Also, TF, I would be interested in seeing more of your Suspect’s writing, but not letters that have been picked out and compared to Zodiac’s, but rather a whole block of their writing, or a paragraph written by them etc. Hopefully that’s something you can share

Also, TF, I would be interested in seeing more of your Suspect’s writing, but not letters that have been picked out and compared to Zodiac’s, but rather a whole block of their writing, or a paragraph written by them etc. Hopefully that’s something you can share

Skating rink? no.

Your other request, sorry but no.

Also, TF, I would be interested in seeing more of your Suspect’s writing, but not letters that have been picked out and compared to Zodiac’s, but rather a whole block of their writing, or a paragraph written by them etc. Hopefully that’s something you can share

Skating rink? no.

Your other request, sorry but no.

I see some similarities, but some differences too. I have to remain skeptical of stuff that isn’t shared openly for the viewer to decide for themselves, but rather picked and choosed what will be shared.(Like the way we posted tons of unedited writing from Fred Manalli) I hope you understand that.

Also, TF, I would be interested in seeing more of your Suspect’s writing, but not letters that have been picked out and compared to Zodiac’s, but rather a whole block of their writing, or a paragraph written by them etc. Hopefully that’s something you can share

Skating rink? no.

Your other request, sorry but no.

I see some similarities, but some differences too. I have to remain skeptical of stuff that isn’t shared openly for the viewer to decide for themselves, but rather picked and choosed what will be shared.(Like the way we posted tons of unedited writing from Fred Manalli) I hope you understand that.

I have no problem with you, or anyone else for that matter, being sceptical concerning my POI.

For what it’s worth, I don’t think the letter left at the Ramsey crime scene was written by Z, nor was her killer Z. But the case is fascinating for sure. As I recall, the letter demanded $118,000 ransom, which was the same amount Mr Ramsey was to get for a bonus. If true, seems there’s no way that amount is a coincidence, and that the list of people that would know that amount would be a small list.
Possibilities:

1) Mr or Mrs Ramsey,I guess this was explored to no end

2)Somebody at Mr Ramsey’s company that had access to payroll,etc

3)Somebody that the Ramsey’s may have told.

I don’t see how a total stranger who was not at all known to the Family,would my some miracle, ask for the exact amount of Mr Ramsey’s bonus,unless they had found a record of it going thru the trash,etc

I also don’t think the Ramseys are guilty, just my own thought. On the other hand, a total stranger with no connection to the Family could simply have walked away without leaving any note or clue. It makes no sense. They also supposedly spent time in the house after the murder writing the letter,as opposed to just leaving. It’s just really odd,and simply as fascinating a mystery as the Zodiac case

I doubt 2 and 3 are it. Like you said, saying it, points to a very small number of people. If you are one of those people then why bring attention to yourself?

Soze

I doubt 2 and 3 are it. Like you said, saying it, points to a very small number of people. If you are one of those people then why bring attention to yourself?

Soze

I agree. A Stranger has nothing to gain by writing the letter for misdirection purposes, so the Ramseys or somebody close to them seem more likely.

The parents were cleared by DNA, the initial investigation was totally bungled by Boulder police who wore more blinkers than the Kentucky Derby, the lead investigator should not have been in charge of a pizza takeaway let alone a murder investigation and for want of a better word was a fool disguised as a detective, vital evidence of a break in was missed, the mayor of Boulder was irresponsible for spouting a corroborating statement aligned with the police, reinforcing the keystone cops opinions and finally the media and TV performed a trial of the parents by a cavalcade of so called professionals, who had as much common sense as the equally hair-brained psychics who seem to attach themselves to every missing person hunt. In a nutshell this case was finished the moment the case was assigned to the Boulder police, who quite frankly should have been fired for having an IQ less than the letters in IQ.

Here are another two sensationalist buffoons https://youtu.be/Vgg4N9D7MeQ?t=1h16m54s

I am not an expert on the case, but I watched a documentary on the case. One Person I found really interesting was a neighbor of theirs who dressed up as Santa. JB had gone to see him for a party, and she told people that she was going to be getting a special visit from Santa Claus. Turns out, that the Guy that played Santa, had years before written a play in which somebody was kidnapped or killed on Christmas. Anybody know more details, or remember about what I am mentioning?

EDIT: Okay here is what I was talking about,my facts were a bit jumbled, but is this stuff zyncronicty or something more? Here’s an old CNN article

Did Santa Claus kill JonBenet?
Imagine trying to weed through hundreds, maybe thousands, of leads to figure out who killed JonBenet Ramsey. We’ve heard about some of the suspects over the years, including the Ramseys and their son, Burke. But I wanted to know who we hadn’t heard much about, so I decided to look into who some of the previous suspects were and why they were cleared.
Two days before JonBenet Ramsey died, Bill McReynolds played Santa Claus at her home. After her death, investigators instantly became curious about McReynolds and his wife Janet, who had played Mrs. Claus. Back in 1997, McReynolds told a Colorado television station, "I know I didn’t do it." But for investigators, there were too many eerie connections between the McReynolds and the Ramseys to just drop it.
Trip DeMuth, one of the original prosecutors on the case, told me that Santa Bill gave JonBenet a card that read: "You will receive a special gift after Christmas."
"Statements like that led me to have some sort of suspicion: What was going on between Santa Bill and JonBenet? Again, he is an individual who was involved with her, had an interest in her, was seen with her, shortly before the murder," DeMuth said.
Investigators were intrigued by the fact the McReynolds’ daughter had been abducted 22 years before JonBenet’s death … to the day. And Janet McReynolds had written a play about a child who was molested in her basement, then murdered. The couple gave hair, handwriting and blood samples, but were eventually cleared thanks to DNA tests. Bill McReynolds died back in 2002.
Another man, Michael Helgoth, was also a prime suspect. He was a Colorado native who died shortly after the murder. But his death left more questions than answers.
It appeared to be a suicide. And what about the stun gun discovered next to his body? Investigators believe a stun gun had been used on JonBenet.
Prosecutor DeMuth told me this about Helgoth: "I remember that he had footwear that was consistent with the footprint evidence, he had a stun gun, he had reportedly made statements to a friend, very similar to the types of statements that we’re hearing about today in the press with the arrest of John Karr. "
Even more strange, a baseball cap with the letters s-b-t-c was found near Helgoth’s body. Those are the same letters found in the ransom note at the Ramsey home. DeMuth says he believes Helgoth’s DNA was tested and didn’t match up.
All of this leaves me wondering: Will John Mark Karr finally lead to closure in this case or just add himself to the list of names that never panned out?

Here’s more on Santa-

Boulder police are re-checking information from a local man who played Santa Claus at the home of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey two nights before she was murdered, and his wife.

Their daughter’s ordeal "makes you sensitive to the horror" of JonBenet’s murder, Janet McReynolds said.

John Mark Carr was cleared in her case, but check out the eerie similarity between his writing and that in the ransom note-
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/hi … ansom-note

Another Suspect who People have become interested in more recently, Michael H-
http://www.acandyrose.com/s-john-stephen-gigax.htm

The Guy kills himself the day the DA holds a press conference saying that the noose is tightening……hmmmm

If that’s a coincidence, that’s right up there with the MCReynolds/Santa stuff

I also wonder if the local sex offenders were looked at? I assume their Dna is in the data base,but as of this moment, there are a bunch of sex offenders within 2 miles of the Ramsey Home, not sure if they were there when she was killed or not

I had a quick look at this against the Z letters. One confirmed but contested and one not confirmed.

There are certainly similarities and interesting enough for me to take a look. I’m not convinced as there are differences too that I can’t account for and am not happy with. Interesting to see though as it highlights just how similar certain things can be without necessarily being a hit. The general shape of the letterforms in the JBR letter immediately made me think of the Marco letter hence its use here. The possible distortion employed in some of the letterforms on the JBR letter reminded me of the ‘Hello it’s me’ letter as well as the shapes. Horribly appropriate subject matter as well.

I haven’t made any conclusions as such because it was just a quick look and I thought you guys would like to see them. However, there’s a level of consistency in the similarities shared by the Zodiac letters that I’m not seeing here at this stage but as I said, just a preliminary look showing the ‘easy ones’. The highlighted parts in red are from the JBR letter BTW.

Interesting spot TF regarding the shape of the lowercase q’s and I’ve highlighted another similar aspect on the left. This time it regards misspellings.

EDIT: Just to add. The other thing I found interesting regarded the F’s . The JBR letter, the HIM letter and the Zodiac letters all share the habit of mixing flat topped and round topped versions. The one of interest to me in the JBR letter is in the word ‘carefully’ on the first line.

The shaky looking writing in the JBR letter is reminiscent to me of the Hello it’s me letter, but in my opinion, not like most of Z’s confirmed writing

In this youtube video, Patsy Ramsey is fingered as the author of the ransom letter, but as we have seen in the Z case, there are a bunch of similarities in some people to questioned writing. As we have debated and discussed, writing is not an exact science. The Video also includes one Detective’s opinion of how things went down, and how patsy was likely the killer. Hearing him spout off about his theory of how Patsy ruthlessly killed JonBenet is difficult to listen to. Mother’s natural instincts are to love and protect their Kids, and although Mothers do sometimes kill their Children, it’s rare.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl5Ll3sLFs8

While Writing is not an exact science, DNA is. And DNA exonerates the Ramsey Family. DNA found on JB’s underwear, and under her fingernails does NOT belong to any of the Ramseys.

Male DNA Under Fingernails
Findings. "The coroner took nail clippings from JonBenet. Male DNA was found under JonBenet’s right hand fingernail that does not match that of any Ramsey. (SMF P 174; PSMF P 174.) Defendants also assert that male DNA was found under JonBenet’s left hand fingernail, which also does not match that of any Ramsey. (SMF P 173.)" (Carnes 2003:22). This is consistent with Internet poster Margoo’s screen capture showing a "mix" of DNA only 3 of the 13 DNA samples submitted: #7 Bloodstains from panties; #14L, #14M Right and Left hand fingernails from JonBenet Ramsey.
"Defensive Flesh." Internet poster Mame has asserted that Lou Smit told her there was "defensive flesh" found under JBR’s fingernails (his term). Internet poster Evening2 disagrees and believes that "When Lou Smit referred to JonBenet "getting a piece of her killer", he wasn’t talking about flesh, just that "his" DNA was there, that’s all."

Male DNA in Underwear
Findings
Male DNA Found. "In addition, male DNA was found in JonBenet’s underwear that does not match that of any Ramsey and has not yet been sourced. (SMF PP 175, 178; PSMF PP 175, 178.)" (Carnes 2003:22).
No Match Found to Date. "The Boulder Police Department has yet to identify the male whose DNA was found at the crime scene. (SMF P 177; PSMF P 177.)" (Carnes 2003:22).
Saliva? According to Internet poster Margoo, Lin Wood reported in a chat session that the DNA in the underwear "probably" was saliva. Several news sources also have suggested the male DNA was from saliva, including Denver Post, People’s Daily Online and Taipei Times

A full report on the DNA in the JBR case-
http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/pag … 20Evidence