he most likely lost his job at the college after the phone booth
incident. if he was temporarily institutionalized over it, what
would he do if he had no money when they released him? there
aren’t a lot of options. stay with friends? for all we know, he could
have made a new friend in the institution that was from San Fran.
we have the post in his own words about staying at the Y. there’s
no way at this time to prove it, but a reasonable assumption can
be made that he could have sometimes stayed in San Fran at the Y.
and just as reasonable, Vallejo. his father’s employment for the Y
gave him a lot of experience with that situation also. and has been
said before, you won’t show up in a Polk’s if you’re staying there either.
his "vocation" as a dishwasher meant he could have got that job
just about anywhere he went. and, quite easily. restaurants are
always looking for dishwashers. he could have even worked for a bit at
the IHOP in Vallejo and stayed at the Y there. all he needed was a car.
and the recent post makes it most likely that he drove.

PLEASE, refrain from the "could have’s"…..he could have done a lot of things, but your "reasonable assumptions" just takes it too far. Now you have him possibly working at the Ihop because he washed dishes?

"Maybe, could have"….Ross could have done a lot of things, but there is absolutely zero proof of this.

I agree, the ‘could haves’ & ‘might haves’ may be worth exploring, but shouldn’t be assumed

For the record, I am finding no YMCA in my Vallejo Polk.

Surely they were elsewhere in the driving vicinity, so if there was not one in Vallejo, it won’t matter.

and i’m not assuming anything…..just making some reasonable
statements. a few weeks ago, we were arguing over whether he
stayed at the Y or drove a car. it now seems that both of those
are likely. so, why is it unlikely that he stayed in the Y in San
Fran and drove his car to commit the Vallejo area murders,
i would say these are very likely possibilities. if the DMV records
from that far back are expunged, and there were probably very
minimal records kept by the Y, then it is going to be very hard
to "prove" that Ross was Zodiac. Morf has been adamant about
proving his connection to San Fran during the 68-70 period.
if he was transient and a part-time dishwasher…..good luck
proving anything!

For the record, I am finding no YMCA in my Vallejo Polk.

Surely they were elsewhere in the driving vicinity, so if there was not one in Vallejo, it won’t matter.

thanks for checking that out. and yes, i’m sure there were others
close by that had temporary rooms. also, crashing at a friend’s house
or even sleeping in your car. when the weather’s nice, lots of homeless
people sleep in parks, etc. there’s many possibilities. the rub is, none
of this will leave a paper trail. it seems like the best you could hope
for is that someone that knew him back then, confirms this. what then?
several members on this site doubting the credibility of that testimony?
at this point in time, the Jack Webb "just the facts, Ma’am" is not going
to work on this case.

and i’m not assuming anything…..just making some reasonable
statements.

"A reasonable assumption can be made…"

Anything is possible. Reasonable? Not so much.

For the record, I am finding no YMCA in my Vallejo Polk.

Surely they were elsewhere in the driving vicinity, so if there was not one in Vallejo, it won’t matter.

Seagull messaged me this today-

"I quickly looked up the YMCA in the Vallejo directory and there was one at 508 Alabama St. Edward J Andreson was the manager. The last name was spelled like that in the book."

The transient bit works with the beach part.. Lots of beach huts back in the day .. A few deaths "associated" with Z around the beach.

so now if we could determine they had rooms for rent. as was posted
here earlier, not all of them did.

For the record, I am finding no YMCA in my Vallejo Polk.

Surely they were elsewhere in the driving vicinity, so if there was not one in Vallejo, it won’t matter.

thanks for checking that out. and yes, i’m sure there were others
close by that had temporary rooms. also, crashing at a friend’s house
or even sleeping in your car. when the weather’s nice, lots of homeless
people sleep in parks, etc. there’s many possibilities. the rub is, none
of this will leave a paper trail. it seems like the best you could hope
for is that someone that knew him back then, confirms this. what then?
several members on this site doubting the credibility of that testimony?
at this point in time, the Jack Webb "just the facts, Ma’am" is not going
to work on this case.

Certainly neither will the testimony of someone from almost 50 years ago. Taking someone’s word for something might interest some, but to prove someone was Zodiac, you’d need a lot more than that! So no, I do not just blindly accept someone’s statements as truth.

I have seen a lot of sleeziness with this case. Good people who have turned out to be bullshitters, people who lie and fabricate stories to make their suspect more intriguing. I have also learned in my life to take no one’s word "just because".

That is not to say not to look into something that is offered. When it is, I think THAT is when you take it into consideration.

For the record, I am finding no YMCA in my Vallejo Polk.

Surely they were elsewhere in the driving vicinity, so if there was not one in Vallejo, it won’t matter.

Seagull messaged me this today-

"I quickly looked up the YMCA in the Vallejo directory and there was one at 508 Alabama St. Edward J Andreson was the manager. The last name was spelled like that in the book."

Ok…in mine it was the "Vallejo-Benicia Chapter of the American Red Cross" and the "Young Mens Christian Association". (1967) So it wasn’t listed in the typical sense. Without the address, I didn’t notice it.

Here’s the most logical conclusion one can currently hold with the current information: Ross lived in Santa Cruz after he left Riverside until his death. We have no information stating otherwise. And while its true that there is no information stating that he stayed in Santa Cruz, it is still the most logical and sensible conclusion to hold, vs the idea that he didn’t stay in Santa Cruz with no evidence showing that.

Here’s the most logical conclusion one can currently hold with the current information: Ross lived in Santa Cruz after he left Riverside until his death. We have no information stating otherwise. And while its true that there is no information stating that he stayed in Santa Cruz, it is still the most logical and sensible conclusion to hold, vs the idea that he didn’t stay in Santa Cruz with no evidence showing that.

it’s not the most logical. When he died in 1977, his death certificate said he was a county resident of Santa Cruz county for 3 years (back to 1974). Before that he was a Santa Cruz resident in the 1968 Book. From 1968 to 1974, where was he???? His death cert didn’t say 10 years as a Santa Cruz resident.

Again, coincidentally or not, that 68-74 timeframe, for better or worse, is the time Zodiac was active. All we want to do is rule him out.

From 1968 to 1974, where was he???? His death cert didn’t say 10 years as a Santa Cruz resident

Occams razor suggests he was still in Santa Cruz. We have no reason to believe he wasn’t.

Gerald Katz’s story????? said he lived in Santa Cruz and San Francisco.
so i guess it comes down to just believe what you choose to believe!

Could be a formality of some kind. That he lived there, de facto, but didn’t count as a resident for some reason. Possibly something to do with his status as such, the fact that he was institutionalized in one way or the other (which seems likely), etc.

Then again, perhaps he had a sojourn in an institution somewhere else at some point, spent enough time out of the county not to qualify as a resident, was then re-registered (so to speak) when he came back.