I agree. I know there’s people out there, that would try to pass it off. I sure wouldn’t try to pass it off. I, myself would make sure it was authentic before passing it along to anyone else.

Someone has some of his authentic work out there. Sullivan, like many suspects are a dead end investigation, until more things can be dug up, and honestly, it could take years. And the further time moves along, the harder it can be.

I have been a bit absent from the boards of late, but still doing some research. Being originally from the Binghamton with a lot of family still there, I am trying to track down anyone who knew Ross or the Sullivans. Seems like anyone I meet is about 10 years to young, but I will do more digging. The Y there is a dead end unfortunately, files all seem to be "absent" for those years. The funny thing I have found is if I tell people I’m researching a serial killer, they first look shocked. But as in Scott Bonn’s, "Why We Love Serial Killers…", people soon get fascinated and will let now if they run into anyone with info. Its also that time of crazy weather so I don’t get down there much right now.

I can’t remember if I mentioned it here, but over Christmas I met a man 10 years younger who was on Binghamton Central High School’s swim team and they often practiced naked. I don’t know if it was some kind of hazing type thing, maybe to preserve swimsuits from wearing out before all the synthetics came along? But just a random interesting fact that certainly today would make you go hmmmm.

And on psychics– my husband’s family happens to be close friends with one, Phil Jordan, who is also a minister here in Upstate NY. He actually married us in Binghamton. How good is he at solving crimes? Pretty darn good, he has been on Court TV http://www.philjordan.com/tv-shows.html among other shows. Unlike your Sylvia Brown types, he does not seek the spotlight, but helps when asked. He uses the money from his TV and books to fund his church located in a rural and very poor area, and lives simply.

There are many more local cases he helped with than the ones he did TV shows for. And yes, I have had a private reading with him and a reading at a party, just out of curiosity and as a scientist. There were some things he really hit on. Given his strong connection to NY, I can look into it.

-marie

One more point on the print.

RPD can’t have much faith in the print that supposedly didn’t match Ross. If that print was truly from the Bates killer, then RPD should have cleared Bob B. They surly compared it to his prints, and since he was never arrested, it clearly didn’t match.

I think when someone believes their guy is the guy they find ways around it. Cops are no different, but in the end it wasn’t their guy so it makes sense the print didn’t match.

One more point on the print.

RPD can’t have much faith in the print that supposedly didn’t match Ross. If that print was truly from the Bates killer, then RPD should have cleared Bob B. They surly compared it to his prints, and since he was never arrested, it clearly didn’t match.

I agree there are explanations as to why the print didn’t match. My theory is that maybe someone else tried to help Cheri before she came into contact with the killer and the killer never made any attempt to help fix her car. After all, she’s believed to have been killed an hour or more after leaving the library. So the print is not definitive. The cop knew who Ross was, even before looking him up in the files, and he was always considered one of the top suspects (and still is BTW). They just couldn’t link him to Cheri. Obviously, we can. The Riverside police will typically dismiss most suspects out of hand, but the detective corresponded with me about Ross and asked for additional information. It’s just that I don’t think the Riverside Police have solving the Cheri case as a high priority.

Also, it would be weird for someone to have planned a murder so elaborately only to leave behind finger prints.

My theory is that maybe someone else tried to help Cheri before she came into contact with the killer and the killer never made any attempt to help fix her car. After all, she’s believed to have been killed an hour or more after leaving the library.

It would cut down on the time she spent with her killer, which is in one way an attractive possibility. But it raises several questions, not least why the person who assisted her (and who must have spent a good deal of time with her) * didn’t come forward as a witness.

* If the person did not spend a good deal of time with her, the time line goes back to being nearly as problematic as it was before: What was she doing between the time when the good Samaritan left her and the time when the killer made contact with her?

As for the fingerprint and “Bob”, it could be a variation on the ALA theme: They didn’t want to give him up as a suspect. So they theorized he could have had a helper. AFAIK the latter is something they have considered in one way or another.

The only thing we know for sure is, Bob Barnett’s prints and DNA didn’t match crime scene evidence at the Bates crime scene. So why do they refuse to give up on him???

By the way, just one more benefit if Ross’s Brother came forward to give DNA, he could help rule Ross out in Cheri’s case.

Let’s not forget, Cheri’s killer might not be z, yet Z could be the letter writer and desktop writer in her case. That’s why, in my opinion, Ross could totally be Z without having killed Cheri

Norse, good points, but you are misquoting me in your post.

Every crime scene they find prints, many are unrelated to the crime. A gen-y podcast talked about how after a murder occurred in a house, they found many prints. But they were never able to match any of the prints to the multiple killers they knew were in the house, and also failed to match any of the family member, who lived in the house!

I was also listening to the new gen-y podcast on BTK. (became a fan of the podcast from Morf’s episode)

They talked about how serial killers like BTK and Son of Sam give themselves names and write letters taking credit for their crimes because they are narcissistic.
A narcissistic killer could not stand someone else taking credit for their crimes.

While it’s possible Z took credit for the Bates killing, that crime in it’s self was never solved.

Norse, good points, but you are misquoting me in your post.

Every crime scene they find prints, many are unrelated to the crime. A gen-y podcast talked about how after a murder occurred in a house, they found many prints. But they were never able to match any of the prints to the multiple killers they knew were in the house, and also failed to match any of the family member, who lived in the house!

Yes, P_A, it looks like Norse was trying to quote JeffP who actually said what is quoted but messed up with the deleting of the wording he did not want to quote. I’ll give Norse a chance to correct it as I don’t want to put something in the quote that he did not mean to say.

Norse, good points, but you are misquoting me in your post.

Heh, yes – it’s the formating, I don’t know why it shows up like that, I’ll try to edit it. To be clear, the actual quote is from Jeff, not Paul.

ETA Fixed!

So why do they refuse to give up on him???

Good question. I think it’s probably what Tahoe says above: Like amateur sleuths, some detectives can develop tunnel vision. Rather than letting the evidence lead them wherever it may point, they refuse to let go of their pet theories even when the evidence clearly contradicts them – and so they begin to engage in special pleading and ad-hoc hypotheses: Like the "he had a partner, and it’s his DNA" theory.

Exactly the same with ALA and certain investigators (and amateur sleuths turned writers, not least).

But it also shows that RPD made a major mistake at some point in the investigation. I mean no disrespect, I know they want to solve the case. But after 50 years… It might be time to look at suspects they might have brushed off at the time.

http://zodiackillerfacts.com/main/river … mysteries/

History has repeatedly demonstrated that many infamous killers have been linked to earlier crimes. Robert Yates was convicted of murdering several women in Spokane, Washington, but he had also killed a young couple many years earlier. Arthur Shawcross murdered many women near Rochester, New York, but he had also killed a young boy many years earlier. Dennis Rader murdered two children and their parents years before he sexually assaulted and killed several women as the “BTK” strangler. Authorities had developed their own suspects in the family slayings but a letter from “BTK” claimed responsibility for the crime. Investigators initially dismissed and resisted the possibility that the “BTK” strangler was responsible for killing the family but eventually acknowledged the connection between the two cases. The murder of another suspected BTK victim was initially linked to the killer but expert profilers were certain that he was not responsible for that crime. Years later, BTK sent an envelope which contained photographs he had taken while killing the same victim.

But it also shows that RPD made a major mistake at some point in the investigation. I mean no disrespect, I know they want to solve the case. But after 50 years… It might be time to look at suspects they might have brushed off at the time.

http://zodiackillerfacts.com/main/river … mysteries/

History has repeatedly demonstrated that many infamous killers have been linked to earlier crimes. Robert Yates was convicted of murdering several women in Spokane, Washington, but he had also killed a young couple many years earlier. Arthur Shawcross murdered many women near Rochester, New York, but he had also killed a young boy many years earlier. Dennis Rader murdered two children and their parents years before he sexually assaulted and killed several women as the “BTK” strangler. Authorities had developed their own suspects in the family slayings but a letter from “BTK” claimed responsibility for the crime. Investigators initially dismissed and resisted the possibility that the “BTK” strangler was responsible for killing the family but eventually acknowledged the connection between the two cases. The murder of another suspected BTK victim was initially linked to the killer but expert profilers were certain that he was not responsible for that crime. Years later, BTK sent an envelope which contained photographs he had taken while killing the same victim.

That was a great quote. People also have to remember that Cheri’s murder and the Zodiac killings came at a time when very little was known about serial killers. Police wouldn’t even know how to deal with the psychology of a serial killer at that point.