The members who can’t see it, fall into one of the following:

…
-Locked into a pet suspect.

-Overly negative and can’t use common sense.

Hypocritical don’t you think? Your attitude comes from your belief Ross was Zodiac. Seen it a thousand times. I’m ok…I’m used to it. It happens over and over again. If Ross is proven to be Zodiac I will be thrilled since I have no stake in caring who he was…I just point out the faults to try and clear up the truths.

Those who have POI’s shouldn’t come up with outrageous theories though…it doesn’t help your cause.

I agree with Tahoe, you have to stay neutral Paul, and be ready for opposition, which is what you get with any Suspect. Losing your cool or being negative towards other Members is not going to make them suddenly think Ross was Z(although, I am right there with you he is a strong Suspect for sure, and any nay say from anybody here won’t stop me from digging) Also,Bryan perhaps thought he saw brown hair peeking thru those little eye slits, who knows. Zodiac’s hair appeared to be blonde or Reddish at the Stine scene, so what difference does it make?

Either way, do we know for sure what hair color Ross was? The pics are black & white. Did Katz ever mention Ross’s hair color?

Yeah, Ross was the guy. It’s not that hard to figure it out at this point.
The members who can’t see it, fall into one of the following:

-Don’t understand the case.
-Locked into a pet suspect.
-Invested in the case not being solved for personal gain.
-Need to be the one that solves the case, therefore not able to accept an outside solution.
-Overly negative and can’t use common sense.

You left this one out:

-Are simply exercising reasonable doubt.

It is the most important one.

Yeah, Ross was the guy. It’s not that hard to figure it out at this point.
The members who can’t see it, fall into one of the following:

-Don’t understand the case.
-Locked into a pet suspect.
-Invested in the case not being solved for personal gain.
-Need to be the one that solves the case, therefore not able to accept an outside solution.
-Overly negative and can’t use common sense.

You left this one out:

-Are simply exercising reasonable doubt.

It is the most important one.

Valid point!

I give up with you Tahoe.

Do you even realize that this case is in the process of being solved on this site right before your eyes? Do you realize how unbelievable it is that Morf has dug up the information that all but solved the Zodiac case? This is something I have been waiting for, for over 25 years.

Yeah, Ross was the guy. It’s not that hard to figure it out at this point.
The members who can’t see it, fall into one of the following:

-Don’t understand the case.
-Locked into a pet suspect.
-Invested in the case not being solved for personal gain.
-Need to be the one that solves the case, therefore not able to accept an outside solution.
-Overly negative and can’t use common sense.

At some point we will find that one piece of evidence that proves Ross was Z. And I’m sure you won’t believe it even then.

Pretty strong words.

You’re no longer merely claiming that Ross is a great suspect – you’re actually suggesting that it’s obvious Ross was Z, and that anyone who doesn’t share this view is either hopelessly blinkered or lacks common sense.

You’re going too far, simply put.

Ross is a good suspect, but more has to be found out.

I commend morf for acknowledging that.

For those who don’t like my approach, remember, I was the first one to communicate with Ross’ brother, I contributed financially to the P.I., and I have made attempts to locate friends. I wouldn’t put an effort like this to someone who I thought didn’t matter.

Seagull provided her copy of the letter from the librarian and also located Bonnie, Up2Something found Ross’ high school photo, and others have contributed as well. It’s a team effort by people who may or may not think the man was Zodiac, but those interested put forth an effort. Of course morf took it all to the next level as he is considering Ross his lead suspect–but he hasn’t completely dismissed others.

A slight correction Tahoe, I provided my copy of Dave Peterson’s letter to Toschi stating that Peterson had given Toschi Ross Sullivan’s name as a possible suspect, thus verifying that SFPD was aware of Ross as a possible suspect. I did not provide the letter from the librarian, I believe that may have indirectly been Howard Davis. Someone correct me if I’m wrong about Howard and the letter from the librarian.

That is basically what I meant–just that you had a copy of the letter, but I could see how that could be misconstrued. Thanks for clarifying.

Ross is a good suspect, but more has to be found out.

I commend morf for acknowledging that.

For those who don’t like my approach, remember, I was the first one to communicate with Ross’ brother, I contributed financially to the P.I., and I have made attempts to locate friends. I wouldn’t put an effort like this to someone who I thought didn’t matter.

Seagull provided her copy of the letter from the librarian and also located Bonnie, Up2Something found Ross’ high school photo, and others have contributed as well. It’s a team effort by people who may or may not think the man was Zodiac, but those interested put forth an effort. Of course morf took it all to the next level as he is considering Ross his lead suspect–but he hasn’t completely dismissed others.

Good & valid points. I applaud everybody for helping with Ross, even if they may not be sold that he was Z. I can’t write him off as Z, but I can’t write off other possible Suspects either, there’s more work to be done

A slight correction Tahoe, I provided my copy of Dave Peterson’s letter to Toschi stating that Peterson had given Toschi Ross Sullivan’s name as a possible suspect, thus verifying that SFPD was aware of Ross as a possible suspect. I did not provide the letter from the librarian, I believe that may have indirectly been Howard Davis. Someone correct me if I’m wrong about Howard and the letter from the librarian.

Yeah, that Joann Bailey Librarian report came from Howard

I believe that Jake Wark had some info about Ross too before he retired from any Z interest. I reached out to him to see if he had anything else, but never heard anything

This was talked about before the "Ross 300" thread was taken down. Ross brings out many nay-sayers. Way more than most suspects. It might be because he’s a hot suspect right now, but I think it might be more than just that.

I have never spent much time on a Gyke thread. I’m simply secure that he’s not Z and don’t feel a need to argue.

Ross represents a major change in dynamics of the case. Until we knew about him, people could be very wishy-washy with the Riverside evidence and how it relates to their POI. If someone found a good POI in the Bay Area, and that suspect had a small connection to LA, they could find ways to merge the Riverside stuff to the suspect in a very loose way.

Now that we know about Ross, and his intimate connection to the RCC library, it forces a dynamic shift in how the RCC evidence must be viewed. Now a POI must have an even better connection to the RCC evidence in order for it to be included in the case against them. Simply placing a suspect in LA no longer carries as much weight.

So we now see the attempts to discredit the RCC evidence. Its all due the the dynamic shift that if one accepts something like the desktop poem, they must also have a suspect that would be more likely than Ross to have written it.

It also raises the odds that if Z wrote the desktop, then Ross would be Z.

I agree with some of what you said Paul, and all I can say is, press on searching out info for Ross, and be prepared for criticism from people with different opinions, ideas, and theories. Handle them in a courteous & friendly way and never resort to posts with smart attitudes,etc

This was talked about before the "Ross 300" thread was taken down. Ross brings out many nay-sayers. Way more than most suspects. It might be because he’s a hot suspect right now, but I think it might be more than just that.

I have never spent much time on a Gyke thread. I’m simply secure that he’s not Z and don’t feel a need to argue.

Ross represents a major change in dynamics of the case. Until we knew about him, people could be very wishy-washy with the Riverside evidence and how it relates to their POI. If someone found a good POI in the Bay Area, and that suspect had a small connection to LA, they could find ways to merge the Riverside stuff to the suspect in a very loose way.

Now that we know about Ross, and his intimate connection to the RCC library, it forces a dynamic shift in how the RCC evidence must be viewed. Now a POI must have an even better connection to the RCC evidence in order for it to be included in the case against them. Simply placing a suspect in LA no longer carries as much weight.

So we now see the attempts to discredit the RCC evidence. Its all due the the dynamic shift that if one accepts something like the desktop poem, they must also have a suspect that would be more likely than Ross to have written it.

It also raises the odds that if Z wrote the desktop, then Ross would be Z.

For those who have a specific POI in mind – and who are very reluctant to let that POI go – this may be true. It probably is true to a large extent.

But you seem to leave out those who question whether Z – no matter who he was – was involved with Riverside, all of it, or parts of it.

To me the case has never been about ranking proposed POIs on a scale from ten to zero – that isn’t how I think about this at all.

If this is the logic:

Ross = Riverside
Riverside = Z
Z = Ross

then it’s rock solid. If the premises are true, Ross must be Z.

But are the premises true? As it stands, it doesn’t look likely that anyone will be able to prove conclusively that either of the premises are true – which means that an effort must be made to connect Ross to the known/confirmed Z crimes. At this point there is hardly anything which connects him. And that will continue to be a huge con until the day someone proves that the premises above are true.

Paul, you will never sell the skeptics, no point in trying.

But Norse, you bring up "if Riverside wasn’t z" . But what if he was? If he was, Ross becomes a very important Suspect, as he is the ONLY one linked to inside the library. Also, you debate whether or not Sherwood is wrong, but there’s a possibility that you are wrong

Paul, you will never sell the skeptics, no point in trying.

But Norse, you bring up "if Riverside wasn’t z" . But what if he was? If he was, Ross becomes a very important Suspect, as he is the ONLY one linked to inside the library. Also, you debate whether or not Sherwood is wrong, but there’s a possibility that you are wrong

Absolutely, I could easily be wrong.

And I don’t expect anyone to change their opinions based on my skepticism. But the latter is hardly unique – it’s shared by many people who are both brighter and more knowledgeable about the case than yours truly.

Ross is – actually – a decent suspect in the Bates case. I’ve never said otherwise.

But as long as there is reason to doubt whether Z had anything to do with Riverside, I can’t embrace a theory which is based on a person’s connection to that crime alone. In terms of what is compelling about Ross, Riverside is all there is. The composite is…what? A bonus of some kind – it’s not compelling in itself.

I’m not saying I’m right – I never have. I’m just trying to explain why I’m skeptical. It’s actually based on something – it’s not just contrariness for kicks.