Look at Ted Kasinsky, Whitey Bulger, The Manson family, they all took LSD and they sure turned into seriel and mass murders. Are you kidding, these people were very intelligent. They were involved with that MK ultra tests, at Harvard and Walpole State Prison, in Mass.
And another thing, they wrote letters too, and they painted things at the murder sites, ie; Tate-laBiana Murders. That’s the crazy things they do on acid. The kids used to take it and then go to school all day. Then we played chess for a number of hours, so you can function fine on the stuff.

…I don’t know if Ross was the Zodiac, there is some interesting circumstantial evidence but nothing conclusive, but I AM POSITIVE he killed Cheri.

How are you positive he killed Cheri?

I could see this scenario….

Cheri is killed

The Library staff quickly turn Ross in as a Suspect, and they check him out and he really does have an airtight alibi.

Ross later writes the Bates letters

Later, Ross moves on to become Zodiac, and the ‘Riverside connection’ is exposed.

Zodiac investigators contact RPD and ask them if they have a good suspect, and RPD tells them about Bob Barnett(but not Ross or any other cleared Suspects).

Ross slips thru the cracks on both ends.

I’m not saying the above is exactly how it happened, but it may very well have happened that way.

Now, I would hope Z investigators went down to RCC to look for Suspects around the Library since the writing was linked inside the library. If they put 2 and 2 together, they would know what Zodiac looked like from the sketch,and would be looking for Guys that looked like the sketch that could have been in the library. Like I said, I hope this happened,but am not sure it did. Give me somebody else in that Library that looks exactly like the Stine sketch of Z, and they will get the same man hours that I have given to Ross.

it all seems possible Morf, except Ross wrote the letters and then
"graduates" to become a serial killer? if Ross was Z, he killed CJB.
please spell out clearly your reasons for regularly posting your
suspicion he wasn’t her killer. i for one, would be interested in
hearing them. thanks.

I’m not against Ross or Z being Cheri’s killer, it’s possible, I am more focused as to whether Z/Ross wrote the letters & desktop in her case.

according to S. Morrill, Z wrote the Riverside stuff. that’s good
enough for me. how will we ever get anything more definitive than that?
as far as Ross writing the CJB related things, if he wrote them,
looks like case solved to me. Paul Averly doesn’t have Morrill’s
clout, but he’s done a good job of convincing me that Ross
likely wrote the Riverside stuff. where’s law enforcement when
we need them?

according to S. Morrill, Z wrote the Riverside stuff. that’s good
enough for me. how will we ever get anything more definitive than that?
as far as Ross writing the CJB related things, if he wrote them,
looks like case solved to me. Paul Averly doesn’t have Morrill’s
clout, but he’s done a good job of convincing me that Ross
likely wrote the Riverside stuff. where’s law enforcement when
we need them?

Thanks BBP. The Yellow Book was written almost 30 years ago and it pretty much spells out the Z Riverside stuff very clearly.

Michael Butterfield, also did some great work further investigating the Riverside connection.
http://zodiackillerfacts.com/main/river … mysteries/

And on this very site, Trav basically shows us why Sherwood would say Z wrote the Riverside stuff.

As for Ross
Jeff P made a great breakthrough and connected Ross to CJB. When Toschi heard about Ross from Peterson, he never knew these important facts we now know.
-Ross knew CJB.
-Ross had a SF connection.
-Ross looked very much like the Stine sketch.

The Stine sketch fails to show that Z was a heavy person. It makes Z look like a skinny Gary S type. But we know from other evidence Z had the body type that Ross had. Stomach hanging out and all.

As for proof, Morf is right, we don’t need proof Ross killed CJB, only that he was the one who wrote the letters. Since the writer in all likelihood later became Z.

I admit, IF Z wasn’t the one who wrote the Riverside letters, Ross could not have been Z.
If that is the case then the evidence and the main stream understanding of the case is completely wrong. This would mean things like, copy cat writers, multiple killers, and starts to get into Thomas Horan type world…

i agree with everything you said. good post.
one thing i do believe, but couldn’t prove,
this case is not about multiple killers, writers of
letters, etc. this was the work of one single psychopath
that was intelligent but also incredibly lucky.
so, don’t give him too much credit or make
the case too complex.

Guess I’ve been delinquent on checking new posts, so I will pipe in now.

While I usually side with Occam, I am not so sure the multiple perp theory is wrong. Maybe one killed, and then later one wrote. Don’t know, but I am starting to see some contrasts in the handwritings, though perhaps nothing haldol, etc might not affect.

The CJB/Barrett/Sullivan connections are oddly coincidental, so I really am unsure what to think of that yet.

The Montana Prison break, to me, is nothing but a "fun" story. The prison break/riot was all over national news. I hate to cite wikipedia, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_State_Prison

As far as DNA, and I will add this to the DNA feed tomorrow, yes, with deep sequencing they can essentially get it down to ethnicity, and potentially family. Or darn close. Also, Harriet, the mother of Ross, had a tumor removed which may exist on slides. But to me, one thing that could be interesting is the BRCA1 and 2 genes. Harriet died of breast cancer/metastases so there may be samples. Tim died young of cancer. BRCA mutations might be a good place to start.

EDIT- too bad Ross was cremated, maybe he had a brain tumor. Not making fun, just a real possibility.

-m

RE: DNA, all we need is a willing Family member to help rule Ross out

RE: DNA, all we need is a willing Family member to help rule Ross out

Which we don’t have. It may be frustrating, but it isn’t a brick wall. Just an obstacle to work around for now.

Can you ask Detective Poyser if they can, or have, analyzed their Z DNA for ethnicity traits? It’s obviously already been sequenced since it’s been used to rule out several suspects. That would go a long way towards pointing towards, or away from, Ross (and all other suspects.)

It’s clear Det. Poyser sees value in this site, and I’m sure he’d see the advantages if we as a community could narrow the field of suspects.

Gotta wonder what a Ross family member would say if a decent policeman asked politely for A sample.. Elimination of Ross as a POI is a real posability, As would be closure for victims family’s. It’s a conundrum for them.. That quote from Edmund Burke in ‘Thoughts on the Cause of Present Discontents’ has, in general use, come to be delivered as, ‘The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. That’s the conundrum for a Ross family member.. Death has removed that nessesity as no more evil can be done, so the answer can only be in the heart, and the heart pulses for all our family’s for all there imperfections and in this case that is to let that family member sleep in peace. But Others are involved,and they are the potential victims family’s, they are the ones not sleeping so well.

Would a photo of Ross with blonde hair rule out Cheri for some?

Would a photo of Ross with blonde hair rule out Cheri for some?

No since Ross only needed to write the letters. Even if Ross had bleach blonde hair on his head, it didn’t mean every hair on his entire body was the exact same color.

Would a photo of Ross with blonde hair rule out Cheri for some?

There was a posting on Tom Voight’s site where he asked Riverside Police Detective Steve Shumway several questions about why he didn’t believe Zodiac had killed Cheri. This was from a couple of years ago. Shumway had listed off several points.

One point was that their candidate, Bill Bennett, had blonde hair and the sample they had on file was blonde. So I don’t know why the FBI wrote down the hair was brown (NOT DARK BROWN as you keep saying). But according to the Riverside Police Department the hair was blonde. So like the rest of this case, there is a discrepancy about the physical evidence from two different good sources.

This was the one where Shumway also says, "I know one thing, the Zodiac and the killer of Cheri were two different people" or something to that effect. So you can look it up, it’s there.

After all, why did the RPD go after Bennett for so long if they thought the perps hair was brown, since Bennett clearly had blonde hair?

I keep saying the hair was dark brown? Only Hartnell said that.

I am strictly going by the DNA analysis–no he said she said. The FBI mentioned–and there is proof shown here documented in paperwork–(4) brown Caucasian hairs. People get hot on a suspect and they tend to dismiss viable evidence, the R.P.D. not withstanding.

I keep saying the hair was dark brown? Only Hartnell said that.

I am strictly going by the DNA analysis–no he said she said. The FBI mentioned–and there is proof shown here documented in paperwork–(4) brown Caucasian hairs. People get hot on a suspect and they tend to dismiss viable evidence, the R.P.D not withstanding.

Problem is, Hartnelll said that & it’s in the report,but in the same report, a witness told police that Cecelia said Z was wearing glasses under the hood. So…do we believe the reports, or not believe the reports??