"I did not say that the Exorcist letter was a fake". With respect Mike, I didn’t say you did. Can you show me where I said that.
How can I revise my review on your book when I’ve never reviewed it.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/
“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.
"Very VERY irresponsible on the part of whoever leaked this to Tom at this point of the investigation."
It appears the Vallejo Police Department has had its share of misconduct? recently?
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Val … 686566.php
Selected Excerpts Below
March 13th, 2019
Vallejo police chief announces retirement in wake of protests, concerns over police conduct
"Vallejo Police Chief Andrew Bidou announced his retirement Wednesday amid growing criticism of the Police Department’s conduct just over a month after officers killed a local man in a Taco Bell drive-thru"
"Vallejo police were scrutinized in 2015 when police officials wrongfully accused Denise Huskins, 33, and now-husband Aaron Quinn, 34, of lying about a kidnapping-for-ransom incident the couple said they experienced at the hands of suspect Matthew Muller. At the time, police officers hosted a news conference in which they said there was no evidence of an abduction."
"In 2017, Vallejo police killed 21-year-old Angel Ramos as he struggled with a teen at a house party. Police said Ramos was armed with a knife, but Ramos’ family told The Chronicle he was not armed."
"This year, the department was again met with community protests after six Vallejo police officers shot and killed a local man who had been passed out behind the wheel of a vehicle in a Taco Bell drive-through line on Feb. 9."
Though I appreciate VPD’s dedication to the Zodiac case, there has been some disgusting misconduct on their force in recent years.
It might explain why, from the beginning, there was speculation about Zodiac being a crooked VPD officer.
And if they have questionable ethics, it could explain an insider leak on DNA to Tom.
Concluding that some police misconduct in recent years somehow relates to the VPD staff of 50 years ago is absurd. And just because there are protests after an officer involved death doesnt necessarily mean the killing wasnt justified. People will protest regardless of the circumstances.
Zodiac may have been a cop but to deride an entire police department spanning five decades because of a few bad apples (which there are in every line of work) is illogical and unfair.
I was not trying to convey there was 50 years of corruption.
According to Tom at his message board. Chief Andrew Bidou gave the okay for him to enter the evidence Room at VPD.
It also appears Andrew Bidou is related to Pierre Bidou who worked the Zodiac Lake Herman Road attack back in 1968.
I regret using rash language. Most officers are honorable. VPD has been committed to the Zodiac case despite limited resources.
My point was, LE can be imperfect and questionable conduct could have resulted in a leak about a DNA breakthrough, if there is one.
"I did not say that the Exorcist letter was a fake". With respect Mike, I didn’t say you did. Can you show me where I said that.
How can I revise my review on your book when I’ve never reviewed it.
Hi,
I apologize about the review. It is on a website that says it is inspired by you but I guess it is not your website.
As for your comments about running the profile from the 1974/78 letters, why would you want them to run it if they already know it is from a forger? You must have some level of confidence that the DNA from Z. Otherwise, why would you ask them to waste their time and money comparing it to anything? Maybe I just need a better explanation of what you are saying.
Mike
Mike Rodelli
Author, The Hunt for Zodiac; 3.9 stars on Amazon and
In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer, a second edition in print format. 4.3 Amazon stars and great Editorial reviews. Twitter:@mikerodelli
I regret using rash language. My point was, LE can be imperfect and questionable conduct could have resulted in a leak about a DNA breakthrough, if there is one.
There is no leak. The announcement about DNA being found on the two stamps was almost a year ago. I’m not sure why a lot of people think this is something that is just now happening.
A few minutes ago on a toilet not very far, far away….
No.
They have had DNA for 50 years
Yes. That’s my point. The whole announcement was very vague and confusing. I assumed it was the fact that they had recovered a complete DNA profile from the stamps with which to enter into GedMatch.
Let’s say that this assumption is accurate. If they have Zodiac’s complete DNA profile now, they can upload it to GedMatch. It takes 24 to 48 hours to receive a genealogy report from the website. If any relative are found, then the detective work begins. For reference, it too police 4 months from the time the GSK DNA profile was uploaded to his arrest. So, if the Zodiac case proceeds with similar efficiency, we should be looking at an arrest (if the suspect is alive) by July/August. If the Zodiac is dead, it might be impossible to verify his identity using GedMatch.
This is actually how one can “tell” if it’s law enforcement uploading a profile, They often by some special means get priority in processing times which result in odd dates appearing if you catch it in time. They can hide the profile they upload but not the links it produces.
Yes, dyslexia is probably my first undiagnosed language.
And to be bluntly honest, i think there has been another profile relating to Z for several weeks. which i’ve alluded to at the cost of nauseating everyone else.
Yes, dyslexia is probably my first undiagnosed language.
"I did not say that the Exorcist letter was a fake". With respect Mike, I didn’t say you did. Can you show me where I said that.
How can I revise my review on your book when I’ve never reviewed it.
Hi,
I apologize about the review. It is on a website that says it is inspired by you but I guess it is not your website.
As for your comments about running the profile from the 1974/78 letters, why would you want them to run it if they already know it is from a forger? You must have some level of confidence that the DNA from Z. Otherwise, why would you ask them to waste their time and money comparing it to anything? Maybe I just need a better explanation of what you are saying.
Mike
I, like you, likely believe it is the Exorcist letter and the 1978 letter that are the letters that match. It is not certain, but since the Exorcist letter was the only 1974 letter shown to have been tested in the 2000 SFPD report, it is a fair conclusion. I don’t believe any of the 1974 letters are from Zodiac. The Badlands and Phantom correspondence were seemingly never tested and the S.L.A didn’t even feature in the report. That shows the level of confidence they have in those three communications. I share that confidence. This leaves the Exorcist letter, which for me, must be the communication Alan Keel is alluding to as the forgery.
If anybody else on this forum does believe wholeheartedly that the Exorcist letter is genuine, then because this is the likely communication that produced a full profile (based on the report), then these people should be arguing for the Exorcist letter to be the one used in GEDmatch. For people believing in the Exorcist letter as genuine Zodiac material (not me), they should be of the opinion that we already have a full Z profile, based upon the likely conclusions you and I have drawn from the Keel statement. In essence, I am not calling for these 1974 letters (or even 78 letter) to be used, but others should be if they believe them to be genuine, as at least two produced a full profile. I hope that clarifies my position.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/
“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.
If the Zodiac is dead, it might be impossible to verify his identity using GedMatch.
If the Zodiac is dead and he is not a known suspect, they could likely solve it circumstantially if they get into the family tree.
If he’s dead and is a known suspect, it should be a slam dunk if they get into the family tree.
Gaikowski for example is already in Gedmatch – presumably not for his DNA but for being a part of a family tree. So if anyone in the tree’s DNA matches to DNA from the envelopes, it’s an easy trace.
If the Zodiac is dead, it might be impossible to verify his identity using GedMatch.
If the Zodiac is dead and he is not a known suspect, they could likely solve it circumstantially if they get into the family tree.
If he’s dead and is a known suspect, it should be a slam dunk if they get into the family tree.
Gaikowski for example is already in Gedmatch – presumably not for his DNA but for being a part of a family tree. So if anyone in the tree’s DNA matches to DNA from the envelopes, it’s an easy trace.
I am pretty sure Gaikowski was born in Watertown SD and not Webster SD.
By the way, Jerry Brudos (aka "The Lust Killer" – Ann Rice Book) and Tom Brokaw (former NBC News Anchor) were born in Webster SD.
When police zeroed in on DeAngelo as the GSK, they verified their suspicioons by secretly collecting other DNA from him. They then ran his DNA directly against the DNA of the GSK, and obviously it was a match. If DeAngelo had died, they would not be able to collect any further DNA to verify. Yes, they could have built a very strong circumstantial case, but it wouldn’t be a 100% slam dunk DNA match. The Zodiac case would be the same way.
“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
– Geoffrey Chaucer
When police zeroed in on DeAngelo as the GSK, they verified their suspicioons by secretly collecting other DNA from him. They then ran his DNA directly against the DNA of the GSK, and obviously it was a match. If DeAngelo had died, they would not be able to collect any further DNA to verify. Yes, they could have built a very strong circumstantial case, but it wouldn’t be a 100% slam dunk DNA match. The Zodiac case would be the same way.
If the suspect is dead then there is always the chance that someone has inherited an item of his which might have the suspect’s DNA on it. I know people don’t tend to keep toothbrushes and the like but you’d only need a pair of gloves, hat, watch, ring, etc with some traces on it which could be checked in a lab for DNA that matches.
When police zeroed in on DeAngelo as the GSK, they verified their suspicioons by secretly collecting other DNA from him. They then ran his DNA directly against the DNA of the GSK, and obviously it was a match. If DeAngelo had died, they would not be able to collect any further DNA to verify. Yes, they could have built a very strong circumstantial case, but it wouldn’t be a 100% slam dunk DNA match. The Zodiac case would be the same way.
If the suspect is dead then there is always the chance that someone has inherited an item of his which might have the suspect’s DNA on it. I know people don’t tend to keep toothbrushes and the like but you’d only need a pair of gloves, hat, watch, ring, etc with some traces on it which could be checked in a lab for DNA that matches.
True, but you’re assuming a family member would be willing to turn over such an item knowing it might possibly mean a close family member was the most famous serial murderer in American history. If you’re thinking search warrant, I don’t believe a judge would sign off for one with the suspect being deceased.
“Murder will out, this my conclusion.”
– Geoffrey Chaucer
What might be the procedure if Zodiac is dead? Is it something that will still go thru the rigours of courts to end the case?
Yes, dyslexia is probably my first undiagnosed language.
