO.

If someone is "of interest" to you but not as Z, why are you posting on this board about him?

Mike

Hi-

If you are going to solve the case based on handwriting, best to include MOH and, significantly, Ted K, whose handwriting is pretty striking, IMO.

If someone is "of interest" to you but not as Z, why are you posting on this board about him?

Mike

Mr. Rodelli, last night it was mentioned in a chatroom that Mr. X was close friends with the witnesses family. Is that true?

It came off like the witnesses would have recognized Mr. Xvale.

Hi-

If you are going to solve the case based on handwriting, best to include MOH and, significantly, Ted K, whose handwriting is pretty striking, IMO.

If someone is "of interest" to you but not as Z, why are you posting on this board about him?

Mike

Mr. Rodelli, last night it was mentioned in a chatroom that Mr. X was close friends with the witnesses family. Is that true?

It came off like the witnesses would have recognized Mr. Xvale.

I have a pending FOIA request to answer that very question. Now that Qvale is deceased, if he is the man mentioned in the FBI document, they should, and probably will, reply by sending me a copy of this document with his name un-redacted.

I sent this latest one on Nov 19, and no response yet which is a good sign. Sent one FOIA for "Lawrence Cane" not too long ago and it was back within about 5, maybe 6 weeks. Then i know it’s going to be ‘nothing found pertaining to your request’ letter response.
The last one that was successful in getting a suspect/POI’s name released took six months. So if this one is successful and it is Qvale, I should imagine it would be late Spring time.

Hi-

I beat you to that punch. The FBI said it would not do "research" and un-redact the name of any individual on a form but if you look at that document, you see from the length of the redaction of the birth dates that the man mentioned by the 8 year old was born in a month with a very long name. Like December. That would not fit X.

As for whether or not the kids knew him on the night of October 11, 1969, my money is on no. LR stated that he only met X when he did not wear glasses anymore. That was in the 1970s when he lost the glasses, grew out his hair and let his sideburns grow in. That is why LR nearly lost his lunch when he saw a photo of him with horn rimmed glasses and short hair. He asked us if we had shown him someone else’s photo by mistake, LOL. AP said X was not the man in the back seat of the squad car that night, so that whole argument that used to be marshaled to destroy my credibility is irrelevant: RR and her father apparently did not view X in the car. It was rumored to me that the other brother did know the family before 1969 but that was second hand, apocryphal info. And he is not talking. I’ve tried…

Mike

Hi-

I beat you to that punch. The FBI said it would not do "research" and un-redact the name of any individual on a form but if you look at that document, you see from the length of the redaction of the birth dates that the man mentioned by the 8 year old was born in a month with a very long name. Like December. That would not fit X.

As for whether or not the kids knew him on the night of October 11, 1969, my money is on no. LR stated that he only met X when he did not wear glasses anymore. That was in the 1970s when he lost the glasses, grew out his hair and let his sideburns grow in. That is why LR nearly lost his lunch when he saw a photo of him with horn rimmed glasses and short hair. He asked us if we had shown him someone else’s photo by mistake, LOL. AP said X was not the man in the back seat of the squad car that night, so that whole argument that used to be marshaled to destroy my credibility is irrelevant: RR and her father apparently did not view X in the car. It was rumored to me that the other brother did know the family before 1969 but that was second hand, apocryphal info. And he is not talking. I’ve tried…

Mike

"beat you to that punch. The FBI said it would not do "research" and un-redact the name of any individual on a form"

Well then they lied to you because I got the document back with one of the names un-redacted. Robert Hale West. I have put a link to the document the FBI sent me on this site on the News Thread and "I am back with you, and brought a suspect with me." Go have a look at it and you’ll see they released the name of a previously redacted Robert Hale West.

This is the document I was referring to. The name Robert H West had been redacted since the Doc was put out publically until I asked for them to release it. They will release names etc once it’s established that that person is deceased.

Well, they had a very different response to my request. I am confident that you will find that it is not X. The date box is all wrong. Should have been quite short.

Mike

Hi-

As for whether or not the kids knew him on the night of October 11, 1969, my money is on no. LR stated that he only met X when he did not wear glasses anymore. That was in the 1970s when he lost the glasses, grew out his hair and let his sideburns grow in. That is why LR nearly lost his lunch when he saw a photo of him with horn rimmed glasses and short hair. He asked us if we had shown him someone else’s photo by mistake, LOL. AP said X was not the man in the back seat of the squad car that night, so that whole argument that used to be marshaled to destroy my credibility is irrelevant: RR and her father apparently did not view X in the car. It was rumored to me that the other brother did know the family before 1969 but that was second hand, apocryphal info. And he is not talking. I’ve tried…

Mike

Okay. Thanks.

O-Tay!

Mike, a question for you, since your suspect is now dead, do you plan to contact the FBI to see if they will release any files they have on him?

Well, they had a very different response to my request. I am confident that you will find that it is not X. The date box is all wrong. Should have been quite short.

Mike

Mike, when you say "The FBI said it would not do "research" and un-redact the name of any individual on a form", was this a response they gave you to a FOIA request, or did you contact them another way? If it was a FOIA request, what specifically did you ask for?

And I am not saying I know for sure it is Qvale named in that Doc. But, if he is one of the redacted names then now he has passed away they will release his Name if it appears in the Document.

And yes, the DOB box is extremely long which is unusual, but the date box length isn’t really what I was looking for in terms of what fits, it’s the last line where it says an eight year old witness names someone as possibly being the man he saw. Whoever’s DOB that is it’s way too long, Qvale or any other suspects. Here’s what I mean below, I’ve added Qvale in to show how QVALE fits…

Hi-

Sure his name can fit. So can others. The date box appears wrong to me but who knows? I’d never imply that it is his name on the form until someone proves it to me. That is not how I do research.

I sent the obit and asked them if that was the name on the form would they unredact it. They said something to the effect that that constitutes "research" and they refused to do so.

They said, "The FOIA does not require federal agencies to answer inquiries, create records, conduct research or draw conclusions concerning queried data. Rather the FOIA requires agencies to provide access to reasonably described, nonexempt records. The questions posed in this reference are not FOIA requests because they do not comply with FOIA and its regulations."

I asked if "the name of the deceased resident of SF appears in the attached redacted FBI document…"

Mike

I suggest you word a FOIA request to the FBI as follows:

I am requesting any files or reports that are releasable under FOIA guidelines for Qvale….A deceased individual-proof of death as follows(obituary,deacth cert,etc,provide date of death,ss#,etc as much as you can). I am specifically interested in any FBI fles connected to Qvale n regards to the FBI’s Zodiac Killer investigation.

When it comes to the FBI requests,its all about exact details,specific inquiry,and also include a date range,say 1968-1980,etc,etc

I have been able to get various levels of success. Also,I am sure you already have this,but request his military files via FOIA military request

I suggest you word a FOIA request to the FBI as follows:

I am requesting any files or reports that are releasable under FOIA guidelines for Qvale….A deceased individual-proof of death as follows(obituary,deacth cert,etc,provide date of death,ss#,etc as much as you can). I am specifically interested in any FBI fles connected to Qvale n regards to the FBI’s Zodiac Killer investigation.

When it comes to the FBI requests,its all about exact details,specific inquiry,and also include a date range,say 1968-1980,etc,etc

I have been able to get various levels of success. Also,I am sure you already have this,but request his military files via FOIA military request

Could do it that way Morf, but if it isn’t Qvale in that Doc, or any other Doc’s relating to Zodiac, then they’ll reply "Our main file system did not find any files responsive to your request" or words to that effect. I havn’t asked for Qvale specifically, I’m asking for any and all names that are redacted in Document A to be released under the FOIA act if the privacy laws are no longer applicable." That way, whether it is Qvale or anyone else that is deceased, they will release whatever that persons name is/was.