When stine was killed, Zodiac tore his shirt and took a bunch of items that Stine had on his person. To do this to get in the front seat with him. I watched a video the other day on youtube where the person claimed that Stine’s body was posed when Zodiac left the scene The person also claimed the skeleton on the inside of the secret pall pumpkin card was posed like the body. I could have sworn that one of the first responders on the scene turned Stine’s body. Am I incorrect in this instance?
there is a crime scene photo of this and its what you would except of a photo at a homicide scene..morf prolly has seen it as well..i dont think it was placed..Z cut the shirt and got out quickly is my take..the real argument here is wether stine knew the Z and was Z in the front seat..many believe stine knew something in regards as to who Z was and this has lead to gaik as the Z in the minds of many…i dont think gaik was Z..in fact i have given up on ever locating Z from the known victims..identity lies in an area or in a place we have somehow failed to perceive as important..hence my belief lompoc and bates are starting points
the real argument here is wether stine knew the Z and was Z in the front seat
I asked Carol (Paul’s Sister) that question back in Oct in one of the chats organised over on zodiackiller.com.
traveller1st 04:37:06
Carol Hi, my name is Mark, I am so sorry for your loss. Can I ask, was it Paul’s habit or the habit at the time to have passengers ride in the front seat or was the back the norm? Sorry if it;s already been asked. I’m very humbled to make your aquiantance.
Carol 04:38:58
No, Paul would not let passengers ride in the front! Paul was not a fighter either! He knew his life was at tack that night
“I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.“
there is a crime scene photo of this and its what you would except of a photo at a homicide scene..morf prolly has seen it as well..i dont think it was placed..Z cut the shirt and got out quickly is my take..the real argument here is wether stine knew the Z and was Z in the front seat..many believe stine knew something in regards as to who Z was and this has lead to gaik as the Z in the minds of many…i dont think gaik was Z..in fact i have given up on ever locating Z from the known victims..identity lies in an area or in a place we have somehow failed to perceive as important..hence my belief lompoc and bates are starting points
I’ve seen the photo you are talking about. Stine is halfway out of the car with his hands outstretched. I thought he was moved by someone on scene before the coroner arrived.
the real argument here is wether stine knew the Z and was Z in the front seat
I asked Carol (Paul’s Sister) that question back in Oct in one of the chats organised over on zodiackiller.com.
traveller1st 04:37:06
Carol Hi, my name is Mark, I am so sorry for your loss. Can I ask, was it Paul’s habit or the habit at the time to have passengers ride in the front seat or was the back the norm? Sorry if it;s already been asked. I’m very humbled to make your aquiantance.Carol 04:38:58
No, Paul would not let passengers ride in the front! Paul was not a fighter either! He knew his life was at tack that night
He knew his life was at tack that night? Did you ask what she meant with that?
QT
*ZODIACHRONOLOGY*
No I didn’t unfortunately. I’m not quite sure what that meant. Sorry.
“I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.“
"Life was at tack that night?" Could she have possibly meant attack or attacked? Even then though that phrase still wouldn’t make sense: "He knew his life was attacked that night." Still doesn’t really make a lot of sense.
"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.
Some thoughts about the Stine crime scene (keep your children away when watching..):
On this picture, you can see that there is a car standing directly behind Stine’s cab (2 feet?). The cab’s wheel is about the same position where the tree is, rather a bit further. The cab itself stands quite parallel to the roadside. Also it can be seen that the car in fact had a solid crash on the left side.
http://www.bermuda-triangle.org/Stine_M … 1-1969.jpg
On this picture, however, the cab does not stand parallel to the roadside. Also, the cab’s front wheel is definitely behind or at least almost behind the tree, slightly steered to the left (indicating that Stine did stop the car while still being alive). Stine’s left arm is hanging out of the passenger’s side, with him laying on his back, as if someone had tried to pull him out of the cab. There is blood on the floor outside the cab, however no fare booklet yet. The light spot on the floor, in the blood, appears as if his head was there.
http://welshchappie.wordpress.com/2012/ … ine-scene/
Stine laying on his back. His buttom is not on the driver’s side but rather in the middle of the seat. He therefore (was) moved at least 40-50 cm to the passenger’s side, where his assailant was assumed to be. BTW, Stine was shot in the back of his head. It therefore may be doubted that his assailant was sitting on the passenger’s side. If he had tried to get out of the cab, he rather would have done it on the driver’s side, or, at least he would have died on his front instead of his back.
http://www.bermuda-triangle.org/Stine_M … window.jpg
Another pic of Stine’s cab. It shows that there is no car behind the cab and that the cab is not parked parallel to the roadside. There is blood on the floor, however no fare booklet yet.
http://www.redrumautographs.com/Zodiac.html
Paul Stine, most of his belly free. Blood can be seen on the floor outside the cab, but there is no fare booklet yet. The car is at least two feet away from the roadside, his belly about 60-80% free. It appeas as if this had occured when Z took his shirt to cut pieces off. Parts of his jacket are moved, especially the left side, as if someone had pulled him on his jacket towards the passenger side. The car does not stand parallel to the roadside.
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The cab from behind, in its original position. There is blood on the floor outside the cab. However there is no car behind the cab and the rear wheel is 2 1/2 to three feet away from the roadside.
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Stine’s fare book or another object is on the floor of the passenger side. Possibly the fare booklet fell onto the floor outside of the cab, when Stine was taken out of the cab.
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I think we should throw away the theory that Paul’s killer was driving in the front seat. IMO, Paul was shot from behind, then someone opened the passenger door pulling him towards the passenger side (e.g. to cut his shirt). Also i do believe that the car was moved later, e.g. by police, at least the car behind the cab was parked after Stine had been driving his cab to the roadside.
Therefore I do believe that
a.) Stine had stopped his cab, turning his front wheel slightly parallel
b.) Stine had taken his fare booklet
c.) Z shot Stine into his head from behind
d.) Z left the cab, opened the passenger door, turned or pulled Stine on his jacket to the passenger’s side
e.) Z left the scene, after wiping the cab
f.) Police stopped possibly directly behind the cab
g.) Police removed Stine’s body, the fare booklet falling on the floor
h.) Police possibly moved the car slightly afterwards
QT
QT
*ZODIACHRONOLOGY*
"knew his life was at tack"
I’m guessing it was a mis-hearing of "knew his life was at stake."
When in doubt, don’t.
When stine was killed, Zodiac tore his shirt and took a bunch of items that Stine had on his person. To do this to get in the front seat with him. I watched a video the other day on youtube where the person claimed that Stine’s body was posed when Zodiac left the scene The person also claimed the skeleton on the inside of the secret pall pumpkin card was posed like the body. I could have sworn that one of the first responders on the scene turned Stine’s body. Am I incorrect in this instance?
I thought that the doors of the cab were all closed when LE arrived on scene and it was when the cab door was opened for pictures to be taken that Stine’s body ended up in the position it was in the photos. If that is the case then I would say that the body’s position and the skeleton on the HC are coincidental. As far as I know the crime scene photos were not made public until many years after the murder.
If I am incorrect about the cab doors being closed when LE arrived, please, someone let me know.
Could be true..then the question why did Stine had his jacked pulled up so far?
QT
*ZODIACHRONOLOGY*
When stine was killed, Zodiac tore his shirt and took a bunch of items that Stine had on his person. To do this to get in the front seat with him. I watched a video the other day on youtube where the person claimed that Stine’s body was posed when Zodiac left the scene The person also claimed the skeleton on the inside of the secret pall pumpkin card was posed like the body. I could have sworn that one of the first responders on the scene turned Stine’s body. Am I incorrect in this instance?
I thought that the doors of the cab were all closed when LE arrived on scene and it was when the cab door was opened for pictures to be taken that Stine’s body ended up in the position it was in the photos. If that is the case then I would say that the body’s position and the skeleton on the HC are coincidental. As far as I know the crime scene photos were not made public until many years after the murder.
If I am incorrect about the cab doors being closed when LE arrived, please, someone let me know.
Honestly, this is something I have always wondered.
It would seem there would be photographs of Stine and the cab prior to them opening the doors. Maybe there are and we have just not been privy to them. ?
But, in order for Stine to lay like that, wouldn’t his head/arm/body have need to have been propped up against the door somewhat in order to fall back like that? Wouldn’t that mean Zodiac would have had to lift him up against it?
It seems a bit bizarre for anyone to drag him out like that and then take photographs, that’s for sure. I mean, you would take photos of the scene as it appeared upon arrival…then after the body was removed too of course.
QT – I think the jacket was simply bunched up like that by Zodiac to get to the shirt.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
I think if Zodiac was sitting on the passenger side in the front seat when he was taking the portion of Stine’s shirt he could have propped Stine up to get out of the car and Stine fell over onto the passenger side of the car after the door was shut. Though it would make more sense if Zodiac pushed Stine back over to the drivers door and leaned him against it. That isn’t the way Stine was found though.
I think if Zodiac was sitting on the passenger side in the front seat when he was taking the portion of Stine’s shirt he could have propped Stine up to get out of the car and Stine fell over onto the passenger side of the car after the door was shut. Though it would make more sense if Zodiac pushed Stine back over to the drivers door and leaned him against it. That isn’t the way Stine was found though.
Yes…that would make sense if Zodiac kept him upright as he got out. It would also make sense for Zodiac to shut the door–draw less attention for as long as possible. Would have been nice to see photos prior to them opening the door. Those photos must exist if that is the case.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
When stine was killed, Zodiac tore his shirt and took a bunch of items that Stine had on his person. To do this to get in the front seat with him. I watched a video the other day on youtube where the person claimed that Stine’s body was posed when Zodiac left the scene The person also claimed the skeleton on the inside of the secret pall pumpkin card was posed like the body. I could have sworn that one of the first responders on the scene turned Stine’s body. Am I incorrect in this instance?
I thought that the doors of the cab were all closed when LE arrived on scene and it was when the cab door was opened for pictures to be taken that Stine’s body ended up in the position it was in the photos. If that is the case then I would say that the body’s position and the skeleton on the HC are coincidental. As far as I know the crime scene photos were not made public until many years after the murder.
If I am incorrect about the cab doors being closed when LE arrived, please, someone let me know.
Honestly, this is something I have always wondered.
It would seem there would be photographs of Stine and the cab prior to them opening the doors. Maybe there are and we have just not been privy to them. ?
But, in order for Stine to lay like that, wouldn’t his head/arm/body have need to have been propped up against the door somewhat in order to fall back like that? Wouldn’t that mean Zodiac would have had to lift him up against it?
It seems a bit bizarre for anyone to drag him out like that and then take photographs, that’s for sure. I mean, you would take photos of the scene as it appeared upon arrival…then after the body was removed too of course.
QT – I think the jacket was simply bunched up like that by Zodiac to get to the shirt.
Now that I see the other angles of the picture it sure does look like Paul was propped against the door.
