I have to agree. At first blush it would seem zodiac was older than Sullivan…the 1941 magazine and the 1939 movie. On the other hand, I’m only 64, but I grew up in the old black and white TV days when the movies we saw on TV were all quite old. I think at the time, they had to be at least 10 years old before they were allowed to show them on TV…at least that’s what I was told at the time. Anyway, I remember watching Charlie Chan movies on television. I had no idea they were already 20+ years old when I saw them because we were not wealthy enough to go to a lot of movies at the theater, so I wasn’t exposed to many current films.

What I’m getting at is that Zodiac’s interest in stuff like this doesn’t mean he’s contemporary with the magazines or films. I remember reading magazines like that, which were likely just as old because my mother would often pick up a box of old books or magazines at garage sales or auctions for maybe 25 cents and bring them home to read.

Agreed. And good point. I’m 9 years younger but remember those Charlie Chan movies. There was a used book store here in my town I used to frequent when I was a kid, with a quarter you could leave with a whole armload of old comics and magazines.

This comic/magazine connection is strong, I’d say. That get up he wore at LB looks like something a comic book villain would wear. I’d venture Zodiac saw himself as such, inspired by those old images he saw and books he read.

Even with "The Mikado" there were contemporary links. Two movies (1939 and 1967). Some comments I’ve read on various sites seem to imply Zodiac had a degree of sophistication because he quoted "The Mikado" but I think the availability of the movies suggest you didn’t have to be well read to be aware of the story.

Being new to this in depth look at the Zodiac I have been reading through older threads here seeing what others have already found. I saw this thread last night about and old Detective Magazine story with a killer who called himself Z and made phone calls saying "this is Z speaking". Very interesting if you are not aware of it, as I was.

The thread

viewtopic.php?f=96&t=3424

Link to the actual magazine, story starts on page 36

http://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=37092

Thanks Texas21 an R Vance. There was so much more…

In regards to the detective magazines and "This is the Z speaking"…I will reserve further comment until after the next episode. jic

Also, in regards to the Mikado, please see this thread: viewtopic.php?f=62&t=216

After pausing the show at the end when it is showing clips from next weeks episode you can see what Craig has for his partial solution, maybe there is more that will be revealed during the show next week. Anyone can pause for themselves and see what is there.

I am not impressed but I am hoping there is more to be revealed.

From the top – his solution appears to be:

Here it is I Kill
both night and day I live
by the gun barrel (spelled barel) aim
So quit wishing for game to be over pigis

The television show has some good points and some bad points, but overall I think that it is beneficial because it brings interest to the case. It was really nice to see some of the information about Ross Sullivan, and to see some new members including people who are interested in helping to solve the 340. The format of the show is so that it will appeal to the History Channel audience, and for some of us probably leaves out a lot of more important details. I think that this case is so interesting that a show with another, more detailed focus on some of the other facts would be a good idea. I like the forensic science shows, and America’s Most Wanted. Someone could make a more serious show like those and delve into more detail, leaving out some of the bogus information like the Donna Lass poster, and it would be a very successful work. It is interesting to see Tahoe and doranchak on the show. I would like a show that takes things a little bit slower and spends more time with the more knowledgeable people like them, getting into more detail and getting to the actual facts that we do know. In other words, another format could be just if not much more successful. Somebody out there probably knows who Zodiac really was, and maybe the show will help them decide to tell.

After pausing the show at the end when it is showing clips from next weeks episode you can see what Craig has for his partial solution, maybe there is more that will be revealed during the show next week. Anyone can pause for themselves and see what is there.

I am not impressed but I am hoping there is more to be revealed.

From the top – his solution appears to be:

Here it is I Kill
both night and day I live
by the gun barrel (spelled barel) aim
So quit wishing for game to be over pigis

Yes I see that better now, I was having a hard time making out if that was a misspelling of barrel and if it was GUN or GIN before that. The way you stated it makes a better read but you can see the symbol G is deciphered as an O in the word BOTH and then deciphered as a B in the word BAREL. That is not the only instance of that happening. If you plug the info you read into the webtoy you will see what I mean. There is more than one occasion where a given symbol has been deciphered to at least 2 letters of the alphabet.

You can also see how the P for PIG is placed between the columns and the E for GAME at the end of his solution being outside the 17th column. Again, Craig may have taken into account of Z being a poor speller and making mistakes, even seeming to leave out some words in the 408.

I am still hoping the code team nailed it and reveal more, when I first tried to read it and noted the issues I mentioned above I was a bit discouraged. I feel better about it now after thinking about Z making mistakes as he did in the 408.

If you care to check it by plugging it into the webtoy, please let me know if I am mistaken. Perhaps Craig took into account that may be a result of Z screwing up his cipher when encrypting it as he did with the 408 by getting confused and using a similar symbol that was incorrect???

Her family and Harvey Hines (a former detective who researched her case) created it post late-1997 after the area code change to (530). They were active in South Lake Tahoe at the time doing research and working with the SLTPD.

Probably in 2001: https://www.tahoedailytribune.com/news/ … years-ago/

Wait, so the lass family and Harvey Hines created a missing person poster for donna with a cipher included on it?

Her family and Harvey Hines (a former detective who researched her case) created it post late-1997 after the area code change to (530). They were active in South Lake Tahoe at the time doing research and working with the SLTPD.

Probably in 2001: https://www.tahoedailytribune.com/news/ … years-ago/

Wait, so the lass family and Harvey Hines created a missing person poster for donna with a cipher included on it?

Yes, Donna’s sister and nephew created it. As has been said about the poster, the area code in the phone number did not exist until 1997, the reward amount was quite high to have been offered back in the 70s, the typical reward back then would have been in the $500-$1000 range and I believe it was Glurk who noticed the font of the text on the poster was a font found on something that was computer generated.

Harvey Hines suspect was Larry Cane, Larry Cane live in the South Lake Tahoe area at that time and until his death.

I have enjoyed the show, even though it feels a bit like a TV version of a glossy magazine, because it is pretty watchable stuff. I don’t think either Kane or Sullivan is the Zodiac, and am not even certain they committed the Lass or Bates killings, so it was kinda strange to see them following these avenues. It was interesting that they dropped Sullivan after episode 1, almost as if they got the DNA results and knew it wasn’t him, so moved on to Kane.

I also think this will be the start of something where they will do another series next year as well.

And now, after reading this thread, I am left wondering which episode/segment Tahoe was on! Can someone clue me in please?

I have enjoyed the show, even though it feels a bit like a TV version of a glossy magazine, because it is pretty watchable stuff. I don’t think either Kane or Sullivan is the Zodiac, and am not even certain they committed the Lass or Bates killings, so it was kinda strange to see them following these avenues. It was interesting that they dropped Sullivan after episode 1, almost as if they got the DNA results and knew it wasn’t him, so moved on to Kane.

I also think this will be the start of something where they will do another series next year as well.

And now, after reading this thread, I am left wondering which episode/segment Tahoe was on! Can someone clue me in please?

Episode 4…she was the one towards the end of the program showing the guys the old detective magazines and the comics.

I solved it 340, and Richard M. "Nikson" was Zodiac.. ha! Misspelling the presidents name would be something I could see Z doing though.

Richard Grinell pointed out that Nixon was the 37th president. 37 kills. Hmm. He also noted that Nixon was president from 1969 until 1974, which lines up. Could there really be something to this??

I figured that out, too, and he also, drumroll, represented the 12 District of CA from 47-51. OK, so back then it represented eastern LA, it now is SF!

But then there is the whole Ross Sullivan thing- claiming Binghamton is a stones throw to Albany (whats over 2 hours between friends?) so clearly Ross had a distinct Albany connection? Nixon moved to NYC, that is closer to Albany! And for anyone who doesn’t know, Albany is the State Capital, not NYC.

I have found the show as a whole highly entertaining. I would say its a complete waste except for 2 things- I entertain my husband with a running commentary on their "discoveries…

…and the only new fact I never remember hearing was that the empty houses between where CJB was killed was used for library overflow and storage. Is this true??? The librarian they interviewed said that, which makes me wonder about where the desk was found. That could hint at Ross writing it, but they also made it sound like no one knew the houses were empty except library employees since they were using it- thus the perfect place for an ambush???

SMH, was hoping for more but maybe that one nugget will happen?

-m

I solved it 340, and Richard M. "Nikson" was Zodiac.. ha! Misspelling the presidents name would be something I could see Z doing though.

Richard Grinell pointed out that Nixon was the 37th president. 37 kills. Hmm. He also noted that Nixon was president from 1969 until 1974, which lines up. Could there really be something to this??

I figured that out, too, and he also, drumroll, represented the 12 District of CA from 47-51. OK, so back then it represented eastern LA, it now is SF!

But then there is the whole Ross Sullivan thing- claiming Binghamton is a stones throw to Albany (whats over 2 hours between friends?) so clearly Ross had a distinct Albany connection? Nixon moved to NYC, that is closer to Albany! And for anyone who doesn’t know, Albany is the State Capital, not NYC.

I have found the show as a whole highly entertaining. I would say its a complete waste except for 2 things- I entertain my husband with a running commentary on their "discoveries…

…and the only new fact I never remember hearing was that the empty houses between where CJB was killed was used for library overflow and storage. Is this true??? The librarian they interviewed said that, which makes me wonder about where the desk was found. That could hint at Ross writing it, but they also made it sound like no one knew the houses were empty except library employees since they were using it- thus the perfect place for an ambush???

SMH, was hoping for more but maybe that one nugget will happen?

-m

I have a book on the history of RCC, it states that the house closest to the Quad building was used as the library annex and the
library employees called it "Harvard" (some people mistakenly refer to the main library as the library annex).

I read somewhere that the next house over was used as the "black student union", but I have not been able to confirm this.

There was more than just two houses that were vacant, the entire square block of houses were vacant (about a dozen houses)
The college needed the land for their expansion plans and used eminent domain to force the home owners to sell their homes
to RCC, this had taken place a few weeks or months before the murder.

I’ve read two things regarding the location of the desk top poem, some say it was found in the library and others say it was
found in the library storage room. if it was found in the storage room that would make Ross an even stronger suspect because
as an employee he would have had access to the storage room !

Nice to see Michael Bates last night. Wish there was more like that offered on the program.

Looking forward to a deeper explanation of the proposed solution to the 340.