It’s not really "their" review…just something said I had never heard before, although it’s probably been said at one point. It’s basically a magazine with a quick rundown of the case. Would be perfect for someone who didn’t really know about it.

It’s not really "their" review…just something said I had never heard before, although it’s probably been said at one point. It’s basically a magazine with a quick rundown of the case. Would be perfect for someone who didn’t really know about it.

Well then I’ll just read the HC card part at Target

Agreed and means they kick the bucket to me to use another phrase.

No I agree, the ad referred to someone dying. Whether it was a legit ad placed by someone who was referring to Fred, who knows. But the timing is notable (as is the probability, I think, that if Fred was involved, there would have been a "partner.")

What I was getting at is, since the History Channel is looking at Sullivan and Kane, IF someone was to bring Manalli into the picture, an angle I think could be worthwhile to investigate would be, could he / did he know either of these guys. Could he have met Kane at the prison he worked at, for instance. And since Kane was a realtor, I thought it would be pretty cool if there as documentary evidence that he had worked with Fred on a real estate transaction. Or, if there were still records of students who took classes from Fred. Angles like that.

I know Occam’s Razor logic points to Z being one individual and I tend to think he was. But, again, that would probably rule out Manalli. If we look at Manalli we, in my opinion, need to pair him with someone else, specifically a shooter at BRS and PH. If you take Fred’s writing, use of phrases, etc. and combine that with Kane’s description and mental state, the combination is pretty interesting. A difficult but interesting development would be if these two guys could somehow be linked to each other.

There are so many things that could be considered a coincidence in this case, but for me that personal ad has to be legit. Otherwise what is the point of it? And for it to say "your partner is in deep real estate" just two days after Manalli’s death, it makes perfect sense. Out of all the handwriting ever compared to the Z letters, Manalli’s is the closest. Things he said in letters were similar. I’m 99% certain that this personal ad is right and that Manalli was the "partner." So that raises the following questions:

1. Who was he writing the letters for? For what it’s worth, Graysmith’s book did claim that Manalli and Arthur Leigh Allen knew each other.
2. Who was the Imperial Wizard?
3. Who placed the ad? The initials of "RA" appear at the end of the ad.
4. Was Manalli’s accident really an accident or was there foul play involved?
5. Was this personal ad a threat towards Zodiac?
6. Did Zodiac have a handler? The ad sure makes it seem that way.
7. Was Zodiac in hiding and this RA person was trying to draw him out?

There is a thread on the personal ad already that we can discuss this further, but the point is that the History Channel should test his sister’s DNA before it’s too late.

I agree, especially about the ciphers. If you take his first cipher as an introduction to his capabilities then you have to think they were limited. It isn’t logical to think he made some great leap forward in his coding between the 408 and 340 ciphers. Putting gibberish in would suit his sense of humor but it also would underscore that he wasn’t much of a cryptographer to begin with…

Yep. This strengthens my suspicion that Sullivan was Zodiac. He took cryptography classes but it didn’t make him a bonafide, certified, expert cryptographer, just an amateur. Again, the mental illness aspect fits the bill….in his delusional mind, those classes made him an expert.

Just imagine the rage that consumed him, when Donald Gene and Bettye June Harden cracked 408.

How do we know Ross took cryptography classes? This is the first I have heard of that.

There really isn’t any such thing as a "bonafide, certified, expert cryptographer."

-glurk

I agree, especially about the ciphers. If you take his first cipher as an introduction to his capabilities then you have to think they were limited. It isn’t logical to think he made some great leap forward in his coding between the 408 and 340 ciphers. Putting gibberish in would suit his sense of humor but it also would underscore that he wasn’t much of a cryptographer to begin with…

Yep. This strengthens my suspicion that Sullivan was Zodiac. He took cryptography classes but it didn’t make him a bonafide, certified, expert cryptographer, just an amateur. Again, the mental illness aspect fits the bill….in his delusional mind, those classes made him an expert.

Just imagine the rage that consumed him, when Donald Gene and Bettye June Harden cracked 408.

How do we know Ross took cryptography classes? This is the first I have heard of that.

It was discovered by the History Channel in Dave Peterson’s files.

Was it actually found he took classes, or did he just write a paper? I remember seeing it written about a "paper", but I thought "classes" was added in. I’d have to go back and look. Anyone remember?

The guys on this show have not come up with anything new. Nobody is sure how many he killed. Trying to tie the So. Cal. and Tahoe deals together, missing a Tahoe body. No body, No murder. If you take only what is known facts about the case it is pretty much an empty bag, I think. He uses a mask then no mask. Can’t decide on gun or knife. Is he killing couples or singles, Both. Male or Female both, Maybe kids, no only threat. Bomb ? Only threat. The shows computer and cipher experts are not getting far either. I’m to the point that I think the Zodiac is unable to make a plan and stick with it. He can’t decide what kind of person he wants to be. Kidnapper and murder ? He tried that too. Fail, I might add. Cipher Genius ? I am to believe he is smarter than the worlds experts and a computer. The cards and letters have been no help finding him, taunting with no chance of payoff no skill needed for that . He may have screwed up the ciphers other than the first one, that turned out to be not that hard to solve. He might just be a random knucklehead the most dangerous Game to catch. Oh,did he only call once on the phone I can’t remember.

Originally posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:17 am

Was it actually found he took classes, or did he just write a paper? I remember seeing it written about a "paper", but I thought "classes" was added in. I’d have to go back and look. Anyone remember?

He turned in a paper on cryptography. How we know this I am not certain, someone in the Library? If we had that paper it would connect a few dots, which is an understatement.

Was it actually found he took classes, or did he just write a paper? I remember seeing it written about a "paper", but I thought "classes" was added in. I’d have to go back and look. Anyone remember?

He turned in a paper on cryptography. How we know this I am not certain, someone in the Library? If we had that paper it would connect a few dots, which is an understatement.

I thought all they said was he checked out a lot of cryptology books, along with poetry books.

Was it actually found he took classes, or did he just write a paper? I remember seeing it written about a "paper", but I thought "classes" was added in. I’d have to go back and look. Anyone remember?

I watched the episode again, Dave Peterson’s notes said: "As a 1-A English student, he had submitted a research paper on
cryptography and also had researched different types of printing."

Later in the episode they said he took cryptography classes.

Was it actually found he took classes, or did he just write a paper? I remember seeing it written about a "paper", but I thought "classes" was added in. I’d have to go back and look. Anyone remember?

I watched the episode again, Dave Peterson’s notes said: "As a 1-A English student, he had submitted a research paper on
cryptography and also had researched different types of printing."

Later in the episode they said he took cryptography classes.

Yes, that note was a letter Peterson sent to Capt. Leroy Gren of RPD thanking him and Bud Kelley for interviews. In the letter, Peterson relays a few things told to him by people on the RCC campus who were convinced Ross was involved in Cheri’s murder. One of the things they mentioned was the quote above about the crypto research paper.

Was it actually found he took classes, or did he just write a paper? I remember seeing it written about a "paper", but I thought "classes" was added in. I’d have to go back and look. Anyone remember?

I watched the episode again, Dave Peterson’s notes said: "As a 1-A English student, he had submitted a research paper on
cryptography and also had researched different types of printing."

Later in the episode they said he took cryptography classes.

Thanks for checking monarch

I am wondering if they assume he took classes because he wrote a paper. I can write a research paper about bugs, but it doesn’t mean I took a class in Entomology. Not to say it wouldn’t be a valuable tool if one wanted to create a cipher–especially if we consider the 408.

I can tell you right now that if he took classes in cryptography he didn’t take them at RCC. Most likely he submitted a paper on the subject.

I can tell you right now that if he took classes in cryptography he didn’t take them at RCC. Most likely he submitted a paper on the subject.

If he chose to submit a research paper on cryptography it must have been something he was very interested in.