I’ll be corrected for sure, but I’ll give it a try:

The bullet was Lake Herman Road, Betty Lou Jensen, not Cecilia. Cecilia was killed at Lake Berryessa, indeed the pic of Betty Lou Jensen is an interesting one. The ones of Cecilia or Darlene Ferrin (Blue Rock Springs) is unkown so far.

Don Harding? Not really a serious suspect, is he? Also Gaikowski imo, simply handwriting is no match, nor is his appearance, imo. Chronicle worker? could be…MM never mentioned Rich, did he? Only Pam, Dee’s sister had mentioned a short name of the guy at the painting party. Nancy also never recognized any voice, but mentioned the strange pronounciation of the ‘goood byyyyee’..

Hope it could help, have a look at zodiackiller.com to hear nancy’s voice (should be there) and many other case’s info, such as police reports..

QT

Thanks for correcting me, I should have said Betty rather than Cecilia.

I did read that Richard worked in the Chronicle, I will try and find a picture of him at his desk I seen a while back.

Nancy was played a recording of Richard, and stated that his voice was the one she heard that night. She seemed a very level headed woman, so such a strong statement has to be considered with some substance.

MM did say in the "This is the Zodiac speaking" documentary something to the effect of "That’s just Richard" when quoting Darlene.

Anybody considered William Joseph Grant from Fairfield as a good suspect?

Gaikowski worked at the Morning News Gazette in Martinez CA and he worked at the Knickerbocker News in Albany NY. He also worked for a newspaper in South Dakota. And that’s it as far as mainstream newspapers go. He did not work at the San Francisco Chronicle. The paper he worked at in San Francisco was Good Times, an underground newspaper.

I think the picture of Gaikowski sitting at his desk was taken at the Albany NY newspaper.

The written autopsy report on Cecelia’s murder can be found here-

http://www.zodiackiller.com/DOJ17.html

There are also interpretations of other autopsy reports here-

http://www.zodiackillerthemansonconnect … files.html

She said ‘Oh never mind..’…I’ll post some in the DEE/MM section,

QT

If you watch the "This is the Zodiac speaking" documentary on youtube, MM is obviously a lot older and he does make reference to Darlene stating that his name was Richard.

If you watch the "This is the Zodiac speaking" documentary on youtube, MM is obviously a lot older and he does make reference to Darlene stating that his name was Richard.

No matter how, richard won’t fit as a substitution into the my name is cipher. Interesting if he really considered this to be his name, after telling police that Dee mentioned ‘Oh never mind’.

QT

I seem to recall hearing something somewhere that the Hardings were checked out and cleared, at least from a fingerprint perspective.

Surprised that people consider Gaikowski not to match Zodiac’s physical description. Where appearances are concerned, I will at least concede that he’s a very reasonable match.

If you watch the "This is the Zodiac speaking" documentary on youtube, MM is obviously a lot older and he does make reference to Darlene stating that his name was Richard.

He also states he was there for hours, among other things that just aren’t the case. He wasn’t "all there" in that interview.

He seems to try and be convincing himself…."yah, yah…that was it".

In regards to anything Michael Mageau states, I would go by the police report.

QT–The "My name is cipher" might not be his name, so if his name were Richard, it might not matter.

Doesn’t one of the ciphers spell out Gyke? Perhaps just a coincidence, but you never know.

I agree, Mike seemed very mentally damaged and frankly disturbed in that interview. Feel sorry for the guy, Zodiac ruined his life. I do believe him and Darlene where up to more than he lets on that night, the way he was dressed, the fact the cars full beam lights were on and MM saying she may have been trying to get the attention of passing cars, etc. Even how she told her sister that there would be big news tomorrow. What was on her mind that night of the 4th of July I wonder….

I remember seeing her sister Pam on Sally Jessy Raphael, and a Zodiac coffin being put outside her apartment. All seemed very farfetched, no disrespect intended. I am interesting in hearing more about Darlene’s time in Mexico, apparently this is where she may have witnessed a man kill someone, and where her mysterious packages were coming from, and how Zodiac referenced Mexico at the Lake. There is a strange connection.

Doesn’t one of the ciphers spell out Gyke? Perhaps just a coincidence, but you never know.

Yes, the cipher characters/symbols do but not the solution. It’s in the Z408.

There’s plenty of ‘fun’ stuff to be found in the cipher symbols but that’s most likely all it is. Fun stuff observed from our own perspectives. Not solutions or actual cryptography. Might spark an idea or indirectly yield something but it’s most likely nothing but coincidences.

Here’s some we made earlier (as they say in kid’s TV shows).

http://zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=81&t=620

Thanks for that, I can imagine you could create so many ‘clues’ that actually are not anything of value.

One question i forgot to ask, and I know nobody has the official answer, so looking more of an opinion. …

Why do you think he made the phone calls/wrote the letters, however in no letter did he ever mention the Lake Barryessa attack? I know he wrote on Mr Hartnells door, but I have never seen any reference by Zodiac on this attack in any of his letters. Kind of odd?

Thanks for that, I can imagine you could create so many ‘clues’ that actually are not anything of value.

One question i forgot to ask, and I know nobody has the official answer, so looking more of an opinion. …

Why do you think he made the phone calls/wrote the letters, however in no letter did he ever mention the Lake Barryessa attack? I know he wrote on Mr Hartnells door, but I have never seen any reference by Zodiac on this attack in any of his letters. Kind of odd?

"I am the same man who did in the people in the North Bay Area."

"Dec Jul Aug Sept Oct = 7."

My geography in California and the surrounding regions is not great, could the North bay area not refer to his crimes in Vallejo? He described all his other attacks in some detail…yet never touched on his so called Lake Barryesa antics.

My geography in California and the surrounding regions is not great, could the North bay area not refer to his crimes in Vallejo? He described all his other attacks in some detail…yet never touched on his so called Lake Barryesa antics.

Yes. Many consider Vallejo "North Bay" and I do believe that to be the case.