And check it out Tahoe, the prison/mental institution are on the 80, the hwy that leads straight up to Tahoe and straight down to Vallejo and splits into SF.

I believe it also has a DHS branch in Sacramento:
http://www.dsh.ca.gov/mobile/office.asp
https://m.facebook.com/pages/California … 7659303315

And one in Napa/Vallejo that seemed like a ROUGH place: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napa_State_Hospital

Both in reasonably close proximity to hwy 80.

Is it just me or does hwy 80 end and turn into the 280 on the NE side of San Fran reasonably close where Presidio/Tenderloin district are?

Seeing a pattern.

And side note: Jimeny Christmas http://mobile.nytimes.com/2010/12/17/us … rrer=&_r=0 looks like Napa State Hospital is still a scary place up to 5 years ago. Yikes!

just seeing that a member said they could care less about solving Cheri’s case in relation to Ross and only care if Ross is Z. I think I’m not really keen on contributing info to people with such insensitivity toward Cheri. If this solved her case and not the Z case I would still consider it a home run. Like I said, her death rocked this community. If I disappear sorry, but I just have to be comfortable with the forum I’m contributing to. Not sure I feel it here. Everyone does great work, but it’s constant asinine arguments about height and weight and pro’s and con’s blah blah blah. I can’t keep my info organized here so I don’t see the point of using it for records purposes (which is a big reason I was using it – I took the wrong approach there and I apologize.)

If I find anything earth shattering (which I doubt) I’ll share. Thanks to the people who took time to teach me things and correct me. I’m not obsessed with Z case, I’m obsessed with my community getting answers and feeling safe.

Morf good luck getting DNA/prints for Ross. You’ll need it. Have a feeling prints are long gone and family won’t submit DNA ever. I hope you guys can tie him to the areas of the crimes. If not, onto a new suspect.

Peace.

I agree Pink. I think the Cheri case is the most compelling of all the murders; I think the key to discovering the identity of the Zodiac is by investigating Cheri’s murder. I think the main reason the case has never been solved is because most people adopt a backward attitude about the case regarding the importance of the murders. The Zodiac was a character, and the killer was playing out some sort of fantasy. Cheri’s murder was more personal and happened before the Zodiac killings. The most obvious answer is that the killer was from Riverside, knew Cheri and killed her and then, later, adopted the Zodiac persona.

Agreed.

IMO Cheri was fimiliar with her attacker because she allowed him to walk her on a dark Halloween eve night to her car parked a bit off campus. However, All of Cheri’s close friends and relatives were checked out and had solid alibis. This then leads us to a pool of suspects that were acquaintances… Someone she interacted with on a somewhat frequent basis enough to trust them to walk her at night to her car. This leaves then employees of the library or another student at RCC. Personally, I would trust an employee at that age over a student. I would assume the employee wouldn’t try any funny business bc it would be inappropriate and could get him in hot water.

Was her murder planned? depends on whether or not the suspect regularly carried a knife around. If he intentionally brought the knife with him that day only, it was most likely planned. I’m willing to bet he always had the knife on him though.

I think he asked her out by the car and she brushed him off by saying something along the lines of "oh I already have a boyfriend". He lost it and murdered her.

Did he go back to the library after the crime? I don’t think so. He was probably covered in blood. he had to clean himself up I’m sure. likely he went back days later to write that note under the desk. He said in the poem "her shirt WAS red anyways".

Even if Ross did run straight to that place he was staying with blood all over him, I suspect he could use the excuse that he was "skinning lambs". His alibi seemed to back this up by saying he skinned lambs right? it wasn’t lamb blood, it was Cheri’s. Although Cheri was as innocent as a lamb. . Additionally, if he ran home right after work (and killing CJB) then his alibi that he left work and headed home would still stick bc really it only took a minute at most for him to murder CJB. There wasn’t enough of a gap between the time he left work and arrived home for them to determine if he killed CJB.

To Z (Ross) Cheri was his sacrifice… His "slave". His cross (a symbol of sacrifice) is on his Halloween Card years later. He somehow saw his victims as his "flock" "sheep" but in a dark demented way in which they were "slaves"and he was their God. Talk about a God complex.

One thing is for sure: Months after Cheri’s murder Ross got out of dodge and headed north.

Ever noticed how paradice might be a play on the word sacrifice? Hm

Ross’s daddy was a preacher who left the faith and abandoned him after his mom died. Think that might play into the God Complex/lamb angle?

the Dr. Seuss comment at the bottom of some of these posts is prescient.
we’re trying to make this more complicated than it is. if Ross’ handwriting
matches the desktop poem and the Riverside letters and the Zodiac’s letters
and scrawl on the side of Bryan Hartnell’s Karmann Ghia, the case is SOLVED!
Morrill tied it all together with the exception of Ross’ handwriting. has anyone
seen a closer match than Ross’ to Zodiac’s and the Riverside letters. i sure haven’t!
he was in N Calif. at the time of Z’s murders, he was crazy, probably pretty smart,
etc, etc. and his photo matches the Stine poster as well as could ever be imagined.
why are we worrying about some differences in height and weight? even fingerprints
for that matter. going forward, try to find some more handwriting. we have assumed
Zodiac disguised his handwriting somehow. the S.S. app blows that theory out of
the water. he wrote in his normal hand! find some more handwriting. that’s job 1 here.
and remember one final thing we don’t have to prove this in court. he’s DEAD.

Case closed. Guess we can all go home now. Now where have I heard that before?

I also agree that Cheri’s case is the most compelling of all the murders. Ross sees people all around him, including his brother, having relationships with women, which include sex. Ross is frustrated in this regard, since Cheri is not very interested in him, and then becomes engaged to someone else. A combination of frustration/rage causes him to take it out on her. And, he discovers it does offer him relief and satisfaction. He also likes the power, and the fact he "won."

The Zodiac comment: "IT IS EVEN BETTER THAN GETTING YOUR ROCKS OFF WITH A GIRL" is interesting. Maybe I’m stretching, but here goes… He sees people all around him in normal sexual relationships, which he can’t have, so he finds another way to "have" women. Whether he’s trying to convince himself that his way is even better than what the other guys around him are getting from their relationships, or if he’s just trying to sound superior, who knows. I think this is one reason he hunts couples, especially at lovers lanes type places. They are having their normal relationship, he comes along, gets the guy out of the way, and then has his superior method of "taking" the girl. It seems to all tie back to Ross’ frustration with Cheri, and how he eventually "had" her.

The confession letter includes " I AM NOT SICK. I AM INSANE. " To me this sounds like someone who has been clinically analyzed, because it is a distinction without a difference, to most people. However, it would be important when determining if someone was to be institutionalized, or simply treated. Which would point towards Ross as well. Apparently that sort of determination was made several times, as he was in, and then released out, of institutions.

So, Cheri is perhaps the key (and the reason it all began,) and Ross is the most likely POI in her case.

Pink, since you’re going to the RCC library, I wanted to toss out a couple ideas. I mentioned this on the beginner question forum but I’ll repeat it here. It’s a long-shot I realize, but with luck it could really make Ross the likely killer of Cheri plus being the Zodiac.

When you’re there, if you could find some material (books, magazines, whatever) that would’ve been written on with the white ink Ross was using when he was marking materials, perhaps that could be compared to the white ink on the HC. It wouldn’t have to be something confirmed to have actually been marked by Ross, just something marked with the same ink Ross was using at that time. I know LE resources are limited, but this would be a very simple ink comparison that crime labs have been doing for decades. It’s not like asking LE to investigate someone, or do extensive research, or even sequence a DNA sample. Far simpler than that, yet it has potential to pretty much blow the case open.

The big IFs: IF the ink matched, and IF the ink is special for that type of library use, then we’re looking for someone who had access to a library marking pen. Who else but someone who regularly used them would even think to acquire one, let alone have them available? For instance, when I first saw images of the card, I just assumed Z used typewriter correction fluid, which everyone with a typewriter (which includes Z) had back then. Or paint.

Another long-shot that might basically seal the deal is if there are any magazines with the same sort of gloss (or lack of it) as the Halloween skeletons, that have pages missing. Suppose you found such a magazine, from around the time Ross was there, and it turned out, the missing pages did in fact have those skeleton pictures? If those cutouts could be tied to RCC, that would be pretty amazing.

It also wouldn’t surprise me if there are clues in books there. Maybe books referenced somehow in Z’s writings, or maybe one of his codes identifies a book by its Dewey Decimal number. Wouldn’t that be cool? It could be very subtle too, like letters circled throughout the book, that together spell something. So your average person could read the book and not have any idea of the significance.

Anyway, Pink, thinking about that library and it’s huge importance to the case… I’ll bet there’s something there, somewhere. Good Luck!

Cheri’s boyfriend was out of town during the murders. I suspect that perhaps he would usually be with her to walk her safe to her car as he also attended RCC. Unfortunately, he was not there to walk Cheri to her car that night.

Cheri’s boyfriend was attending S.F. State. She had gotten back from visiting him a week or so prior. It was mentioned by a friend she got engaged, but in an interview with her father he stated she was not interested in marriage. Too motivated with her own goals…wanting to become a stewardess.

Pink–you can SO tell you are from So. Cal. "The" 80. We don’t use "the" before highways here, but I know you all do.

Case closed. Guess we can all go home now. Now where have I heard that before?

I’ve said that before, but I hope you’re not referring to me in this instance.

Cheri’s boyfriend was out of town during the murders. I suspect that perhaps he would usually be with her to walk her safe to her car as he also attended RCC. Unfortunately, he was not there to walk Cheri to her car that night.

Cheri’s boyfriend was attending S.F. State. She had gotten back from visiting him a week or so prior. It was mentioned by a friend she got engaged, but in an interview with her father he stated she was not interested in marriage. Too motivated with her own goals…wanting to become a stewardess.

Pink–you can SO tell you are from So. Cal. "The" 80. We don’t use "the" before highways here, but I know you all do.

She also supposedly was involved with ‘Bob Barnett’ and that she tried to break it off with him, which was his Motive for murdering her. Remember the heresay that he was at a Basketball game, and made the comment "that bitch is going to the library", then stormed off to meet her.

Cheri’s boyfriend was out of town during the murders. I suspect that perhaps he would usually be with her to walk her safe to her car as he also attended RCC. Unfortunately, he was not there to walk Cheri to her car that night.

Cheri’s boyfriend was attending S.F. State. She had gotten back from visiting him a week or so prior. It was mentioned by a friend she got engaged, but in an interview with her father he stated she was not interested in marriage. Too motivated with her own goals…wanting to become a stewardess.

Pink–you can SO tell you are from So. Cal. "The" 80. We don’t use "the" before highways here, but I know you all do.

Ah! Thanks for the correction on CJB’s boyfriend. . Gosh it’s so sad that he had to deal with her passing away. That’s so heartbreaking. There was so much promise for sweet Cheri.

I promise not to say "totally" or "for sure!" Too often. Funny enough I spent time in GA as well in my formative years (10-18) so I have CA diction with a southern voice. A real mongrel I am. Lol!

Morf I didn’t know the Connection to Bob. That pretty interesting. That’s who the RPD had as their prime suspect right?

I think we have to look at the totality of things in Cheri’s case. If Bob were going to the library to confront Cheri I don’t think he could hold in that anger and play nice long enough in order to get her to the car and murder her. He was Pissed.

I would think That Bob, if he confronted Cheri earlier that day or night, might be the reason why Cheri wanted someone to walk her to her car. I don’t think Bob had the best intentions, but he didn’t seem able to control his emotions enough to look past feelings and manipulate a young woman and lure her to her death.

Whoever did this to Cheri was cold blooded. There was no attempt to sexually manipulate her before or after the crime so lust didn’t seem to be the prime motivator. Homicidal Rage was the prime motivator.

Besides why would Bob state he was going to the library and implicate himself before the crime? And why implicate himself afterwords with a note under the desk if he murdered her?

I think the killer was comfortable writing the poem under the desk because he figured Cheri’s murder likely couldn’t be tied back to him. People typically taunt when they know they can’t be caught.

Morf I didn’t know the Connection to Bob. That pretty interesting. That’s who the RPD had as their prime suspect right?

I think we have to look at the totality of things in Cheri’s case. If Bobby were going to the library to confront Cheri I don’t think he could hold in that anger and play nice long enough in order to get her to the car and murder her. He was Pissed.

I would think That Bobby, if he confronted Cheri earlier that day or night, might be the reason why Cheri wanted someone to walk her to her car. I don’t think Bobby had the best intentions, but he didn’t seem able to control his emotions enough to look past feelings and manipulate a young woman and lure her to her death.

Whoever did this to Cheri was cold blooded. There was no attempt to sexually manipulate her before or after the crime so lust didn’t seem to be the prime motivator. Homicidal Rage was the prime motivator.

Besides why would he state he was going to the library and implicate himself before the crime? And why implicate himself afterwords with a note under the desk if he murdered her?

I think the killer was comfortable writing the poem under the desk because he figured Cheri’s murder likely couldn’t be tied back to him. People typically taunt when they know they can’t be caught.

‘Bob'(not his real name)is the Guy who RPD liked all these years as a Suspect

Has it even been discussed how difficult it would be to use a knife to carve that poem under the desk during library hours without being noticed?

Most likely someone would have to be alone in the library to lay under a desk and carve a long poem into it and go unnoticed. People would HEAR that too. So does this suggest the poem was written while the library was closed? Hm who would have access to a library after its closed? An employee. Just a thought.

Case closed. Guess we can all go home now. Now where have I heard that before?

if the handwriting matches, it is closed. we’re likely not going to get
DNA or fingerprints any time soon. but that does bring up an interesting point,
i believe some people don’t want it closed. it seems they have additional agendas.
so, what do you think it takes to close this case? as i stated earlier, more than
70% of murder convictions in this country are decided by circumstantial evidence.
but, if it’s Ross, their obviously isn’t going to be a trial. so, what does it take
for you to go home?

It wasn’t carved with a knife. Ball point pen, I think.