we don’t know that zodiac asked for washington and maple, only that it was printed on the taxi ticket.

What I was doing in an earlier comment was speculating that it may not have been Zodiac that Stine picked up near Mason and Geary to get the experts thoughts. Based on what I have now researched and the comments, the chances are high that the Zodiac was picked up by Stine. I understand why Zodiac parked his car in the Presidio to facilitate his escape. What is bothering me is that why would he presumably take a bus to the Mason and Geary area? Why wouldn’t he hunt for a target in the Presidio where he was already parked? In my mind, it doesn’t fit the prior murders where he just went to a particular location. He really wasn’t particular in the prior murders other than targeting couples in lovers lane. Why a cabbie? Did Zodiac go to the Mason and Geary area for a reason? Did he forget something? Did he work in the area? Did he live in the area? Why did he go there? I’m sure others have asked the same questions. It might not be a big deal to some on the board, but to me, it’s a quandary.

What I was doing in an earlier comment was speculating that it may not have been Zodiac that Stine picked up near Mason and Geary to get the experts thoughts. Based on what I have now researched and the comments, the chances are high that the Zodiac was picked up by Stine. I understand why Zodiac parked his car in the Presidio to facilitate his escape. What is bothering me is that why would he presumably take a bus to the Mason and Geary area? Why wouldn’t he hunt for a target in the Presidio where he was already parked? In my mind, it doesn’t fit the prior murders where he just went to a particular location. He really wasn’t particular in the prior murders other than targeting couples in lovers lane. Why a cabbie? Did Zodiac go to the Mason and Geary area for a reason? Did he forget something? Did he work in the area? Did he live in the area? Why did he go there? I’m sure others have asked the same questions. It might not be a big deal to some on the board, but to me, it’s a quandary.

Certainly easier to pick a cab driver of your choice–which is an easy kill, imo. Paul even resembled Zodiac that night.

What I was doing in an earlier comment was speculating that it may not have been Zodiac that Stine picked up near Mason and Geary to get the experts thoughts. Based on what I have now researched and the comments, the chances are high that the Zodiac was picked up by Stine. I understand why Zodiac parked his car in the Presidio to facilitate his escape. What is bothering me is that why would he presumably take a bus to the Mason and Geary area? Why wouldn’t he hunt for a target in the Presidio where he was already parked? In my mind, it doesn’t fit the prior murders where he just went to a particular location. He really wasn’t particular in the prior murders other than targeting couples in lovers lane. Why a cabbie? Did Zodiac go to the Mason and Geary area for a reason? Did he forget something? Did he work in the area? Did he live in the area? Why did he go there? I’m sure others have asked the same questions. It might not be a big deal to some on the board, but to me, it’s a quandary.

If your intent was to hail a cab, it would make sense to go to the Union Square area, which extended to the theater district.

There weren’t many other areas in San Francisco where you could routinely and easily hail a cab.

I agree w quicksilver – it has always seemed like too many moving parts.

park near presidio
get to union square
hail taxi back to presidio area
escape to car
presumably take car over bridge

lots of time to chicken out, be interrupted
to not be in control of things…

Although it could be said that berryessa was a move out of the shadows into the open – pretty brazen

Of course, what if Z had aleady established this as a route. Park in a quiet area near the park, head downtown, then get back to car – in a way sounds like a nice way to do things in SF

does any one know where ann an larry lowe lived in san fran and was it with donna lass?

does any one know where ann an larry lowe lived in san fran and was it with donna lass?

Nope. Donna lived with two other women.

does any one know where ann an larry lowe lived in san fran and was it with donna lass?

Nope. Donna lived with two other women.

thanks tahoe. did larry and ann live in san fran for a while before going to lake tahoe?

I agree w quicksilver – it has always seemed like too many moving parts.

park near presidio
get to union square
hail taxi back to presidio area
escape to car
presumably take car over bridge

lots of time to chicken out, be interrupted
to not be in control of things…

Although it could be said that berryessa was a move out of the shadows into the open – pretty brazen

Of course, what if Z had aleady established this as a route. Park in a quiet area near the park, head downtown, then get back to car – in a way sounds like a nice way to do things in SF

You described it…too many moving parts…..reviewing his first two murder scenes, it seems he got out of there in a hurry. He used a gun with multiple shots, so there was sound to attract attention. At Berryessa, he used a knife and took extra time by writing on the door of the car. Berryessa showed pre-planning with the rope and hood. At the Paul Stine
/ Presidio Heights murder he obviously used a gun, but nobody heard a shot. He took a considerable amount of time since he was observed by the kids across the street. That’s another issue. What prompted the kids to look across the street?…did they hear the shot and not realize it was a shot?. Did Zodiac use a silencer? If the thinking is that Zodiac was getting more brave after after each murder, it could account for some of his actions. I appreciate any input thinking this through.

does any one know where ann an larry lowe lived in san fran and was it with donna lass?

Nope. Donna lived with two other women.

thanks tahoe. did larry and ann live in san fran for a while before going to lake tahoe?

I don’t remember.

"..taxi driver over by Washington St + Maple St last night.."

Obviously Z was able to remember in which area he had shot Paul Stine. Usually it wouldn’t be important to know which location (street names) that had happened in detail, he could have mentioned "Presidio" in his letter, too. Instead, Z referred to even two street names. But: The taxi was requested for the crossing Maple/Washington, Stine, however, was killed at Maple/Cherry.

"The S.F. Police could have caught me last night if they had searched the park properly instead of holding road runs with their motorcicles seeing who could make the most noise. The car drivers should have just parked their cars + sat there quietly waiting for me to come out of cover."

3712 Jackson Street…Mr and Mrs Frederich G Bloch, Mrs. Bloch working as a youth probation officer, Z being able to hide and see (?) the motorcicles at the same time? Thoughts?

QT

Why that Mr. Bloch in particular?

Why that Mr. Bloch in particular?

I believe that is the person who lived at the address Fouke claimed he saw Zodiac walking towards.

Think he even mentioned the person to be walking four or five steps there. Not necessarily related to Z, but then again: Probation officer..? ‘Holding road runs’ is not necessarily what you see from behind Julius Kahn’s playground wall…so? My theory (and it is a theory only) is that Z could have gone to Bloch’s, possibly having been welcome there, watching the motorcycles driving around, searching for him. Opposite, he said that the cops should have better waited for him to come out…dunnnu.

QT

Think he even mentioned the person to be walking four or five steps there.

Yes, I believe Fouke said he turned to go up the steps there but Fouke did not see him enter the residence, so it was possibly an attempt at a fake out by the guy if it was Zodiac.

Not necessarily related to Z, but then again: Probation officer..? ‘Holding road runs’ is not necessarily what you see from behind Julius Kahn’s playground wall…so? My theory (and it is a theory only) is that Z could have gone to Bloch’s, possibly having been welcome there, watching the motorcycles driving around, searching for him. Opposite, he said that the cops should have better waited for him to come out…dunnnu.

QT

Yes, it seems he must have hid out in the area somewhere but it seems the dogs would have found him if he were stationary. And surely he had a lot of blood on his clothing which would have been noticed if he had went to someone he knew’s home.