Okay, got some questions. Figured this was as good as place as any.

1 – Any clue why z would be wiping down the drivers side door?
2 – Did anyone ever talk to the Peda guy that was Pelissetti’s partner?
3 – How do Pelissetti and Foulke not pass each other somewhere on Jackson? Something not right here.
4 – If the guy walking the dog was Mr. X, did he have reddish-blonde hair at the time? All the photos I’ve seen of him look like he has dark hair.
5- Is there any more police reports out there somewhere other than the 2 pages?

Thanks. Sorry if this stuff has already been asked and answered somewhere.

Hi-

1. No idea.

2. Not that is in the public record that I know of, and the guy is now deceased. Maybe SFPD interviewed him and it is in their files.

3. They did speak at Jackson and Cherry.

4. I can’t account for Fouke stating the person he saw had light colored hair. He has seen B/W and color photos of Mr. X and never raised any objections with respect to hair color. Hartnell and the kids said the man had either dark brown (under the hood) or brown hair (kids). The Wanted Poster says brown hair possibly with red tint.

5. Not that I know of. Supposedly there is a report on Pelissetti’s encounter with M.r X but I’ve never been able to get to see it.

Mike

Hi Mike

1. Seems weird. He had to be over there for something… or why wipe it down.

2. Okay, thanks.

3. Fouke said he turned left on Jackson and ran into Pelissetti. I don’t remember Pelissetti ever saying he passed Fouke there. If he passed a cop that just came off Jackson, why would he go right (where Fouke just came from) on Jackson looking for z? Why not turn left on Jackson and look that way. Weird.

4. Police report says reddish-blond "crew-cut" hair. That would have to be the kids description, right?

5. Okay, thanks.

Hi-

The hair behind the stamp that they showed on the 2002 ABC show was reddish-brown. When my friend Jim spoke to the Stine witnesses in 2003, I guess he focused more on the accuracy of the sketch, as opposed to the precise hair color. I wish we had thought of everything but that’s the way it goes. At any rate, neither the kids (who only, as I recall, saw B/W photos) nor Fouke, who saw both color and B/W photos, raised any objections to Mr. X as having hair that was too dark, etc.

As for the cab, there could be numerous reasons why he was wiping it down. I’d look for a thread on some board that addresses this issue, as I’m sure it has been beaten to death. For instance, there were prints found near blood on the post of the door. The killer may have been wiping off any other prints in the area to make those stand out because they are not his. One of the witnesses saw Z lean into the cab and touch the cab with his hand. Maybe he was attempting to remove those prints, etc. Maybe he was clearing a space so he could rub the prints from fingers he had cut off another person in order to throw the police off, etc.

As you can see, there have been numerous explanations over the years.

As for Pelissetti, watch the DVD from the Director’s Cut of Zodiac. In the documentary, he discusses running into Fouke on Cherry and then getting to the corner and having to decide which way to turn, etc.

Mike

Thanks for the reply.

Pelissetti had a choice to make, and chose to go in the direction Fouke just came from. I still think that’s a weird decision (unless Fouke did tell him he just saw the guy), but I’ll let it go… I guess.

Hi-

Well, at the time it was probably 50/50. He had to go somewhere. He decided against going straight due to the darkness at the end of Maple, and Fouke had just left the conversation and headed west towards Arguello. So I guess Pelissetti decided to turn right and "walk around the block."

Mike

Okay, got some questions. Figured this was as good as place as any.

1 – Any clue why z would be wiping down the drivers side door?
2 – Did anyone ever talk to the Peda guy that was Pelissetti’s partner?
3 – How do Pelissetti and Foulke not pass each other somewhere on Jackson? Something not right here.
4 – If the guy walking the dog was Mr. X, did he have reddish-blonde hair at the time? All the photos I’ve seen of him look like he has dark hair.
5- Is there any more police reports out there somewhere other than the 2 pages?

Thanks. Sorry if this stuff has already been asked and answered somewhere.

I think one possible answer to question one is that when Zodiac hailed Paul’s cab and Paul stopped, Zodiac may have walked up to the drivers side and spoke to Paul through his drivers window and put his hands on the drivers side door while leaning speaking to Paul.

"He got the details from the police force, somehow."

Yes Zodiac must have walked into SFPD Reception and asked the on duty Officer for a copy’s of the police reports from Oct 11. (Sorry, I know sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but I just can’t help myself lol).

No but serious, Assuming Zodiac was not a Police Officer himself, how could Zodiac have found out through Law Enforcement?

Assuming Zodiac was not a Police Officer himself, how could Zodiac have found out through Law Enforcement?

Why would you assume that? lol

No but serious, Assuming Zodiac was not a Police Officer himself, how could Zodiac have found out through Law Enforcement?

The only possible answer I can think of is if Zodiac were a member of the press.

Personally, however, I think that Zodiac was able to provide so much about the search because he watched it unfold from the safety of his car.

No but serious, Assuming Zodiac was not a Police Officer himself, how could Zodiac have found out through Law Enforcement?

The only possible answer I can think of is if Zodiac were a member of the press.

Personally, however, I think that Zodiac was able to provide so much about the search because he watched it unfold from the safety of his car.

I agree with you that Zodiac watched the search effort, but I don’t think it would have likely been from his car, that’s just my opinion. Where would he need to be parked to see the search? Only place I can see he would have to have parked to see the search is West Pacific Avenue itself and that would have stood out like a sore thumb. If he were anywhere in a parked car that would allow him to see the search, then that must mean that they (searching police) could also see his car. I think if Z had his car that night and got trapped and surrounded in it before he could drive away, then in all likelihood, he’d have been caught. I can’t see police not looking into cars parked close to West Pacific. There is another possibility that Zodiac chose to stay and watch in his car, and wasn’t because he was surrounded. But he would have needed to be close by in a car to do that, and he’d have been a sitting duck. I can’t see him deciding to hang around by his own free will in a car. If he had a car parked in the area, then it was parked there for one reason…Escape. Just my opinion.

Theres another odd thing I recently noticed while using Google map: street view. When I first became interested in this case, I thought that coming from Washington & Cherry onto Jackson St, the first exit off of Jackson St and into the Presidio was on Spruce St, and that’s the route I, for a long time, thought Zodiac had taken to get to the Presidio. I did not know that there was a pathway through onto West Pacific & into the Presidio on Maple St.(It’s commonly accepted that Zodiac did walk down Jackson at least as far as Maple because Officers saw a man fitting his description there). But now, after checking Google Maps: Street View again, I’ve discovered that there is a pathway through to the Presidio at the top of Cherry St also! Why wouldn’t Zodiac have ducked onto West Pacific using the pathway at the top of Cherry street? It would certainly remove any chance of him being seen on te far more risky Jackson St. I can only assume that Zodiac, whoever he was, did not know that that pathway was there at the top of Cherry street.

Assuming Zodiac was not a Police Officer himself, how could Zodiac have found out through Law Enforcement?

Why would you assume that? lol

Statistically, it’s extremely unlikely that Zodiac would be a serving Police Officer. Also, Zodiac wrote letter after letter to the press in his own hand. Police work involves, as we all know, a huge amount of paper work from crime reports, arrest reports, witness statement taking etc etc. So, it wouldn’t make sense, to me anyway, for Zodiac to keep writing and provoking police in his own hand to the point where almost every officer would be familiar with Z’s hand, to also be writing out reports, taking witness statements etc in his own hand as a police officer.

I’m not saying that Zodiac wasn’t a police officer, theres no way to know that for sure and that’s why I said ‘Assuming’. I am just saying that based on the known facts and data regarding Serial Killers, its very unlikely that Z would have been a serving Officer.

No but serious, Assuming Zodiac was not a Police Officer himself, how could Zodiac have found out through Law Enforcement?

The only possible answer I can think of is if Zodiac were a member of the press.

Personally, however, I think that Zodiac was able to provide so much about the search because he watched it unfold from the safety of his car.

How about a relative of a cop, a janitor at the PD, over-heard LE at the donut shop…..

I can’t see police not looking into cars parked close to West Pacific.

You have to recall, though, that the police had no reason to do that. They were looking for a guy on foot.