He goes so far as to mention Deer Lodge.

Possibly. We don’t know that for a fact. Hartnell didn’t remember it as Deer Lodge, Montana. The latter was suggested to him by Robertson – which makes sense, of course, Deer Lodge being a well known prison.

But what Hartnell actually recollected was something else.

I read the first post regarding Deer Lodge. The head man posted that information. I went with his idea here, he is an expert on these matters.

But you’re right, it’s still interesting that after all these years Deer Lodge is still the city widely believed to have been what Zodiac said and someone Ross knew well had a big connection to it. Let’s not forget that Ross’ dad would take his YMCA boys, including Ross and his brothers, on these western trips. So that could very well have been something Noel and Ross spoke about.

Holmes said:
I read the first post regarding Deer Lodge. The head man posted that information. I went with his idea here, he is an expert on these matters.

welcome to this site. someone says with authority one thing and you
go with that. next thing you know, someone else contradicts it. then
you ask the initial poster to clarify and he dances around. then you
ask a specific question like " is there anyway to prove if Ross’ prints
were ever taken?" and you get no answer. if Ross’ prints are on file,
most likely the discovery would either clear or convict him. i think
that is what we’re trying to do here. so, one more time…..
is there anyway of determining if LE has or ever had his prints? thanks

Holmes said:
I read the first post regarding Deer Lodge. The head man posted that information. I went with his idea here, he is an expert on these matters.

welcome to this site. someone says with authority one thing and you
go with that. next thing you know, someone else contradicts it. then
you ask the initial poster to clarify and he dances around. then you
ask a specific question like " is there anyway to prove if Ross’ prints
were ever taken?" and you get no answer. if Ross’ prints are on file,
most likely the discovery would either clear or convict him. i think
that is what we’re trying to do here. so, one more time…..
is there anyway of determining if LE has or ever had his prints? thanks

As I mentioned before, the big guy posted that info. I won’t challenge him. This man is known as the number one expert on the Zodiac case. Now we know Ross got arrested acting nutty in that phone booth. When they pinch you, they take your finger prints. Oh course they have his prints. They send them to the Feds. I don’t know, maybe you have never been arrested, but many people have, multiple times. I know a boxer from a Lowell that got arrested 66 times, and they took his prints 66 times. They always want to print people my friend, it’s what they do, and not much else. It’s ok because when they get you say nothing to them until you have a lawyer. Tell them you’re very athletic, and want to exercise your rights.

so you are saying they have Ross’ prints? then how do
we find them or at least determine conclusively that they
have them? i sure would appreciate someone answering
that REALLY knows what they are talking about. thanks.

so you are saying they have Ross’ prints? then how do
we find them or at least determine conclusively that they
have them? i sure would appreciate someone answering
that REALLY knows what they are talking about. thanks.

Bitter beat poet, is that like Jack Kerouac, from Lowell?

yep, my friend, a Notre Dame prof has written books on him.
it’s a general nod to the Beats.

yep, my friend, a Notre Dame prof has written books on him.
it’s a general nod to the Beats.

His wife Stella lived across the street from my grandfather. He used to hang around that strip bar, Nicky’s on Gorham St. In Lowell. I remember my grandfather throwing raw, old hamburg, across the street to their dog to eat.

yep, my friend, a Notre Dame prof has written books on him.
it’s a general nod to the Beats.

His wife Stella lived across the street from my grandfather. He used to hang around that strip bar, Nicky’s on Gorham St. In Lowell. I remember my grandfather throwing raw, old hamburg, across the street to their dog to eat.

My grandma lived in Lowell. Small world. Douglas Road.

I know a boxer from a Lowell that got arrested 66 times, and they took his prints 66 times.

66 times, eh? That’s not bad.

As for Ross, you’re right: If he was arrested in a normal fashion, they did print him.

However, if he was known to them as a mental case at the time, they may have detained him without printing him. Impossible to say without further details. The lack of details is a problem with Ross – in general. It should be easy to determine both this and that, given that he was very much known to the authorities in more ways than one. But apparently it isn’t.

At the time Ross was arrested in Santa Cruz LE was still putting prints on paper. No such thing as a computer to store all those bits of paper with prints. Departments regularly purged their files to get rid of unnecessary and outdated things. Since Ross was not arrested for a felony, his prints, if they were taken, were purged at some point. The only prints that would be kept for any length of time would be people arrested for a felony. Even if he was charged with a felony, I bet they would have been purged after his death.

At the time Ross was arrested in Santa Cruz LE was still putting prints on paper. No such thing as a computer to store all those bits of paper with prints. Departments regularly purged their files to get rid of unnecessary and outdated things. Since Ross was not arrested for a felony, his prints, if they were taken, were purged at some point. The only prints that would be kept for any length of time would be people arrested for a felony. Even if he was charged with a felony, I bet they would have been purged after his death.

and that is definite….100 percent? we don’t need to go over that
again later? someone on this site jumped me last week for making
the statement that we didn’t have his prints. i like facts just as
well as the next person, however there don’t seem to be a lot of
them in regards to Ross as Z. so we need to continue to build that
circumstantial case against him. however, i was questioned also on
DNA. well, LE stated in 2013 that they had Z’s DNA. that”s huge. they
also weren’t saying where they got it. so, how do we KNOW it didn’t
come from the bindings at LB? please no hearsay replies. post a link
with the FACTS. thanks Seagull for answering my question.

In my experience in speaking with LE and learning about procedure I am 98% sure this is what would have happened. There is a 2% chance that I am wrong. The only thing I can suggest to the disbelievers is to contact Santa Cruz PD and ask them what becomes of prints that may have been taken in 1968 for someone not charged or convicted of a felony and who died in the 70’s. You don’t have to name names or be specific, just ask what the general procedure for anyone’s prints would have been.

that’s a good answer!

yep, my friend, a Notre Dame prof has written books on him.
it’s a general nod to the Beats.

His wife Stella lived across the street from my grandfather. He used to hang around that strip bar, Nicky’s on Gorham St. In Lowell. I remember my grandfather throwing raw, old hamburg, across the street to their dog to eat.

My grandma lived in Lowell. Small world. Douglas Road.

No kidding, Douglas Rd. Is over in Belvidere. That’s the ritzy section off Lowell. My old doctor lived on Clark Rd., right around the corner from your grandma. That’s a nice area for sure. The old mill owners and bosses built their homes there back during the industrial revolution. I retired early from the phone company, and I almost moved to Lowell, but instead I moved down south. Yeah, I’m in RI, and is it a great place. Oh forget about it.

Yes, if you want the answers, pick up the phone and call law enforcement yourself! Many people would only take their word for things anyway. Napa did not get any testable DNA in regards to the Zodiac case. Surely they will tell anyone this who asks.