OK here it goes:

-JBR had signs of vaginal trauma that existed prior to her murder. This suggests she was possibly being sexually groomed for some time before her murder.

-fibers from Patsy Ramsey’s coat were all over JBRs body – sure this might seem like natural transferrence. Except these same fibers were on the sticky side of the duct tape even, in the paintbrush pan, on the garotte. It took Patsy a year to cough up the coat for comparison and when she finally did, she presented a new version of the same coat. Apparently she had trashed the original coat.

-fibers from a shirt made of Israeli material belonging to John were found on JBR, particularly in her genital region and in her hair.

-Patsy had bought Burke the same hightech shoes that were printed in the basement. When asked if she remembered Burke having these shoes, she claimed she had no clue. Really?

– Detective Arndt allowed John to wander all around that house without investigators to look for JBR. It is possible at this time that John was doing something to the basement window to make it appear as if the intruder entered through that access to leave JBRs body. Much of this "searching" without detectives present was done with Fleet White. They both went to the basement and had checked everywhere – even the room JBR was in but didn’t turn on the light to see her. It wasn’t until Arndt allowed John to go search again that John comes up from the basement with JBRs body.

-Then there is the 911 call in which all 3 individuals are heard although Burke was supposedly asleep.

– And also the ransom note bearing many similarities to PR’s handwriting, a note written on stationary from the Ramsey’s home with no foreign prints on it.

-when John brought JBRs body upstairs Patsy waited minutes before coming into the room and making the act of her life – playing like she hadn’t already seen JBRs lifeless body hours before.

– the 911 call the night of the 23 – could have been JBR about to call for help. Was she starting to wise up that she was being sexually abused?? Someone called and then hung up. Sounds like something a kid might even do as a prank – who knows.

I feel like Patsy truly was naive as to how sexualized she was making her daughter out to be – I honestly think Patsy thought it was cute. BUT, that doesn’t mean that a male family member did not recognize the sexualized persona JBR was given for her pageants. I think that John had possibly been grooming JBR sexually – why else would the fibers from his shirt be all over her private area? Maybe Patsy caught John doing something to JBR and in a rage attempted to strike/injur him accidentally dealt the eventual fatal blow to JBRs head (that would have taken an estimated 30 minutes or more for her to die from). During all of this and the cover up perhaps Burke heard the commotion at one point and he was stirred awake. They tell Burke to go back to his room – trying to shield him, but he wants to know what is wrong.. Patsy is distraught, not just Bc she might have accidentally just killed her own daughter, but also Bc at the same moment she realized her husband molesting their own child.
John is aggressive and blames Patsy for what happened to JBR – he convinces her that it would all look wrong and they needed to come up with a scenario as to why she was grievously injured. Patsy writes the ransom note and John dictates its contents to her, but John also realizes that the main concern for him was that it might be found out He had been grooming/molesting JBR prior to the accident and this may be found by an ME/doctor – so he suggests that to make her death appear more deliberate They needed to make it look like a strangulation and tells Patsy what all to grab so he could make a garrote. Perhaps John (without PR being aware) mutilated her genitalia with the crude end of the paintbrush in hopes it may destroy any prior evidence of vaginal trauma he caused (but the ME proved otherwise). Poor Burke is privy to The fact that something was going on and perhaps even stumbled down into the basement during the chaos leaving his footprints, but they are trying to keep him away – telling him he didn’t hear or see anything. He wonders what he is doing wrong. "What did I do?"

Patsy already lost a daughter and found out her husband was a incest ridden pedophile – she was trying everything in her might to keep what was left of her sanity and family intact when covering up the truth that morning. I believe she was in denial about what happened between JBR and John even after everything. I agree with detective Arndt’s conclusion years later that I have sympathy for Patsy. Do I believe she is innocent and didn’t know what happened to JBR? No. But I also think she may have been so distraught upon witnessing something that an accident ensued and a cover up was committed for an even deeper reason than she wanted to admit to herself – and that John made her feel like JBRs death was all her fault, when he was the one that actually caused the conflict resulting in JBRs accidental death. IMO. Here is a video interview of detective Arndt discussing what she witnessed that morning on the scene. It is riveting. Arndt is a controversial figure – she may have withheld important notes from the investigation and didn’t secure the crime scene well enough IMO. But I do take her word for what she witnessed that day and what her opinion was.

http://youtu.be/Y52_gRlI4Ho

http://youtu.be/yl5Ll3sLFs8

Wow check out 10:20 or so into the video and see the interviewer confront Patsy with her handwriting that matched the ransom letter very closely.

Also, in the video John mentions he thinks he broke the window months before in the basement – if that were the case, why allow a ground window to go that long unfixed and why leave the glass there for months? Tons of vermin could get in not to mention dust/snow and one of the kids could have hurt themselves on the glass! The briefcase was left under that window. Really it’s nuts. Reading between the lines on the JBR case today.

Reading now that there is a theory Edward Edwards might have murdered JBR. I find this interesting bc Edward Edwards was said to have a Marietta Police Department Uniform he obtained During the time of the ATL child murders and possibly frequented Marietta, GA – which is the small suburb just outside ATL that JBR was from and buried after her death. Not many people take into account that the Ramsey’s were from Marietta, GA and had not resided in Boulder for very long before JBR’s death.

JBR had said that Santa had come to visit her – supposedly in a literal sense that he had been showing up to see her at the house. At the time Edward Edwards was pretty old and the picture I’ve seen of him (if it is of him) resembles Santa Clause with a pot belly and white beard/stash.

Who knows. Just thought the Marietta/ATL connections were interesting and I’ve been reading theories about Edwards possible involvement in the JBR murder.

I tend to think JBRs family member/s murdered her, but idk… Given Edwards penchant for planting false evidence it’s possible…

I do find Sandy Betts post about seeing pics of JBR online with ciphers under them interesting as well. If Edwards was blogging and taunting the public I could see him doing this. I seem to remember that when Patsy was being questioned (in a transcript) it was brought up that some photos were taken in the laundry room or basement. When asked about the pictures Patsy didn’t know what they were talking about. There was some weird undertone to the subject of the photos as if it was something that investigators were trying to keep confidential. I’ll have to try and source it again and make sure it wasn’t taken out of context. I wonder if those photographs could have anything to do with the pictures of JBR Sandy’s daughter allegedly saw online.

Lol. Pink, do you realize that the last 4 threads you posted in have all been about Edward Edwards in some fashion or another? When I saw the j Ramsey thread I thought no way will I see edward Edwards but sure enough there he is. Lol. Just strikingly funny is all.

Soze

Lol. Pink, do you realize that the last 4 threads you posted in have all been about Edward Edwards in some fashion or another? When I saw the j Ramsey thread I thought no way will I see edward Edwards but sure enough there he is. Lol. Just strikingly funny is all.

Soze

Yeah well I’m reading about Edwards right now so I’m probably going to be talking about him for the time being. Everyone here knows I don’t have a POI. I just note things that interest me while researching. . I’ve also posted about Halbower, Lake, Ng, Bittaker, Norris etc today. Just covering the psychotic bases. Lol

And again I’m getting this Edward Edwards info from the extremely bias Cold Case Cameron site. I’m just now learning this. Woooops

Lol. I got ya.

Soze

Check out the lowercase "q" that look like an "8" in the JonBenet Ramsey ransom note:

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/ … net-Ramsey

And compare it with the lowercase "q" that look like an "8" in the Zodiac killer letter… and also to some extend to my POIs the lowercase "q":

http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/topic/5 … gCnSWTtmko

Add to that that my POI had a VERY close relative who lived less than 5 minutes from The Ramseys at the time of her murder, and on top of it, I have reason to believe that that my POI liked very young girls.

Wow @theforeigner! Very interested in who your POI could be.

I will say the same forensic document examiner who said the Zodiacs writing was not consistent with ALA is the same document examiner that said Patsy couldn’t be the author of the ransom letter.

How random (or was it?) that Lloyd Cunningham worked both the Zodiac and Ramsey cases? He even became good friends with the Ramsey’s – attending church with them and such. He was the first forensic document examiner for the secret service and was a police officer at the scene of the Stine murder.

Lloyd was hired by the Ramsey’s to do the examination so his examination IMO was probably bias.

Im glad to see foreigner back.

Soze

hey foreigner .. do you know if your poi ever lived or stayed with those relatives.. and can you share his initials..

hey foreigner .. do you know if your poi ever lived or stayed with those relatives.. and can you share his initials..

My POI never lived with this relative, but I am sure he visited the relative.
At this time I will not share the initials of my POI.
However I have previous posted several posts of my POIs handwritings both here and on zodiackillerfacts.com

TF, did your POI spend time in Riverside or RCC?

TF, did your POI spend time in Riverside or RCC?

Was wondering the same thing Morf. Friggin mind reader.

TF, did your POI spend time in Riverside or RCC?

I don’t know how much time my POI spent in Riverside and/or RCC but my POI had a significant connection in Riverside that also connected to Cheri Jo Bates, and he had close family in the Riverside area ca 11 miles west of RCC , and ca 8 miles west of CJB’s home address.
He also had a connection to a motorcycle club in Riverside.

TF, did your POI spend time in Riverside or RCC?

I don’t know how much time my POI spent in Riverside and/or RCC but my POI had a significant connection in Riverside that also connected to Cheri Jo Bates, and he had close family in the Riverside area ca 11 miles west of RCC , and ca 8 miles west of CJB’s home address.
He also had a connection to a motorcycle club in Riverside.

Do you know if your Suspect ever owned a skating rink?