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(@claypooles)
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And I’m the one that’s "not very bright" here? :lol:
This link is to a message board page, yes, and what’s the first message on that page? A post from you, stating that you "finally found and interviewed Nancy Slover, the former Vallejo Police Dept. switchboard operator who spoke with the Zodiac". That interview was videoptaped and you should know it since
you lead it! This is the video right here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7-SPl0AlxE&feature=youtu.be

I don’t get why you always want to be the picky guy who pretends not to understand things right away, no offense but I personally think that is just detestable. You often complain about people not giving credit to Richard Gaikowski as very possibly being the Zodiac, but I think your behavior is one of the main reasons for it, and that’s a pity.

 
Posted : November 9, 2018 11:39 am
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There are no links to a video in my post.

I never videotaped an interview with Nancy Slover.

The video you linked to is a TV show called "MysteryQuest" that was made more than two year after my message board post.

You are indeed blissfully ignorant.

 
Posted : November 9, 2018 10:46 pm
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Good, I’ll be that, no problem. That doesn’t change anything about what I said earlier: all we know for sure is that the Zodiac had a deep voice, and your arrogance doesn’t serve your hypothesis that Richard Gaikowski was the Zodiac, period.

 
Posted : November 10, 2018 3:14 am
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Good, I’ll be that, no problem. That doesn’t change anything about what I said earlier: all we know for sure is that the Zodiac had a deep voice, and your arrogance doesn’t serve your hypothesis that Richard Gaikowski was the Zodiac, period.

Good, thanks for admitting you can’t read and that you post inaccurate information. That’s a start.

But there’s one other thing we know for sure — that Nancy Slover said Gaikowski’s voice was identical to the Zodiac’s voice.

So cry harder.

 
Posted : November 10, 2018 4:14 am
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I don’t post inaccurate information, there is still a video showing Nancy Glover being presented a recording of Gaikowski’s voice. And if I cry, well I’ll do because of you because it’s a crying shame that you presented her with only RG’s voice instead of placing it among other voices (POIs and non-POIs). You just butchered a unique occasion to really check if Nancy recognized RG’s voice as the one she heard over the phone back in 1969. To me, you oriented her.

Again, I think you did a tremendous job on that case overall, but I just don’t like your personality and clearly I am not the only one but you can’t please everybody I guess .

 
Posted : November 10, 2018 12:08 pm
jacob
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I don’t post inaccurate information, there is still a video showing Nancy Glover being presented a recording of Gaikowski’s voice. And if I cry, well I’ll do because of you because it’s a crying shame that you presented her with only RG’s voice instead of placing it among other voices (POIs and non-POIs).

He didn’t! Glover was presented with other voices. She said ALA’s voice was less similar and Bruce Davis’s voice was "close".

 
Posted : November 10, 2018 6:05 pm
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My bad then, all apologies. Unfortunately, the ways to prove Nancy was right are very very limited if not non-existent. And sorry to insist, but her saying Bruce Davis’ voice was close just confirms that we just know the Zodiac spoke with a deep voice.

 
Posted : November 10, 2018 8:59 pm
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My bad then, all apologies. Unfortunately, the ways to prove Nancy was right are very very limited if not non-existent. And sorry to insist, but her saying Bruce Davis’ voice was close just confirms that we just know the Zodiac spoke with a deep voice.

http://www.zodiackiller.com/nancygyke.mp3

Here’s Nancy saying that Gaikowski sounded exactly like Zodiac. I am personally not stuck on Gaikowski as a suspect, but I do think this testimony from Nancy gives us a good suggestion of what Zodiac did sound like.

Gaikowski was from South Dakota. This does not necessarily mean Zodiac was from South Dakota, but it suggests he could have been from anywhere in the midwest or California. SD has a border with Montana where Zodiac claimed to have been imprisoned at Deer Lodge.

 
Posted : November 10, 2018 9:30 pm
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My bad then, all apologies. Unfortunately, the ways to prove Nancy was right are very very limited if not non-existent. And sorry to insist, but her saying Bruce Davis’ voice was close just confirms that we just know the Zodiac spoke with a deep voice.

http://www.zodiackiller.com/nancygyke.mp3

Here’s Nancy saying that Gaikowski sounded exactly like Zodiac. I am personally not stuck on Gaikowski as a suspect, but I do think this testimony from Nancy gives us a good suggestion of what Zodiac did sound like.

Gaikowski was from South Dakota. This does not necessarily mean Zodiac was from South Dakota, but it suggests he could have been from anywhere in the midwest or California. SD has a border with Montana where Zodiac claimed to have been imprisoned at Deer Lodge.

Unfortunately you are wasting your time, "Claypooles" is a Gaikowski expert and thus has nothing left to learn.

 
Posted : November 10, 2018 10:51 pm
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You are the one who makes stuff up.

*There were no links to a video in my post, as you claimed

*I never videotaped an interview with Nancy Slover, as you claimed

*The video you linked to is a TV show called "MysteryQuest" that was made more than two year after my message board post, contradicting your claim

You are a prime example of someone who should be learning and not posting, let alone arguing with someone like me who has actually put the time and effort into being informed.

 
Posted : November 11, 2018 12:10 am
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My bad, then, not the same thing. I know I don’t know each and every detail of the case but that won’t get me from posting, as you seem to think I should. First because you don’t get to decide if people can or cannot post here; second because as much as I have to learn about the case, you clearly have to learn as much about humility, and I don’t get my conduct dictated by big-headed persons like you :)
With that said, enough of these schoolyard games. Feel free to ignore me since I’ll do the same with you from now on ;)

 
Posted : November 11, 2018 1:16 am
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My bad, then, not the same thing. I know I don’t know each and every detail of the case but that won’t get me from posting, as you seem to think I should. First because you don’t get to decide if people can or cannot post here; second because as much as I have to learn about the case, you clearly have to learn as much about humility, and I don’t get my conduct dictated by big-headed persons like you :)
With that said, enough of these schoolyard games. Feel free to ignore me since I’ll do the same with you from now on ;)

If by humility you mean I need to stand by while derps like you blatantly misquote and misrepresent me, and then argue with me even when they are obviously wrong, then I don’t need or want humility.

 
Posted : November 11, 2018 2:07 am
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A complaint has been received about this thread. Can we get it back on track please. I will wait until the discussion proper picks up from where it left off then I will be removing the interim posts. THANK YOU!


I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.

 
Posted : November 11, 2018 5:33 pm
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http://www.zodiackiller.com/richard.mp3

RG: The whole thing about a code you gotta remember also. Until a code is broken you have never any way of knowing wether it’s a real code or wether it’s just a fake code. INTERVIEWER: What’s that mean? RG: It just means that sometimes the military and all of that sent garbled messages that meant absolutely nothing so that you get the enemy to spend all their time trying to break the code.

Excuse me if this has been brought up already. It is a short audio fragment from Richard Gaikowksi on codes taken from: http://www.zodiackiller.com/SuspectGaikowski.html

I find it interesting because it would seem to indicate some level of knowledge or interest of cryptography. The interviewer is Goldcatcher? Is the full interview available for download somewhere?

Anyone born in the 1930s, as Gaikowski was, would have quickly become familiar with secret decoder rings. Such decoder rings create substitution ciphers. And there you go. No special training necessary.

Gaikowski did have a knack for coding, however. At age 50, in around 1986, he launched a computer news resource in San Francisco, which required the old dog to learn new tricks. Pretty interesting.

 
Posted : November 11, 2018 9:56 pm
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Anyone born in the 1930s, as Gaikowski was, would have quickly become familiar with secret decoder rings. Such decoder rings create substitution ciphers. And there you go. No special training necessary.

I suppose that most people learn the concept of substitution one way or another before say reaching adulthood. Gaikowski saying "Until a code is broken you have never any way of knowing whether it’s a real code or whether it’s just a fake code." is very true. With the 408 and 340 I would at least like to think that Zodiac at some point in his life had a healthy interest in cryptography. The 408 cipher and its delivery was a masterpiece in every aspect and it set up the whole Zodiac thing just perfectly.

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : November 12, 2018 12:10 pm
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