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(@chase)
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So you’re basically asking for a DNA match or fingerprint match.

Nobody has that.

So I guess nobody was the Zodiac.

"They got DNA! Game on!"

 
Posted : June 21, 2021 11:50 pm
(@tomvoigt)
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Yes, that got DNA. The challenge is to determine who the DNA belongs to / Zodiac. Hence why I used the word "match."

 
Posted : June 21, 2021 11:53 pm
(@xcaliber)
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Gaikowski is in the open source database, so if they have an uploadable DNA profile–and anyone in his family tree has DNA on file–they can determine overnight if there is a match.

Compared to other recent developments Gaikowski is a solid suspect. Unlikely LE has a workable DNA profile.

If they do, and it’s taken this long, that implies either a) no one in a given known suspect’s or POI’s family tree has DNA on file; or b) the DNA matched to someone never on LE’s radar, and they need to old-fashioned gumshoe it before naming anyone.

 
Posted : June 22, 2021 12:32 am
(@vegas-lawyer)
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So you’re basically asking for a DNA match or fingerprint match.

Nobody has that.

So I guess nobody was the Zodiac.

No. I’m saying that you probably need more than "this guy could be the Zodiac." If you found a code book among Gaikowski’s belongings with newspaper clippings of Zodiac articles, I would have greater confidence in his guilt. If Gaikowski went by "Gyke" (not Gaik), I would be more convinced. If several people who knew him well said he had violent tendencies, I would be more convinced. He’s in the same boat with Kjell Qvale in my opinion. Everything we know about Kjell Qvale does not suggest that he is a killer or that he had room in his life for a secret double life. Everything we know about Gaikowski screams out the opposite of a serial killer. But there are some facts that lead me to believe he had the capability of committing those murders (by capability I mean training, poise, ability, but not necessarily the predilection to do so).

 
Posted : June 22, 2021 12:37 am
Russ Thompson
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He’s in the same boat with [Mr. X] in my opinion… Everything we know about Gaikowski screams out the opposite of a serial killer.

Agreed. There is just no evidence there at all – only amateur investigators who very much have thoughts and prayers about Gaikowski as the Zodiac.
Note also that many of the Gaikowski slanderers were aggressively slandering Arthur Allen when they firmly believed that Allen too was the Zodiac.

That was too much!

 
Posted : June 22, 2021 12:55 am
(@tomvoigt)
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Everything we know about Gaikowski…

Based on your last post, everything you know about him could fit in a thimble with plenty of room left over. And no, I’m not interested in correcting your many mistakes, you’ve clearly avoided learning about Gaikowski for a very long time and I wouldn’t want to tarnish that by repeating the accurate, corroborated info that’s been available beginning in 2008 to everyone with an Internet connection.
:D

 
Posted : June 22, 2021 12:58 am
(@vegas-lawyer)
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Everything we know about Gaikowski…

Based on your last post, everything you know about him could fit in a thimble with plenty of room left over. And no, I’m not interested in correcting your many mistakes, you’ve clearly avoided learning about Gaikowski for a very long time and I wouldn’t want to tarnish that by repeating the accurate, corroborated info that’s been available beginning in 2008 to everyone with an Internet connection.
:D

I’ve read your site pretty thoroughly regarding Gaikowski. If there is information that is not on your site, then you may have a point. But you have had since 2008 to make your case, if you haven’t yet, I’m betting that you won’t. My threshold of evidence necessary to call someone a suspect is much higher than yours.

 
Posted : June 22, 2021 1:10 am
(@tomvoigt)
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I’ve read your site pretty thoroughly regarding Gaikowski.

Not based on your posts today… :lol:

 
Posted : June 22, 2021 1:57 am
(@vegas-lawyer)
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I’ve read your site pretty thoroughly regarding Gaikowski.

Not based on your posts today… :lol:

I agree that he had training that COULD explain why Stine’s shirt was torn the way it was. I agree that his time in the mental institution corresponds with Zodiac’s hiatus. I don’t believe Nancy Slover could identify a voice she heard 40 years ago, especially when she heard it once for less than a minute. And her ID, even if accurate, would only mean that the caller sounded like Gaikowski. It wouldn’t mean that it was actually him. I think the GYKE reference in the 408 is interesting. But it would be more compelling if he actually went by Gyke. We are left with a phonetic connection, which is subject to interpretation and could also be pure coincidence. The rest of the "facts" just don’t amount to even probable cause. I don’t say that there is no evidence regarding Gaikowski. There just isn’t enough to charge him with anything. And how does he fit into Riverside? Do we have any record of him being there?

 
Posted : June 22, 2021 3:12 am
(@tomvoigt)
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The rest of the "facts" just don’t amount to even probable cause.

How in the hell would you know? Based on your posts here today you are beyond ignorant when it comes to the topic at hand: Gaikowski. You keep posting falsehoods and then pat yourself on the back for debunking them.
:D

 
Posted : June 22, 2021 3:15 am
(@vegas-lawyer)
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The rest of the "facts" just don’t amount to even probable cause.

How in the hell would you know? Based on your posts here today you are beyond ignorant when it comes to the topic at hand: Gaikowski. You keep posting falsehoods and then pat yourself on the back for debunking them.
:D

If there were probable cause, Narlow would have got a search warrant for his home or business in the 80s…unless for some reason the evidence wasn’t available then. I am basing this conclusion on what is on your website. There might be something that I am unware of that could change my mind. I am pulling all of my information from here: https://zodiackiller.com/zodiac-killer- … gaikowski/

 
Posted : June 22, 2021 3:31 am
(@xcaliber)
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<<There just isn’t enough to charge him with anything. And how does he fit into Riverside? Do we have any record of him being there?>>

If ‘charging’ him is even in the discussion, that’s way ahead of most anything else that’s happened in this case.

Implausible that he flew coast to coast for the weekend, committed the Riverside crime, and flew back.

The only way Gaikowski remains in play is if Riverside is determined to be an independent crime.

 
Posted : June 22, 2021 3:59 am
(@tomvoigt)
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Implausible that he flew coast to coast for the weekend

Yeah, nobody ever flies from NYC to LAX and back.
:roll:

 
Posted : June 22, 2021 4:05 am
(@xcaliber)
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Implausible that he flew coast to coast for the weekend

Yeah, nobody ever flies from NYC to LAX and back.
:roll:

Is your theory that he flew out with the specific intent of committing a crime?

Or is your theory that he flew out for other reasons, and the crime developed?

And what’s wrong with Riverside NOT being a Z crime, and strengthening Gaikowski as a Z suspect?

 
Posted : June 22, 2021 4:41 am
(@tomvoigt)
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I don’t have a theory. If Gaikowski was the Zodiac and killed Bates, he would have been in Riverside at that time. I don’t have proof he was there, but saying it’s somehow farfetched for someone to fly from NYC to LAX and back is silly when we know tens of thousands of individuals do it regularly. Also, Gaikowski is the guy who allegedly flew to Europe in September 1968 and stayed there for three months, remember? Even though he was unemployed, a three-month European vacation. But God forbid he go from NYC to LA.

 
Posted : June 22, 2021 5:07 am
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