some time ago i watch someone saying that in this case the ammo was from super x brand, i couldnt find it anywhere. I know it wasnt same caliber, but it was the same brand like i think lake herman road ammo used?
I have always been interested in Zodiac using the .22 caliber Super X ammo for several reasons.
One, it matches what was used at the possible Zodiac crime of Santa Barbara 6/4/63.
Two, the police conclusion that ZODIAC at LHR on 12/20/68 used (a) Super X ammo, (b) fired from a gun with six right twists and (c) was most compatible with being fired from a JC Higgins pistol matches exactly, a, b, and c, with what police determined the ZODIUS used on 6/25/68 at the Robison murders in Michigan.
Third, when police searched the Kaczynski cabin, not only did they find a black hood and a .22 rifle with a flashlight attached, matching what Zodiac used at Lake Berryessa and bragged about using to shoot people in the dark. They also found, out of the hundreds of different brands and types of ammo that could have been found, boxes of .22 Super X ammo.
This is an interesting find by Richard Grinell.
If you look at the Super X ammo itself, it has crossed lines inside a circle, very similar to the Zodiac symbol.
At both the possible Zodiac crime of the murder of Domingos and Edwards in Santa Barbara on 6/4/63 and LHR 12/20/68, .22 caliber Super X ammo was used, and both were fired from a gun with six right twists and grooves, most compatible with a JC Higgins .22 pistol.
Police report on Jensen – Faraday Murders, Lake Herman Road, CA, 12/20/68,in which ZODIAC wrote a letter to a newspaper with inside knowledge of the crime.
Police report on Robison Murder 6/25/68, Michigan, in which ZODIUS wrote a letter to a newspaper with inside knowledge of the crime.
Looking at the police reports above, we see that both weapons used in the murder of a Michigan couple (with kids present) on 6/25/68, and the murder of a California couple 12/20/68, were from a .22 caliber gun with six right twists and grooves, with police in both CA and MI stating that the most likely weapon used was a JC Higgins. Ammo used in both cases was .22 Super X brand.
In the 12/20/68 murder, police and press later received letters from killer, demanding they be printed in the newspaper, with details from the crime only the killer would know, killer dubbing himself ZODIAC.
In the 6/25/68 murder, police and press later received letters from killer, demanding they be printed in the newspaper, with details from the crime only the killer would know, killer dubbing himself ZODIUS.
In both 6/4/63 California and 6/25/68 Michigan, the female victim was left exposed, and in both cases, bodies were stacked atop one another. This is very rare. Former FBI Special Agent and serial killer profiler John Douglas referenced a study that found that after death posing of bodies occurs in less than 1% of homicides. The Robison family murders of 6/25/68 were one of a series of murders of Midwest murders were entire families were killed or the attack took place in a home where the family was present, The other possible crimes in this possible series include the attack on the Percy family home on 9/18/66 in which Valerie Percy was killed and the murder of the Bricca family in Ohio on 9/27/66, in which father, mother and daughter were killed. In the Bricca case, bodies were also posed, and like Santa Barbara 6/4/63, the female was placed on top of the male. Based on evidence I gave them, the detectives in the Bricca case issued a press release stating that the Zodiac Killer was being investigated as a suspect.
In 1972, police made an announcement to the press that the 6/4/63 murders were linked to the Zodiac murders. The ‘other evidence that can’t be discussed’ was the fact that Super X ammo was used at both 6/4/63 and 12/20/68, and that both were fired from a gun with six right twists and grooves. This is expanded upon elsewhere, maybe in Graysmith’s book Zodiac and perhaps elsewhere on this site.
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Wow AK, I wasn’t aware of all the matching details of the two ’68 and ’63 murders (the stacking of bodies
and so forth) that’s really weird, thanks for posting this !
Same caliber and same brand. At both Santa Barbara 63 and LHR 68, .22 caliber Super X ammo was used, and both were fired from a gun with six right twists and grooves, most compatible with a JC Higgins .22 pistol.
Police report on Jensen – Faraday Murders, Lake Herman Road, CA, 12/20/68.
Police report on Robison Murder 6/25/68, Michigan
Looking at the police reports above, we see that both weapons used in the murder of a Michigan couple (with kids present) on 6/25/68, and the murder of a California couple 12/20/68, were from a .22 caliber gin with six right twists and grooves, with police in both CA and MI stating that the most likely weapon used was a JC Higgins. Ammo used in both cases was .22 Super X brand.
In the 12/20/68 murder, police and press later received letters from killer, demanding they be printed in the newspaper, with details from the crime only the killer would know, killer dubbing himself ZODIAC.
In the 6/25/68 murder, police and press later received letters from killer, demanding they be printed in the newspaper, with details from the crime only the killer would know, killer dubbing himself ZODIUS.
In both 6/4/63 California and 6/25/68 Michigan, the female victim was left exposed, and in both cases, bodies were stacked atop one another. This is very rare. Former FBI Special Agent and serial killer profiler John Douglas referenced a study that found that after death posing of bodies occurs in less than 1% of homicides.
In 1972, police made an announcement to the press that the 6/4/63 murders were linked to the Zodiac murders. The ‘other evidence that can’t be discussed’ was the fact that Super X ammo was used at both 6/4/63 and 12/20/68, and that both were fired from a gun with six right twists and grooves. This is expanded upon elsewhere, maybe in Graysmith’s book Zodiac and perhaps elsewhere on this site.
+10 chabon!
Yes stack bodies one up other its rare.
there is any post about michigan or any video, its first time i see about it, normally things related to california and nevada events
The murdered bodies of sisters Barbara and Patricia Grimes case eerily has the same m.o of the stacking of bodies thing too, this is highly unusual in murders, which is why I think this is also an early zodiac crime also linked to the other ones mentioned in this thread
One interesting note someone mentioned, don’t know if this was known?
https://www.reddit.com/r/ZodiacKiller/c … &context=3
"the JC Higgins Model 80 was only sold at Sears.
I didn’t do any super sleuthing to figuring that out, just read the model 80 owners manual. 
The J.C. Higgins Model 80 was a Sears edition of the Hi Standard/Duramatic Model 101. It wasn’t branded as Sears though, it was branded as J.C. Higgins."
One interesting note someone mentioned, don’t know if this was known?
https://www.reddit.com/r/ZodiacKiller/c … &context=3
"the JC Higgins Model 80 was only sold at Sears.
I didn’t do any super sleuthing to figuring that out, just read the model 80 owners manual.The J.C. Higgins Model 80 was a Sears edition of the Hi Standard/Duramatic Model 101. It wasn’t branded as Sears though, it was branded as J.C. Higgins."
And here’s your crosshairs
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/
“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.
One interesting note someone mentioned, don’t know if this was known?
https://www.reddit.com/r/ZodiacKiller/c … &context=3
"the JC Higgins Model 80 was only sold at Sears.
I didn’t do any super sleuthing to figuring that out, just read the model 80 owners manual.The J.C. Higgins Model 80 was a Sears edition of the Hi Standard/Duramatic Model 101. It wasn’t branded as Sears though, it was branded as J.C. Higgins."
And here’s your crosshairs
Wow, was that well known? I’ve never seen that one brought up!
Great find Richard !
Here’s a link;
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-ne … er-targets
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/
“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.
I have always been interested in Zodiac using the .22 caliber Super X ammo for several reasons.
One, it matches what was used at the possible Zodiac crime of Santa Barbara 6/4/63.
Two, the police conclusion that ZODIAC at LHR on 12/20/68 used (a) Super X ammo, (b) fired from a gun with six right twists and (c) was most compatible with being fired from a JC Higgins pistol matches exactly, a, b, and c, with what police determined the ZODIUS used on 6/25/68 at the Robison murders in Michigan.
Third, when police searched the Kaczynski cabin, not only did they find a black hood and a .22 rifle with a flashlight attached, matching what Zodiac used at Lake Berryessa and bragged about using to shoot people in the dark. They also found boxes and boxes of .22 Super X ammo.
This is a very interesting find Richard.
If you look at the Super X ammo itself, it has crossed lines inside a circle, very similar to the Zodiac symbol.
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And law enforcement has no interest in seeing all this evidence and solving some cases? Why can’t the bullet at LEAST be linked definitively? My heart hurts for all these families. Great crosshairs find Richard.
And if I haven’t said it before – INCREDIBLE work AKWILKS and Richard G!!!
Michael Bates worked for the Sears Department Store. In 1938 Sears would relocate to Seventh and Main Street, Riverside.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/
“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.
Maybe the gun was inherited, along with a bunch of paper targets. Son of a LE officer, failed/wannabe LE officer himself. /worthless speculation sorry
