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Seagull
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The cold cases, like the Zodiac case, take a back seat to the current cases. The detective that joined the forum is from Vallejo PD and he not only investigates murders, he also investigates major crimes. Vallejo has a high crime rate and less than a week ago they had their 10th murder of the year which does not include the kidnapped, missing and presumed dead Pearl Pinson.

There is a Vallejo Homicide Watch FB page.

https://www.facebook.com/vallejohomicidewatch/

Vallejo has a much higher than average crime rate when compared to California’s average.

http://vallejohomicidewatch.weebly.com/ … -2000.html

The department is understaffed and underpaid.

www.santarosahitchhikermurders.com

 
Posted : June 12, 2016 2:07 am
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Hi-
A few observations: The page mentioning Anthony is actually page two of a doc that transmitted a request that the FBI check out the fingerprints of five different individuals. This is not a doc that is like an "emergency rush" on just Mr. Anthony, as if he were "the" hot suspect, and in fact Anthony’s is the final name in the request. So even within this document he is not given any priority. Second, I am surmising that the kid did not know the guy’s middle name. This suggests that SFPD, which is mentioned in the report as the source of the info on Anthony, must have lifted a finger to do at least SOME research on him, like pulling his DL, etc. Given the status of the fingerprint evidence as we know it today and also the fact that the prints that most interested SFPD were NOT to be found on a standard fingerprint card, I hope this was not the full extent of the steps SFPD took to clear him.

I feel that the fact that only the 8 year-old is mentioned in the report suggests that he may not have been the kid at 3898. Unless they left him "home alone" that night, one would think that the first thing this frightened child would have done is to run for his parents and get them to the window. If so, where is their report or sketch? We’ve never heard word one about anyone other than "young kids" at 3899 being the witnesses. I therefore leave open the possibility that if he was the kid from 3898, he may have been at the Robbins’ house for some reason that night. Maybe they regularly babysat him on a Saturday night? Maybe his parents went to the Belgian Embassy, as did Dr. and Mrs. Robbins, that night. Just thinking out loud here.

As with any other seemingly viable suspect who threatens my own research into a "different" PH resident, who lived much closer to the action than did Mr. Anthony and who was never investigated despite being spoken to by an SFPD officer that night, I am going to poke around into Mr. Anthony’s background to see what I can dig up. The reason is simple: I do not want to leave any unturned stones. I did this with Mr. Stewart’s theory and his handwriting and fingerprint evidence, which were found to be severely lacking in credibility. I’ve called upon some of my sources in SF and will ask them if they have anything to contribute. If we could establish that this man has black hair, that would be enough for me. But if SFPD was literally handed this guy on the night of the Stine murder by an 8 year-old (no less!) and let him slip through the cracks, this will be the ultimate embarrassment for them. My guess is that Anthony was one of the litany of suspects from that era who was investigated and "cleared." But to what extent he was cleared and how it was accomplished, I do not know.

Mike

Mike Rodelli

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In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer, a second edition in print format. 4.3 Amazon stars and great Editorial reviews. Twitter:@mikerodelli

 
Posted : June 12, 2016 4:54 pm
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Maybe they regularly babysat him on a Saturday night? Maybe his parents went to the Belgian Embassy, as did Dr. and Mrs. Robbins, that night. Just thinking out loud here.

Was thinking that too.

When Pelissetti arrives at the scene, the only persons out and about (so to speak) are the Robbins kids – whom he ushers back inside, etc. No adults/parents mentioned. If the 8 year old is indeed the kid at 3898, then the above strongly indicates that his parents weren’t home either.

 
Posted : June 12, 2016 5:27 pm
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Zodiac was someone who loved to see his name in the newspapers. The wealthy dog walker fits that model, as there are many articles about him and he has many Internet hits with PT Barnum like stunts–flying saucers, cars driving under other vehicles to show how sporty they were, paying outrageous sums for questionable race horses, writing an autobiography, etc. The "other" Mr. "X" barely has any Internet hits at all. He flew well beneath the radar. Seemed to shun publicity.

Mike Rodelli

Author, The Hunt for Zodiac; 3.9 stars on Amazon and
In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer, a second edition in print format. 4.3 Amazon stars and great Editorial reviews. Twitter:@mikerodelli

 
Posted : June 12, 2016 7:31 pm
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Pondering this, I’m reminded of the rumor about someone being picked up by the police and brought to the crime scene for identification: According to the most common version, this person was determined not to be the killer by one of the kids.

If that story is true, it would seem unlikely that the incident in question is related to the business with Anthony and the 8 year old witness – but who knows: I’ve always considered it one of those “too detailed and not sensational enough to be dismissed” rumors in the Z case. But then again, I’ve never seen anything resembling a confirmation that it actually happened.

However, just to speculate a bit (but within reason, I think):

Let’s say that the 8 year old was indeed with the Robbins kids that night. They all see the killer, and the 8 year old recognizes him (or thinks he does). After things have calmed down a bit and the officers in charge have arrived, the police learn about the 8 year old’s claim – and they head over to Anthony’s place (on Jackson St, as we now know) to pick him up. He’s brought to the scene but the older kids say “no, wrong guy.”

When it becomes clear that Zodiac is responsible for the murder, the SFPD still think it prudent to have the man’s prints checked and so forth – and there you have it: He ends up in the FBI files, so to speak.

Possible? It all depends – of course – on whether this “identification on the scene” story is actually true. Could be a sheer myth for all I know. But it – sort of – jibes with the idea that the 8 year old was with the Robbins kids, at least. Because if he was, it seems very likely that the cops would have learned about Anthony that night – and if so, why wait? No reason why they would not have headed over to his place in order to verify the kid’s claim straight away.

 
Posted : June 12, 2016 8:10 pm
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Well, I’m glad WC’s efforts finally paid off – and well done everybody for digging up relevant information.

He lived on Jackson St at the time, so the assumption that he must have been someone the kid knew from the area was accurate.

The main question now – as I see it – is on what grounds Anthony was checked out of the case (we have to assume that he was), and that brings us to the good old question of the unreleased SFPD material.

Another question is this: If the kid was well placed to ID the killer (assumption: the kid saw the actual killer and thought that he was Anthony), must we not necessarily conclude that Z bore a resemblance (possibly a strong one) to this person?

The premise above may not be true, of course: We don’t know for a fact that this kid actually witnessed Z leaving the crime scene – the exact circumstances of the identification remain unknown. As I’ve said before, this could be some sort of misunderstanding: On the face of it, it seems almost too good to be true that there is another (possibly excellent) witness out there in addition to the teens across the street – one that has only played a very minor part in the Z case as we know it.

Welsh Chappie says thank you for your kind words Norse and wishes you well. :D :D :)

 
Posted : June 17, 2016 7:35 pm
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FWIW…Many years ago Howard Davis found a string of letters/symbols in a book that were amazingly similar to Zodiac’s " MY name is" code. (AEN with crosshairs). It turned out that this string came from Old classic Greek. Personally I always though it more than coincidence but there was only so far you could take it. I had it translated at the time and while I cannot remember or find the exact translation it was something also the lines of " I constructed" or I invented…something like that.
In any case I thought the connection to the name Xenophone (also classic Greek) of interest.
It turns out that the middle name Lusby is derived from Old Norse. An unusual combination?
Probably one of those many coincidences this case throws up!

 
Posted : June 18, 2016 5:21 pm
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FWIW…Many years ago Howard Davis found a string of letters/symbols in a book that were amazingly similar to Zodiac’s " MY name is" code. (AEN with crosshairs). It turned out that this string came from Old classic Greek. Personally I always though it more than coincidence but there was only so far you could take it. I had it translated at the time and while I cannot remember or find the exact translation it was something also the lines of " I constructed" or I invented…something like that.
In any case I thought the connection to the name Xenophone (also classic Greek) of interest.
It turns out that the middle name Lusby is derived from Old Norse. An unusual combination?
Probably one of those many coincidences this case throws up!

Tom Voigt posted it here: http://www.zodiackiller.com/MyNameIs.html

I also mentioned it here: http://www.zodiackillerciphers.com/?p=467 (scroll down a bit, there are other examples).

I believe it transliterates to "anetheke" which is apparently a phrase used for formal dedications. Examples: https://books.google.com/books?id=IClnh … ke&f=false http://www.fhw.gr/chronos/04/en/society … _arts.html

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : June 18, 2016 9:15 pm
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http://www.usdirectoryfinder.com/result … y&state=CA

 
Posted : June 19, 2016 1:26 am
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https://www.searchquarry.com/namesearch … Jail&type=

Xenophon Anthony records. Nearly.

 
Posted : June 19, 2016 1:28 am
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I did a search for Xenophon Anthony at the Marin County Superior Court website. There were no records for him in either the Civil or Criminal Court records. According to the info in the help section the online records date back to the 70s. The website also says that traffic case information is not available online. Many of the background check sites consider a traffic ticket as part of a criminal record so it’s likely that Xen had a speeding ticket or something and that is why his name popped up.

Here’s the link to the Marin County Superior Court online search. You can check it out for yourself. It’s free.

http://www.marincourt.org/publicindex/default.aspx

www.santarosahitchhikermurders.com

 
Posted : June 19, 2016 1:46 am
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Is there any San Quentin prison records of inmates from 1970 onwards.

 
Posted : June 19, 2016 2:36 am
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The California Prison and Correctional Records online date from 1851 to 1950 except for the records from Alcatraz, they date from 1934 to 1963 when the prison closed. I can view them through Ancestry.com but I think they are available for free someplace, like the Internet Archive.

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Posted : June 19, 2016 2:48 am
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I believe it transliterates to "anetheke" which is apparently a phrase used for formal dedications.

Yes – it roughly translates to "dedicated to" or something along those lines, as far as I can gather. "Dedicated to Zeus by [artist’s name]." The formula seems to be:

"NAME" (usually a deity) "ANETHEKE" "NAME" (the artist).

At first glance it seems an awkward fit, if one can put it like that. The sentence would – seemingly – read: My name is "dedicated to X" or "dedicated by X".

Not impossible, of course. And the superficial resemblance is certainly noteworthy.

I don’t like that it isn’t an actual fit, though. If it read "anetheke" and no mistake – well, you have something unambiguous and solid. The moment you have to re-arrange the pieces (even just slightly), it becomes a different ballgame. It becomes much more likely that it’s just another coincidence rather than something meaningful.

It’s like – say – dates: Something happens on the 20th – fine. Something happens on the 22nd, which is no doubt very close to the 20th – not so fine. Could easily be a coincidence.

The above is just a general remark, of course. But in this particular case the question would be: If you intend to draw attention to "anetheke" (because this has some significance – it’s part of whatever game you’re playing), why the near-fit? Why not an actual fit? He isn’t hiding it very well to begin with – it’s practically there, just not quite. Which strikes me as – well – pointless on his part.

Could be a misspelling, of course. He was prone to those ;)

 
Posted : June 20, 2016 1:36 am
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I am not pushing this idea, but it was of momentary interest that the Halloween Card read Sorry No Cipher formed into an X.
The author then underlined LAV on the envelope. ie;no cipher but i’ll give you XLAV.
Xenophon Lusby Anthony, with Valerie Anthony in reverse.
Remember LAV and VAL being discussed. Anyway this is not to be pondered on too long.

 
Posted : June 20, 2016 2:13 am
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