I hope you are never a Judge, Letting the sketch Sway you that it might be a certain suspect because they are a dead fit for the sketch. Studies into there accuracy show sketches are wrong upwards of 90 percent of the time. Most of the time they look nothing like the suspect.

I’m not sure about your percentages but I’ll take your word for it. I’m certainly not hanging my hat on the sketch but to ignore it, especially when you have a POI who is a dead on look a like would be silly not to look into it.

In 2013 I posted a question “why not Laurence Kane?” There were many good responses, but kinda what I was looking for was, “it can’t be him he was in this area at that time of this or that killing.” Or something similar.

Pick a random name out of a phone book and you’ll have a better suspect than Kane.

As far as Sullivan is concerned, it was established that he had an alibi for both the Bates and Berryessa attacks. If that doesn’t reason him out, I don’t know what would.

Tom, I know you have said this a few times now. The issue is, it not verified by anyone but you. Not to take shots at you, but it’s sort of like the DNA news you said was breaking several months ago, and that Zodiac was about to be identified….and we all know how that turned out.

I have lots of the Z reports from the main jurisdictions, and there are lots of Zodiac suspects listed. NONE of them have the last name Sullivan. Furthermore, I talked to 2 different Napa investigators over the years. Both told me Ross Sullivan was not listed in their suspect list. By the flip side of the coin, they gave me the names of 2 Riverside POI’s I had never heard of. Wouldn’t a guy that was ruled out in the Napa crime be on the Napa files someplace? Additionally, I started this Ross Sullivan thread on your site almost 6 years ago: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/zodiack … t7132.html

Yeah.

Your first 2 responses to the thread were "You can send away for a copy of his Social Security application". & "Too young to be Zodiac IMHO, but he still might have responsible for what happened to Cheri". A couple weeks later you wrote "He was older than I thought. Also…"a huge guy?" That doesn’t really fit Zodiac." This was followed by "His height and weight are of interest to me now. Maybe someone can snag DMV records"

In fact, you made several comments early on. Not one of them was to say that ‘Ross was ruled out for both the Bates case and Berryessa attack" Then at some point, you suddenly have this information that Ross was ruled out for both? Sorry, I simply don’t believe that, not without seeing proof.

To further illustrate this, your post from May, 2015…."Let’s put aside the Cheri Bates stuff, since there’s a strong chance Zodiac did not kill her. What is the main piece of compelling info linking Sullivan to the Zodiac crimes? Pretend you have to choose one" There is still no indication that you have documentation that rules Ross out.

Flash forward to jun, 2018, another of your posts "Everyone wants a pic of Ross from 1969. I don’t think he was the Zodiac, but without documentation of what he weighed etc from the relevant time period, it’s an assumption he was too heavy, albeit perhaps a fair assumption for some" Still no indication you have intel that rules Ross out.

I just tried to weed thru the 60+ Ross pages on your site, and can’t even find where you first state you have info about something ruling Ross out. But one way or another, you say that you have that intel. Sorry, but seeing is believing. For the reasons stated above (False DNA info, etc)and the fact you made so many posts about Ross yourself(none of them saying he was ruled out) I simply do not believe it

That makes sense to some degree.

it’s sort of like the DNA news you said was breaking several months ago, and that Zodiac was about to be identified….

I never said such a thing.

What I said was that DNA was recovered. Which is true. Does the DNA belong to the Zodiac? I don’t know, nobody does yet.

I never claimed Zodiac was about to be identified, or that the recovered DNA definitely belonged to the Zodiac. Please make a correction.

Morf, we have been over this several times. Ross went off my radar after I met with Napa County in 1998 and was told he was ruled out, I believe because he was in a mental hospital at the time of the Berryessa attack. Then about a year ago I started going over my old notes in preparation for a podcast, and that refreshed me on the Ross situation. I’m ok with people not believing me. That aside, the library workers were told by police that he had an alibi for Bates. Which is problematic and has nothing to do with me or my research.

it’s sort of like the DNA news you said was breaking several months ago, and that Zodiac was about to be identified….

I never said such a thing.

What I said was that DNA was recovered. Which is true. Does the DNA belong to the Zodiac? I don’t know, nobody does yet.

I never claimed Zodiac was about to be identified, or that the recovered DNA definitely belonged to the Zodiac. Please make a correction.

I don’t want to re-hash or go back thru it, but I seem to recall that the term ‘genetic genealogy was about to be started’ or something along those lines was used

Morf, we have been over this several times. Ross went off my radar after I met with Napa County in 1998 and was told he was ruled out, I believe because he was in a mental hospital at the time of the Berryessa attack. Then about a year ago I started going over my old notes in preparation for a podcast, and that refreshed me on the Ross situation. I’m ok with people not believing me. That aside, the library workers were told by police that he had an alibi for Bates. Which is problematic and has nothing to do with me or my research.

Yeah, I get where you are coming from. But, I have info that I know I got directly from 2 people saying just the opposite that Ross wasn’t even in their POI index let alone as being ruled out. I trust stuff I see on paper I guess more than 20 year old memories,but I’m sure we all do.

I don’t want to re-hash or go back thru it, but I seem to recall that the term ‘genetic genealogy was about to be started’ or something along those lines was used

I never made any public claim regarding ‘genetic genealogy was about to be started’.

I also never claimed it was Zodiac’s DNA that was obtained, or that he would be identified soon.

Hopefully I won’t ever misquote you in a way that makes you look completely unreliable. But if I do, I’ll correct it.

I have info that I know I got directly from 2 people saying just the opposite that Ross wasn’t even in their POI index let alone as being ruled out.

Maybe Napa never considered him a POI because another jurisdiction had already made record of him being in a mental institution at the time.

I don’t want to re-hash or go back thru it, but I seem to recall that the term ‘genetic genealogy was about to be started’ or something along those lines was used

I never made any public claim regarding ‘genetic genealogy was about to be started’.

I also never claimed it was Zodiac’s DNA that was obtained, or that he would be identified soon.

Hopefully I won’t ever misquote you in a way that makes you look completely unreliable. But if I do, I’ll correct it.

You certainly alluded to it happening saying it was your gut feeling the genetic genealogy was happening right now. Of course you back tracked and deleted all those claims however that doesnt mean you never made them.

I guess we all misunderstood you musta been talking about Jack the rippers DNA when you posted all those threads on Reddit claiming they had obtained Zodiac DNA.

You certainly alluded to it happening saying it was your gut feeling the genetic genealogy was happening right now. Of course you back tracked and deleted all those claims however that doesnt mean you never made them. I guess we all misunderstood you musta been talking about Jack the rippers DNA when you posted all those threads on Reddit claiming they had obtained Zodiac DNA.

You mentioned reddit, I bet you fit right in over there.

What I posted was: "THEY GOT DNA — GAME ON." Which is a true statement, as DNA was in fact obtained from the Zodiac evidence that was submitted to the lab.

However, I never claimed the DNA definitely belonged to the Zodiac. I have a feeling that will go over your head, so allow me to explain: Believe it or not, just because DNA is obtained from evidence items, it doesn’t automatically mean the DNA belongs to the bad guy.

And I never claimed an identification would be made soon.

Troll on!

I think you better get back to work catching the Zodiac. He is still a free man.

You certainly alluded to it happening saying it was your gut feeling the genetic genealogy was happening right now. Of course you back tracked and deleted all those claims however that doesnt mean you never made them. I guess we all misunderstood you musta been talking about Jack the rippers DNA when you posted all those threads on Reddit claiming they had obtained Zodiac DNA.

You mentioned reddit, I bet you fit right in over there.

What I posted was: "THEY GOT DNA — GAME ON." Which is a true statement, as DNA was in fact obtained from the Zodiac evidence that was submitted to the lab.

However, I never claimed the DNA definitely belonged to the Zodiac. I have a feeling that will go over your head, so allow me to explain: Believe it or not, just because DNA is obtained from evidence items, it doesn’t automatically mean the DNA belongs to the bad guy.

And I never claimed an identification would be made soon.

Troll on!

But from the back of the stamps right? I’m clinging onto optimism that they have something to work with.

But from the back of the stamps right? I’m clinging onto optimism that they have something to work with.

I believe so, but don’t know for sure. I’m lucky to be told anything, so I don’t like to press it.

Twenty years ago if there are were no police departments that had Ross on their radar it figures that they wouldn’t have any evidence on him whatsoever. The most evidence on Ross is right here on this web sight. So if Ross is the Zodiac it would be a great day for Morf. He discovered Sullivan as a suspect. And it looks like this may be nearing the end of the investigation.

There are a number of Zodiac websites that are online. The Zodiac Killer Site is by far the best Zodiac website. Morf has done his homework and it shows.