One of four men convicted of the Zebra killings in San Francisco was found dead in his cell today. JCX Simon, 69, was convicted of killing two people in a spree where 14 persons were murdered in 1973 and 1974 by four different killers. The high profile Zebra killings were thought by some to be the reason why the Zodiac Killer resumed sending letters in 1974.
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The Zebra Murders sounds like shades of the Zodiac. Very sinister killings by two different perpetrators around the same time frame. Makes me wonder if the police didn’t think at the onset of these murders, that they were the work of the Zodiac, hence the Z channel on the radio. Later when it became apparent the killings were not zodiacs work, they brought out the story of the radio call code.
The Zebra Murders sounds like shades of the Zodiac. Very sinister killings by two different perpetrators around the same time frame. Makes me wonder if the police didn’t think at the onset of these murders, that they were the work of the Zodiac, hence the Z channel on the radio. Later when it became apparent the killings were not zodiacs work, they brought out the story of the radio call code.
I could be wrong, but I think those guys left witnesses and/or survivors at almost every single one of their crime scenes, so if there was any initial confusion, it didn’t last very long. Plus one of the killers got caught very early on, which is why there was a six month lull in activity.
I read a book about the Zebra Murders last winter. Sadly, I think it’s out of print, but it was a chilling read. The scariest part is that according to this book, the guy who put the Death Angels together was a hgh-ranking minster in the Nation of Islam and was never charged with any of the homicides his teachings inspired.
"There are such devils."
-The Pledge
The Zebra Murders sounds like shades of the Zodiac. Very sinister killings by two different perpetrators around the same time frame. Makes me wonder if the police didn’t think at the onset of these murders, that they were the work of the Zodiac, hence the Z channel on the radio. Later when it became apparent the killings were not zodiacs work, they brought out the story of the radio call code.
I could be wrong, but I think those guys left witnesses and/or survivors at almost every single one of their crime scenes, so if there was any initial confusion, it didn’t last very long. Plus one of the killers got caught very early on, which is why there was a six month lull in activity.
I read a book about the Zebra Murders last winter. Sadly, I think it’s out of print, but it was a chilling read. The scariest part is that according to this book, the guy who put the Death Angels together was a hgh-ranking minster in the Nation of Islam and was never charged with any of the homicides his teachings inspired.
I like to read true crime books. I buy the old detective magazines from Patterson Smith in NJ. He has all the magazines you could ever imagine, old ones too. I’m going to Barnes and Noble to get me a new book. I’ll see if they have the one about those murders. I had never heard of them before.
I like to read true crime books. I buy the old detective magazines from Patterson Smith in NJ. He has all the magazines you could ever imagine, old ones too. I’m going to Barnes and Noble to get me a new book. I’ll see if they have the one about those murders. I had never heard of them before.
Those detective magazines sound like they could be a treasure trove. Anyway, the book I read was called "Zebra" by Clark Howard. That one is out of print but retails for about $20 on Amazon. Prentice Sanders also wrote a book on the subject, which I remember seeing in a Borders shop in Providence awhile back. The reviews weren’t so good. Happy hunting!
"There are such devils."
-The Pledge
I like to read true crime books. I buy the old detective magazines from Patterson Smith in NJ. He has all the magazines you could ever imagine, old ones too. I’m going to Barnes and Noble to get me a new book. I’ll see if they have the one about those murders. I had never heard of them before.
Those detective magazines sound like they could be a treasure trove. Anyway, the book I read was called "Zebra" by Clark Howard. That one is out of print but retails for about $20 on Amazon. Prentice Sanders also wrote a book on the subject, which I remember seeing in a Borders shop in Providence awhile back. The reviews weren’t so good. Happy hunting!
Yeah, Borders store at Providence place is unfortunately gone now. All we have left is Barnes and Nobles now, or the online sellers. The mags are very good. The paper is starting to disintegrate on the older books from the 50’s and 60’s though. They are really cool to read. I remember my grandfather had these small books about the size of a readers digest. Micky Spillane mysteries, or something on that line. I used to read them over the house, I’ve always enjoyed detective books and mysteries.
I love the detective magazines, too, and have a huge collection of them, over 300 issues mostly from the ’60’s and ’70’s. I have gone to Patterson Smith when I’ve wanted something that I could not find anywhere else but his prices are high. He is a wealth of knowledge though and very organized.
I love the detective magazines, too, and have a huge collection of them, over 300 issues mostly from the ’60’s and ’70’s. I have gone to Patterson Smith when I’ve wanted something that I could not find anywhere else but his prices are high. He is a wealth of knowledge though and very organized.
Your right he’s not giving them away. I’ve seen as of late, people selling them for about $6 a throw on ebay. That’s not to bad. Over 300 magazines is good. I’m going to buy some more pretty soon, hopefully some more of the sixties issues.
My SFPD contact before he retired in 2013, Vince Repetto, started his career at the time of the Zebra murders. He said they had him posing as a sleeping homeless person on the streets to try to lure the killers. He said you could look up and down the streets and not see one person in the "target ethnicity" walking around at night.
I also became good friends with Gus Coreris, who was one of the lead Inspectors on the case. He told me some good stories about the old days back when we spoke to each other. He called the Stine eyewitnesses "damn sharp." He worked with them; Toschi did not.
Mike
Mike Rodelli
Author, The Hunt for Zodiac; 3.9 stars on Amazon and
In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer, a second edition in print format. 4.3 Amazon stars and great Editorial reviews. Twitter:@mikerodelli
My SFPD contact before he retired in 2013, Vince Repetto, started his career at the time of the Zebra murders. He said they had him posing as a sleeping homeless person on the streets to try to lure the killers. He said you could look up and down the streets and not see one person in the "target ethnicity" walking around at night.
I also became good friends with Gus Coreris, who was one of the lead Inspectors on the case. He told me some good stories about the old days back when we spoke to each other. He called the Stine eyewitnesses "damn sharp." He worked with them; Toschi did not.
Mike
Why would the two lead investigators of the Zodiac case (Toschi and Armstrong) not work with the eyewitness to a Zodiac murder?
Why would the two lead investigators of the Zodiac case (Toschi and Armstrong) not work with the eyewitness to a Zodiac murder?
Good question. But then again the pair of them allegedly never bothered to talk to Don Fouke either – so there’s that too. I’d sure like to read those reports – there are so many rumors and stories regarding the SFPD investigation that half of it would suffice to drive a poor bastard crazy.
My SFPD contact before he retired in 2013, Vince Repetto, started his career at the time of the Zebra murders. He said they had him posing as a sleeping homeless person on the streets to try to lure the killers. He said you could look up and down the streets and not see one person in the "target ethnicity" walking around at night.
I also became good friends with Gus Coreris, who was one of the lead Inspectors on the case. He told me some good stories about the old days back when we spoke to each other. He called the Stine eyewitnesses "damn sharp." He worked with them; Toschi did not.
Mike
Why would the two lead investigators of the Zodiac case (Toschi and Armstrong) not work with the eyewitness to a Zodiac murder?
Thanks mike_r, interesting information, scary job for sure!
Pretty sure the lead investigators didn’t work with the eyewitness, as they let EGO stand in the way! Such a bummer. If they all worked together, Zodiac would of been caught. So close, I bet…
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Coreris and Fotinos (The "Greeks," as they were known) handled the kids. Why Toschi and Armstrong didn’t do so, you’d have to ask them. They probably assigned different teams to do different tasks. The kids and Coreris have always been adamant that the sketch was accurate. Pelissetti had high marks for the kids, too. Lindsey insists they are accurate and with good reason because both versions, which are separate sketches, are very close. Toschi disparaged and dismissed them. Funny how they don’t match ALA. Graysmith created fog and poor lighting in order to sweep the sketches under the rug. Neither of those conditions was present that night. He never even approached the kids for an interview and promised Fouke he’d interview him for ZU after DF complained that he was not interviewed for the original book. Never did. Funny how ALA doesn’t resemble the sketch.
Anyone believe RG is a down home, "aw shucks" innocent, "honest researcher" like they portrayed him in the movie? I don’t.
Mike
Mike Rodelli
Author, The Hunt for Zodiac; 3.9 stars on Amazon and
In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer, a second edition in print format. 4.3 Amazon stars and great Editorial reviews. Twitter:@mikerodelli
Then the entire S.F.P.D. WAS a joke and Zodiac had it right.
If this is true, my image of Toschi and Armstrong is totally blown. Seems like all those cops had ego involved with their heads up their a*******.
Just everyone continue to go ahead an pick and choose the cops you want to believe…the ones which better suits your scenario!
I believe Lindsey Robbins because he was there and is passionate about the sketches. Gus simply backs him up. Toschi didn’t see Zodiac that night. Lindsey did. Both Lindsey and Fouke were shown photos of ALA but not by Toschi, Armstrong or Graysmith and completely laughed him off. Feel free to believe what you want. I do research and people tell their stories and I believe what makes the most sense.
Mike
Mike Rodelli
Author, The Hunt for Zodiac; 3.9 stars on Amazon and
In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer, a second edition in print format. 4.3 Amazon stars and great Editorial reviews. Twitter:@mikerodelli