The death by poisoning is interesting. I know that Leonard Lake (who had a murderous accomplice named Charles Ng) killed himself by taking a poisonous pill when he knew he was being apprehended. He kept the pill/poison supposedly with him at all times in a pocket of his pants or something.
Last week, I read Maggie Nelson’s excellent memoir on the trial of her aunt Jane Mixer’s killer and the long shadow cast by the Michigan Murders over her family history. Seeing this thread become active again made me remember how John Norman Collins, the man in prison for the bulk of these murders, was long suspected of killing a teenage girl named Roxie Phillips in Salinas, CA. The probable scene of this crime was a stolen trailer later found wiped clean on the property of Collins’ college friend and California native Andy Manuel. Manuel was initially suspected as an accomplice but later passed an FBI polygraph. He was given one year’s probation for the trailer theft and I’m not sure what became of him afterwards.
The Santa Rosa murders, both in signature and victimology, are remarkably similar to the Michigan co-ed killings. If Manuel was indeed an accomplice of John Norman Collins, it may be worth seeing if he can be placed in Sonoma County during the time-frame of those murders.
EDIT:
I did some research and it appears that Manuel wound up in Arizona sometime after Collins’ conviction. It remains unclear whether he has any connection to Sonoma County.
Manuel has always sent my hinky meter to the red. And Collins? So scary as he was so intelligent and not bad on the eyes. I could see him easily luring a female to her death.
http://murderpedia.org/male.L/l/lake-leonard.htm
More info on Lake and Ng
Possible SRHM victims?
It’s not out of the realm of possibility, PA. I use to have a good contact at the Sonoma County Sheriff’s Department but he was promoted and the current regime does not appreciate people outside of LE meddling in their cold cases.
Seagull, anything happening in the documentary front?
There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer
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No, that fizzed. The guy did not even have the decency to get back to me to further discuss some other options. I put together tons of material for him, tracked down many people and he just disappeared. Very disappointing.
No, that fizzed. The guy did not even have the decency to get back to me to further discuss some other options. I put together tons of material for him, tracked down many people and he just disappeared. Very disappointing.
That really sucks, the case is definitely worthy of a documentary. Have you thought about approaching any local film makers, film students,etc?
There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer
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http://zodiackillersite.blogspot.com/
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The ubiquitous Gian Quasar has a good analysis of these crimes on his blog:
https://questersite.wordpress.com/2016/03/04/the-sonoma-co-ed-killer/
He puts forward a strong case for there being two separate killers – I know this isn’t his original idea but there aren’t many as good as him when it comes to bringing together all of the disparate facts in cold cases. I would be interested in hearing from anyone very familiar with the case as to what they think of his work on this.
On a related note, he has a blog post talking about a tv deal he’s made where he’ll be covering some of the less famous cold cases – let’s hope this is one of them (I assume by ‘famous’ he’s referring to JTR, Zodiac, and possibly EARONS). As usual he’s very thin on detail when it comes to these teaser announcements.
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He has some really good points in his stuff in general, and some really bad ones too. It’s all how one sees it. Seagull would be best to take a look. I’ll give her a heads-up.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
I did take a look at Quasar’s site. It looks like most of his research has been to look at other websites and books then come up with an opinion. He has never contacted me and I have quite a bit on the murders I’ve never posted partly because I don’t want to give away any info that might be a hold back by LE, something only the killer would know.
I do know what each victim was wearing and what other items they had with them when last seen, for instance.
Recently I came across a new suspect. I haven’t been able to find much on him relative to the SRHM, only that he was an named suspect. However he was a serial killer and was put to death in Texas in 1985 for murders there. He was living in Novato (Marin County) and San Francisco in the early 70s. He was known to torture his victims. His total murder count is thought to be 30 or more victims.
There is a bit about him online and I’m surprised I’d never heard about him before now. His name is Stephen Peter Morin.
Thanks Seagull, that looks like an interesting find. Regarding GQ, that’s a shame he hasn’t been in touch as his writings give the impression that he is very thorough. Perhaps the fact that he’s a professional author (and therefore can’t afford/doesn’t want to share any credit) is clouding his investigative method. I do however think that his interpretation of the two-killer theory is very compelling.
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Quasar’s two person theory is certainly not anything new. Detectives at the time felt that the murders could have been four different events. Retired Detective Butch Carlstadt felt that Kursa’s death was an accident and her mother and stepfather dumped her body because they were both on thin ice because of other criminal activity. They had probation revocation hanging over their heads if they messed up again.
Jeannette Kamahele’s boyfriend was thought to have killed her. His actions after her disappearance led to that conclusion. He did not try to help find her and left the area for Hawaii within a week of her going missing.
Kim Allen and possibly Theresa Walsh were thought to have been killed by Fred Manalli.
Weber, Sterling and Davis were thought to have been killed by a group of people, not sure exactly how many people but Richard Anderson was said to have been part of that group. Carlstedt told me that Anderson committed suicide after he was pressed for the names of the others in the group. Apparently Carstedt had questioned Anderson a number of times.
I have posted all of this in the past both at our old forum and at ZK.com’s forum. It’s really no secret. The March 5, 1989 Press Democrat article about the murders quotes Carlstadt as saying he believed two different men were responsible for the murders. That article has been posted, too.
Quasar strikes me as someone who combs the internet and compiles the work of others then calls it his own research.
Quasar’s two person theory is certainly not anything new. Detectives at the time felt that the murders could have been four different events. Retired Detective Butch Carlstadt felt that Kursa’s death was an accident and her mother and stepfather dumped her body because they were both on thin ice because of other criminal activity. They had probation revocation hanging over their heads if they messed up again.
Jeannette Kamahele’s boyfriend was thought to have killed her. His actions after her disappearance led to that conclusion. He did not try to help find her and left the area for Hawaii within a week of her going missing.
Kim Allen and possibly Theresa Walsh were thought to have been killed by Fred Manalli.
Weber, Sterling and Davis were thought to have been killed by a group of people, not sure exactly how many people but Richard Anderson was said to have been part of that group. Carlstedt told me that Anderson committed suicide after he was pressed for the names of the others in the group. Apparently Carstedt had questioned Anderson a number of times.
I have posted all of this in the past both at our old forum and at ZK.com’s forum. It’s really no secret. The March 5, 1989 Press Democrat article about the murders quotes Carlstadt as saying he believed two different men were responsible for the murders. That article has been posted, too.
Quasar strikes me as someone who combs the internet and compiles the work of others then calls it his own research.
Hi Seagull
Finally!!! I found the name and address of the Larkspur Health Food store that Kim Wendy Allen was working at, and left after finishing work, the day she was murdered:
Larkspur Natural Foods
460 Magnolia Ave
Larkspur, CA 94939, USA
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/89108031/
"Miss Allen was last seen about 5 p.m. last Friday when she left her job at Larkspur Natural Foods at 460 Magnolia Avenue and told coworkers she planned to hitchike to Santa Rosa."
So maybe you could add that name and address to whatever map you have on the Kim Wendy Allen Hitchhike murder map you have.
Hi, english is not my first language so please bear with me 
LOL Actual rich people! Maybe I should get ahold of Trump and tell him it would improve his image if he were to back a film about the SRHM. Seriously though, I don’t know that many rich people. I’m afraid any pleas by me for funding would come off like those emails I get from someone who wants to give me millions of dollars. I got one just this week from Richard M. Nickson, can you believe!
Was it in code? 
(Sorry to get meta lol)
