The Zodiac was never going to give you his name which ever way he encodes it on the premise it could be discovered by a genius. There’s just no way that would happen.
You’re probably dealing with a sociopath and psychopath combined and any professional will tell you they never do anything which will allow their real persona to be discovered. As for the investigations by the FBI concerning links between the Manson’s and the Zodiac let me remind you of a few things.
I’ve studied a lot of famous cases and the one that sticks in my mind is the Yorkshire ripper.
Peter Sutcliffe murdered 13 women in the 70’s and 80’s. During the period of investigation by the police, Sutcliffe was interviewed no less than four times, one of the interviews concerned a bank note found at the scene traced to his wage packet yet he continued to slip through their fingers and murder women.
One of the reasons he wasn’t considered was because of a red herring sent to the police by an idiot. It was a tape which convinced the police the ripper was from the north east of England. That tape cost lives.
It only takes one red herring to screw up an entire case, just one.
The FBI need to revisit the Manson connection. I’m not saying the Zodiac is in the Manson family, I’m saying there is a connection someone’s missed.
"The Zodiac was never going to give you his name which ever way he encodes it on the premise it could be discovered by a genius. There’s just no way that would happen."
On this I agree. Interesting stuff.
"The Zodiac was never going to give you his name which ever way he encodes it on the premise it could be discovered by a genius. There’s just no way that would happen."
On this I agree. Interesting stuff.
And that my friend is the red herring that’s standing in the way.
My boyfriend finally explained the "aen" was "nae" which he’d spelled like leapfrog and went on to say it was what married women used before their maiden name as in an obituary notice. I then had to correct him (lol) by telling him that was "nee.": (There is an accent needed over 1st "e" which I don’t know how to type.) He said it meant "born into the world" which I could then see but never would have guessed due to his honest misspelling. (Normally he was good speller.)
Then the MK he said stood for his middle name which was his mother’s maiden name (which I don’t wish to publicize). He said the three eights equaled the year of his birth which was 1938 and then something about him being behind the eight ball.
So he said he was born into the world (by/with mother’s maiden name but used only two of those initials. Name is Scottish descent btw.) in the year 1938 and was behind the eight ball. (He was from the mid-west and used lots of typical expressions of the time.)
The circle around the eight was representing the ball (as best I can remember).
This is as far as I can go as the rest of it (symbols and letters) represent his last name which is contained in a very famous literary composition. The eights in the circle were what caught my eye and after thinking and staring at them all of a sudden hit me as they were a clue to this famous literary work (which we’d both read in school). When this memory came, I stopped reading and immediately googled the work and found his name there so I knew my memory was correct even after so many years!
He used symbols for letters and then spelled using a juxtaposition of them as you’d play in leapfrog.
My boyfriend finally explained the "aen" was "nae" which he’d spelled like leapfrog and went on to say it was what married women used before their maiden name as in an obituary notice. I then had to correct him (lol) by telling him that was "nee.": (There is an accent needed over 1st "e" which I don’t know how to type.) He said it meant "born into the world" which I could then see but never would have guessed due to his honest misspelling. (Normally he was good speller.)
Then the MK he said stood for his middle name which was his mother’s maiden name (which I don’t wish to publicize). He said the three eights equaled the year of his birth which was 1938 and then something about him being behind the eight ball.
So he said he was born into the world (by/with mother’s maiden name but used only two of those initials. Name is Scottish descent btw.) in the year 1938 and was behind the eight ball. (He was from the mid-west and used lots of typical expressions of the time.)
The circle around the eight was representing the ball (as best I can remember).This is as far as I can go as the rest of it (symbols and letters) represent his last name which is contained in a very famous literary composition. The eights in the circle were what caught my eye and after thinking and staring at them all of a sudden hit me as they were a clue to this famous literary work (which we’d both read in school). When this memory came, I stopped reading and immediately googled the work and found his name there so I knew my memory was correct even after so many years!
He used symbols for letters and then spelled using a juxtaposition of them as you’d play in leapfrog.
Consider the letters in the circles are ‘B’ not ‘8’ . They look alike I’m sure but they are ‘B’.
OK, as far as I can see the ciphertext M to plaintext O are definitely from the 340. The three B’s (represented by circles) as far as I’m aware are unique in their context. Can’t remember seeing them in any other cipher. That leaves us the Zodiac sign, E and an upside down T ciphertexts.
I’ve not gone through enough of the solved Z340 to establish anymore but I thought I’d update you, it’s looking very good now.
It’s looking like the Z13 is a combination of the Z408 and Z340 keys with additions from perhaps other ciphers. It could actually give us a clue to the base of Z408 and as well as other unsolved ciphers.
I’m liking the way this is going.
I had guessed that was an upside down "T" as well but he said it was not. I finally guessed what it was IIRC and then he told me it was a hint to the first four letters of his last name. The last name is Scandanavian.
Why are you convinced that Zodiac left clues to his identity?
“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
– Geoffrey Chaucer
Bobby Beausoleil for the z13 solve… I just don’t see it. Is it possible? Sure. Not only was he with the Manson family, but he also had some serious ties with occultists and Satanists such as Kenneth Anger. That doesn’t prove anything but it is something to maybe look into.
For once I do agree with Tom though. Please do not state opinions as facts. It is an interesting theory, but not proof of anything. I hope you keep working at it though because, who knows, maybe you are right.
A few minutes ago on a toilet not very far, far away….
I take it there was a Manson connection being discussed? My sense about the Manson Family is that their crimes were not especially clandestine among the members. Given the number of people who have left the cult over the years, wouldn’t we know if there had been a Zodiac connection?
Zodiac is mentioned in one of the Manson family letters iirc.
Zodiac is mentioned in one of the Manson family letters iirc.
Which one? You might be thinking of the Channel 9 hoax letter.
No, different. It was from one Manson member to another I believe. Read this, towards the bottom. I remember seeing the letter, hand written, long, the zodiac was only a brief mention. Don’t know if it’s still online, try searching.. could be BS or a fake, no idea.
