Gerald Katz’s story????? said he lived in Santa Cruz and San Francisco.
so i guess it comes down to just believe what you choose to believe!

Unfortunately, Katz has no more details about the SF timeframe. Katz has been spot on with everything else,so I will give him benefit of the doubt

Katz confirmed to me just yesterday that he lived all over San Francisco area.

He was in Santa Cruz in very EARLY 1968 (Feb 5), and likely again in very late 1970 (December 17). I’m willing to bet, without causing a fight about it, that he was in some mental institution between 1971 and 1974. Then back to Santa Cruz where he lived out rest of his days at that group home.

It’s in between Feb 5 1968 to December 17 1970, a pretty important 2 years and 10 month period, where his whereabouts are unknown.

Assuming he was always in Santa Cruz is as absurd as assuming he stayed in every YMCA in the Bay Area. Especially since we have TWO pieces of information that suggest he wasn’t in Santa Cruz the whole time (the death certificate and Gerald Katz’ information who has been spot on about everything and was relaying what Ross’ brother had told him).

PS Katz had no more additional details about where in San Francisco he was, etc. He only said that Timothy told him 1) that he lived all over San Francisco area; 2) he believed he committed the Zodiac murders/letter writing during periods he was out of the hospital. I assume this meant that Ross had basically been in and out of hospitals since 1968.

From 1968 to 1974, where was he???? His death cert didn’t say 10 years as a Santa Cruz resident

Occams razor suggests he was still in Santa Cruz. We have no reason to believe he wasn’t.

Sorry, gotta disagree. The official county document,detailing his years in Santa Cruz lists him as a resident there since 1974,I will go with the official document until I see something that says something else

Jeffp, check your PM

From 1968 to 1974, where was he???? His death cert didn’t say 10 years as a Santa Cruz resident

Occams razor suggests he was still in Santa Cruz. We have no reason to believe he wasn’t.

Sorry, gotta disagree. The official county document,detailing his years in Santa Cruz lists him as a resident there since 1974,I will go with the official document until I see something that says something else

I wonder how they determine when someone arrived in a county?

not sure,I would think that it’s from a form filled out by next of kin?

if Mr. Katz’s info about Ross living all over San Francisco during
the time of the Zodiac murders, and the earlier testimony of the
lady saying she remembered him driving a VW when she knew him in
Riverside is all correct, it seems we’re getting pretty close. if we
can just find one credible person that knew him fairly well
during that time frame…….keep up the good work folks.

It was stated the "San Francisco area". Some people would lump Santa Cruz into the S.F. area…even though it really not. Especially people from Southern California.

I wonder how they determine when someone arrived in a county?

Good question.

Here’s another – technical – question:

Is it considered sensitive information that NN was institutionalized at such-and-such-a-place from DDMMYY to DDMMYY? In itself, I mean? It’s obvious that actual medical records aren’t available to everyone and his granny, but the mere location where the person happened to be?

Looking at Ross’ history, he seems like a guy who fell to pieces in 1968. And who never recovered. He seems, in short, like a guy who could have easily been in the system – so to speak – from the arrest and to his death at the old folks’ home. And yet certain things seem to indicate that he was not.

A guy on welfare, with serious mental problems, possible physical problems, who wasn’t deemed fit to be in charge of his own economy – and so forth. There has to be records of where this person happened to reside, surely? Unless he was NOT – for some reason – in the system for the entire period. Or unless there is a reason (see the question above) why the PI, for instance, was unable to unearth this information.

I wonder how they determine when someone arrived in a county?

Good question.

Here’s another – technical – question:

Is it considered sensitive information that NN was institutionalized at such-and-such-a-place from DDMMYY to DDMMYY? In itself, I mean? It’s obvious that actual medical records aren’t available to everyone and his granny, but the mere location where the person happened to be?

Looking at Ross’ history, he seems like a guy who fell to pieces in 1968. And who never recovered. He seems, in short, like a guy who could have easily been in the system – so to speak – from the arrest and to his death at the old folks’ home. And yet certain things seem to indicate that he was not.

A guy on welfare, with serious mental problems, possible physical problems, who wasn’t deemed fit to be in charge of his own economy – and so forth. There has to be records of where this person happened to reside, surely? Unless he was NOT – for some reason – in the system for the entire period. Or unless there is a reason (see the question above) why the PI, for instance, was unable to unearth this information.

An issue- The PI has dropped off the face of the Earth. We corresponded as recently as May, and then all contact on their part stopped. I don’t know why. I can’t follow up with her.

She definitely found more then we would have done I think on our own. I wouldn’t even know where to find a mental conservatorship for Ross, but she did. I have checked, and due to CA Privacy laws, finding something,anything, on people that were in hospitals,etc, it not possible for a non Family member, and in some cases, not even for a Family member.

We could get answers in weeks if Ross’s Brother would help. As next of kin, he could get the abstract for Ross’s SS,and tell us everyplace Ross ever worked and paid taxes, every address he collected SS $ at,etc. He won’t help, and as non next of kin, we can not get that abstract.

You need a P.I. to find the P.I.

She definitely found more then we would have done I think on our own. I wouldn’t even know where to find a mental conservatorship for Ross, but she did.

Indeed – and that’s just it. You’d think she would have found out where he resided in the relevant period. If he was constantly institutionalized, in care, under conservatorship, on welfare…or something during those years, then this has to be a matter of record. The records may be hard to obtain, at least for amateurs, but at least they have to exist.

Perhaps the lack of record for these years indicates his period of time when he’s institutionalized. We can’t obtain his records for when he was in any institution, we don’t know the dates he was in the institution for, but we do know that he was in one at some point. We have accounted for only but a few years left in Ross’ life. Would it not make sense that these missing years were the years he was in an institution?

Would it not make sense that these missing years were the years he was in an institution?

It would. But my question is this: How difficult is it to establish that a person was institutionalized during a certain period? I don’t mean obtaining any records or details, just establishing the naked fact that he was at some place or other? Is this really a matter of sensitive information – the information being nothing but the mere fact that NN was there?

It was stated the "San Francisco area". Some people would lump Santa Cruz into the S.F. area…even though it really not. Especially people from Southern California.

Katz gave info the JeffP that he was "all over San Fran" according to Tim Sullivan, and that Tim suspected Ross was Z because,in part,because, when Ross was out of the hospitals, that’s when the Z crimes happened