Well,odd enough, he just died in March2013 in Oklahoma
He actually died living in California. Oakhurst, CA
http://www.tributes.com/show/Robert-H.-West-95439012
Also lived in the San Jose area.
Milpitas Church of Christ
450 Wool Drive
408-262-4646 Preacher: Bob West
Services: Bible classes, 9:30 a.m.; worship, 10:45 a.m. and 6 p.m.
Some writings by Bob West: http://www.biblepage.org/mmenu.html
Interesting T.
One particular article he writes is kind of interesting ‘Flee Fornication’. He writes the following:
"Everyone can see that as the standards of morality decline in society, this has an impact among those who are children of God. That the practice of fornication has increased among young people in recent years, is a fact that few would deny. There are no "magical formulas" for parents and young folks with which to solve the problem. The fact that the words "fornication," "adultery," and related terms are used so frequently in the Bible should give us a clue as to the seriousness of the subject. These words are found no less than 92 times in the New Testament. By comparison, the words "murder," "killing," etc., are found only 32 times. That, in itself, should tell the sincere child of God why we should "flee fornication"
It almost sounds there as if he is implying that fornication and/or adultery is a sin worse than murder. He continues:
"The point is, that the consequence of some sins, in this life, are more disastrous than others. Such is the case with fornication. Right out front, it involves two people. In fact, it could well involve more than two, if one or both of the fornicators are married. I can cite you more than one example where a single act of fornication has affected the lives of literally dozens of people in the wake of broken homes, broken hearts, bitterness, guilt-related neurosis, etc. The consequences of this sin cannot be minimized."
Hmm, you can read into that in more than one way I suppose. He does attempt to use a rather odd analogy when he is attempting to dismiss the excuses given for consenting sexual partners. He states: "Most civilized people have come to understand that dueling is still murder, even though both parties have "consented" to the duel." I see what he’s attempting to convey there that Consenting to be party to an act does not automatically mean the act itself is justifiable, acceptable or right. He is overlooking a slight difference in the analogy and the point of sexual sin and that is this: Nobody willingly consents to sex knowing that by the end of the encounter, one of the two consenting partners will be dead
"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.
A guy who spent time counting how many times the words "adultery" and "fornication" are used in the new testament eh? Very odd.
WC, re: "Nobody willingly consents to sex knowing that by the end of the encounter, one of the two consenting partners will be dead" – you’ve forgotten spiders.
I am glad that you have posted this wonderful find !
I see it the same way as you did , you requested the name that the 8 yr old gave to SFPD, so why it would be a different suspect would be pretty remote. Reguardless , it is a name none of us have seen before. I do hope that you will get the other names as well ? Being stationed in southern Caif., gives him knowlage of that area, that is important.
He may be the Zodiac, then again he may not, but the idea that his first name is "Robert" , fits into what I have always felt the Zodiac’s first name would be. (Due to clues I have read and heard.)
Glad to see you back, I have always enjoyed your posts. Still trying to find a school picture of Robert H. West, no luck so far. His wife is Shirley, looks like he had a step son and daughter? For those of you looking for more info on Robert , there are other Robert H West’s , one being Robt Henry West, so don’t be mislead. If someone can find a high school picture, that would be good, I have searched the past few days, haven’t found it yet .
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Unless you can dig up a link between Mr. West and PH at the time, I think it is much more likely that Mr. West’s name just happened to be at the top of the list. That is IMHO. It would make a lot more sense for an eight year-old to recognize a neighbor than a military preacher, but that is again IMHO. The only name on the list of an individual that comes from SF is placed directly above the reference to this kid’s ID of a possible suspect. That would make sense in terms of context. It is a short name, regardless.
This info comes from the SFPD files, not from the FBI, so the SFPD should have these records.
Mike
Mike Rodelli
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In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer, a second edition in print format. 4.3 Amazon stars and great Editorial reviews. Twitter:@mikerodelli
I agree with that assessment Mike. It may even be the name of your suspect who also has a short name. I know you are familiar with the three kids who lived at the home and phoned in the crime, was one of them eight years old at the time? Were there other kids at that home at the time of the crime besides the kids that lived there?
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I have no idea who else was there besides the three we know about (and none of those was as young as 8 year-old). They are not anxious to talk about this stuff nowadays but I may ask my friend Jim to try to reach out to them to learn if the 8 year-old was with them and not in some other home, and if so, if they will divulge the name.
Mike
Mike Rodelli
Author, The Hunt for Zodiac; 3.9 stars on Amazon and
In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer, a second edition in print format. 4.3 Amazon stars and great Editorial reviews. Twitter:@mikerodelli
Thank you Mike!
I just realized that I have been reading a part of this document wrong. The document says
"Robert Hale West, WMA, DOB nine two thirty five, reportedly in the U.S. Marine Corps nineteen fiftyseven-fiftynine, Camp Pendleton, California."
It was the spelling out of the dates that threw me, I think. West was in the Marines in 1957-59, not at the time of the Stine murder. There is no residence city named for him. Just thought I would acknowledge that mistake.
Although that does not change my opinion as to whether or not West was the name of the person who was named by the eight year old witness.
Tahoe pointed out that in the portion of the document that says who the eight year old named was still redacted. Mike R observed that the person who lived in SF and whose name is redacted directly above the mention of the eight year old is a more logical choice. I concur with both.
A guy who spent time counting how many times the words "adultery" and "fornication" are used in the new testament eh? Very odd.
WC, re: "Nobody willingly consents to sex knowing that by the end of the encounter, one of the two consenting partners will be dead" – you’ve forgotten spiders.
My apologies Smithy, you are correct. Doesn’t the female of one particular species of arachnid kill and eat the male after they consummate their relationship? The discovery channel likes to make these things known to it’s viewers. Obviously a feminist running the channel over there…lol.
But there is a species out there that science still doesn’t understand really, and this species also seems to do similar to that of the aforementioned feminist arachnid, this species is called ‘sado masochistic.’ This is a species of human that seems to enjoy strangling their partners and/or themselves being strangled into unconsciousness during the act of sex. Members of Parliament have even been discovered deceased fully clad in leather outfit, rubber mask and rope around neck. These are the people whom run our Country! Lol.
"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.
I just realized that I have been reading a part of this document wrong. The document says
"Robert Hale West, WMA, DOB nine two thirty five, reportedly in the U.S. Marine Corps nineteen fiftyseven-fiftynine, Camp Pendleton, California."
It was the spelling out of the dates that threw me, I think. West was in the Marines in 1957-59, not at the time of the Stine murder. There is no residence city named for him. Just thought I would acknowledge that mistake.
Although that does not change my opinion as to whether or not West was the name of the person who was named by the eight year old witness.
Tahoe pointed out that in the portion of the document that says who the eight year old named was still redacted. Mike R observed that the person who lived in SF and whose name is redacted directly above the mention of the eight year old is a more logical choice. I concur with both.
No Seagull you may well have been correct. Tahoe pointed out something that I’d overlooked and that is, if West was the person named by the youth then why is the name of the suspect still redacted on page two of the document?
"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.
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I have no idea who else was there besides the three we know about (and none of those was as young as 8 year-old). They are not anxious to talk about this stuff nowadays but I may ask my friend Jim to try to reach out to them to learn if the 8 year-old was with them and not in some other home, and if so, if they will divulge the name.
Mike
Please do, Mike. Anything you, or anyone else can add to any part of the Zodiac case/mystery I, and i’m sure everyone else, will appreciate.
"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.
Yesterday I sent another FOIA request (The FBI will probably file a lawsuit against me soon for harassment lol) this time asking for all names and suspect details in this document to be released should any of the other three be found exempt from the Privacy Act (Or to put it more simply, if they are dead).
They have already acknowledged receipt of the request…
"Dear Mr. Lewis,
The FBI has received your Freedom of Information Act/Privacy (FOIPA) request and
it will be forwarded to Initial Processing for review. Your request will be
processed under the provisions of FOIPA and a response will be mailed to you at
a later date."
The letter ends: Thank you for your latest FOIA Request, now will you please go away! Lol.
"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.
Yesterday I sent another FOIA request (The FBI will probably file a lawsuit against me soon for harassment lol) this time asking for all names and suspect details in this document to be released should any of the other three be found exempt from the Privacy Act (Or to put it more simply, if they are dead).
They have already acknowledged receipt of the request…
"Dear Mr. Lewis,
The FBI has received your Freedom of Information Act/Privacy (FOIPA) request and
it will be forwarded to Initial Processing for review. Your request will be
processed under the provisions of FOIPA and a response will be mailed to you at
a later date."The letter ends: Thank you for your latest FOIA Request, now will you please go away! Lol.
Those replies could well be automated. As such, it could be a case of man vs machine … poor machine lol.
Well if Mr X is one of the named suspects, his name can now be released in the documents because I just googled him, "Mr X Dies Nov. 2, 2013 aged 94!!
"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.