Zodiac Discussion Forum

Notifications
Clear all

ROSS & THE RCC LIBRARY

182 Posts
31 Users
0 Reactions
25.3 K Views
morf13
(@morf13)
Posts: 7527
Member Admin
Topic starter
 

Can somebody give me a date for when Jo Ann Bailey sent her letter? I want to add it to http://zodiackillerciphers.com/wiki/ind … s_Sullivan

Thanks

We don’t know Dave. I am thinking 1977 possibly. That letter was given to Vallejo Times Herald Reporter Dave Peterson by Bailey. In turn,in 1978,he mailed a letter to Dave Toschi asking that he look into Ross. By the way, perhaps the 78 letter from Peterson to Toschi should be added to your wiki timeline,if it’s not there already,I will go back and look for it

There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/
http://zodiackillersite.blogspot.com/
https://twitter.com/Morf13ZKS

 
Posted : August 20, 2015 8:19 pm
(@bitterbeatpoet)
Posts: 140
Estimable Member
 

i asked the same question a ways back. i would have to believe
it was back in the 60’s? i guess there’s no way to prove it, but
i just don’t see someone having those concerns 11 years later.
doesn’t the tone of it suggest an urgency that would be felt
soon after the murder of CJB. maybe Patterson just ran across
it in the mid 70’s?

 
Posted : August 20, 2015 8:26 pm
(@pinkphantom)
Posts: 556
Honorable Member
 

I kind of took the tone of the letter to be that she was nearly frustrated that so many people were being considered as Z except the very person so many at RCC had been suspecting for quite some time. She references when the library Director was heavily involved with the ACLU or something so they wernt able to implicate Ross back then In fear of being seen as insensitive and in turn risk being corrected/fired. I don’t think the letter would have been sent until the 70’s because the Riverside connection to Z was not made until the 70’s. I agree with Morf that it was probably written around 1977. Maybe looking at whenever the library changed hands to a more relaxed director allowing Jo Ann To feel confident enough to send the letter would help establish a likely date the letter was sent. It seems that heavy handed director may have been what kept her mum for so many years.

 
Posted : August 23, 2015 9:24 pm
Talon
(@talon)
Posts: 183
Estimable Member
 

I find there to be, seemingly, a tinge of jealously expressed by Joann when she writes about Ross being the "pet" of their "catalog boss". She goes on to say that, "she tolerated from him what she would not from anybody else". I think JB may have had it in for Ross and felt he was grabbing attention warrantied her.
[flame on Rossatonian’s]

 
Posted : August 23, 2015 10:27 pm
(@1doctor)
Posts: 115
Estimable Member
 

I find there to be, seemingly, a tinge of jealously expressed by Joann when she writes about Ross being the "pet" of their "catalog boss". She goes on to say that, "she tolerated from him what she would not from anybody else". I think JB may have had it in for Ross and felt he was grabbing attention warrantied her.
[flame on Rossatonian’s]

First, I want to lead off with stating that Rossatonians is a brilliant name and made me laugh out loud pretty hard after having a pretty jacked up day today.

Second, writing such a letter to police under false pretenses would be a kind of risky and rude thing to do.

But, to devils advocate the devils advocate here, think about how many other people wrote similar letters to police suspecting someone they know to be Z during that time period? SFPD had over 2,500 suspects, if even at least 2% of the suspects were suspected due to a letter, that’s still a letter wrote to police on 50 different people. So while I don’t find the premise of JB writing the letter maliciously, to be that strong, I do also conceded that it is completely possible. And of course the retort I would expect is "Well, JB’s letter, plus all the other people saying Ross was strange and did strange things, and his brother even thought he was Z!" And to that, my reply would be "I am sure many of the suspects are all strange people in one faucet or another, and there are TONS of people who claimed Z was a relative of theirs"

 
Posted : August 23, 2015 11:43 pm
Tahoe27
(@tahoe27)
Posts: 5315
Member Moderator
 

I watched a program last night and a 16 year old girl was murdered and it turned out it was a friend of her older brother–no one ever suspected him and he hung out at the house often. The even had a bloody print on the wall, but since this guy was never even considered, they didn’t bother to look at him…until 20 years later.

Ross’ connections does make him much more worthy of LE’s consideration, that’s for sure, but a lot of the time it isn’t the creepy guy…it’s the exact opposite.


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : August 24, 2015 12:50 am
morf13
(@morf13)
Posts: 7527
Member Admin
Topic starter
 

I find there to be, seemingly, a tinge of jealously expressed by Joann when she writes about Ross being the "pet" of their "catalog boss". She goes on to say that, "she tolerated from him what she would not from anybody else". I think JB may have had it in for Ross and felt he was grabbing attention warrantied her.
[flame on Rossatonian’s]

Rossatonians? That’s a good one. I think that us ‘Rossatonians’ are merely wanting to see the only suspect ever linked to the RCC library cleared properly, you know, the Guy that looked just like the Z sketch,and hung out in the RCC Library where experts linked Zodiac to :roll:

I also think that Joann having it in for Ross is far fetched. Would she really try to implicate the guy as a murderer because she wanted to see him get in trouble etc? That’s pretty hard to believe. Couldn’t her strong reaction about Ross be due to the fact that she legitimately suspected him, or was creeped out by him? She was contacted about Ross years after he left Riverside. Would she really hold some grudge all that time and then try and implicate him as a killer?

There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/
http://zodiackillersite.blogspot.com/
https://twitter.com/Morf13ZKS

 
Posted : August 24, 2015 1:03 am
morf13
(@morf13)
Posts: 7527
Member Admin
Topic starter
 

I watched a program last night and a 16 year old girl was murdered and it turned out it was a friend of her older brother–no one ever suspected him and he hung out at the house often. The even had a bloody print on the wall, but since this guy was never even considered, they didn’t bother to look at him…until 20 years later.

Ross’ connections does make him much more worthy of LE’s consideration, that’s for sure, but a lot of the time it isn’t the creepy guy…it’s the exact opposite.

You are correct, sometimes, there are horrible cases and everybody goes looking for the obvious suspect, the ‘creepy’ guy,etc. Sometimes, it is indeed the person nobody expects. I I found out that Cheri was killed by one of her Brother’s Friends, I wouldn’t be surprised in the least, because for me, I am investigating the Zodiac only writing letters in her case, he need not have been her killer. I have always considered the possibility that somebody that knew her, and had a crush on her may have killed her,but somebody totally different may have been Z

There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/
http://zodiackillersite.blogspot.com/
https://twitter.com/Morf13ZKS

 
Posted : August 24, 2015 1:07 am
(@jeffp)
Posts: 338
Reputable Member
 

I don’t know why people who don’t think Ross is a good suspect make it so personal, like it’s irrational for people to like him as a suspect. He’s a good suspect. Far Better than the two other most talked about recently (Earl Van Best, whatshisface that Tom Voight is pushing who’s name escapes me right now).

 
Posted : August 24, 2015 3:44 am
morf13
(@morf13)
Posts: 7527
Member Admin
Topic starter
 

I don’t know why people who don’t think Ross is a good suspect make it so personal, like it’s irrational for people to like him as a suspect. He’s a good suspect. Far Better than the two other most talked about recently (Earl Van Best, whatshisface that Tom Voight is pushing who’s name escapes me right now).

I think it is irresponsible to write him off without verification

There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/
http://zodiackillersite.blogspot.com/
https://twitter.com/Morf13ZKS

 
Posted : August 24, 2015 3:48 am
Seagull
(@seagull)
Posts: 2309
Member Moderator
 

I kind of took the tone of the letter to be that she was nearly frustrated that so many people were being considered as Z except the very person so many at RCC had been suspecting for quite some time. She references when the library Director was heavily involved with the ACLU or something so they wernt able to implicate Ross back then In fear of being seen as insensitive and in turn risk being corrected/fired. I don’t think the letter would have been sent until the 70’s because the Riverside connection to Z was not made until the 70’s. I agree with Morf that it was probably written around 1977. Maybe looking at whenever the library changed hands to a more relaxed director allowing Jo Ann To feel confident enough to send the letter would help establish a likely date the letter was sent. It seems that heavy handed director may have been what kept her mum for so many years.

Riverside PD made the connection to the LB attack within three weeks and contacted Napa. That connection was not made public at the time. SF Chronicle reporter Paul Avery learned of the connection in 1970 and that is when it was made public.

http://www.zodiackiller.com/RiversideMemo1.html

www.santarosahitchhikermurders.com

 
Posted : August 24, 2015 4:16 am
(@bitterbeatpoet)
Posts: 140
Estimable Member
 

Morf, you just wrote…"I am investigating the Zodiac only writing letters in her case, he need not have been her killer. I have always considered the possibility that somebody that knew her, and had a crush on her may have killed her,but somebody totally different may have been Z"
Seagull just posted the letter that Lt. Homshear from the Riverside PD
wrote to the Napa PD shortly after Lake Berryessa. he stated that the
letters they had received from the killer had facts in them that only
CJB’s killer would know. that seems at odds with your earlier statement.

 
Posted : August 24, 2015 4:35 am
morf13
(@morf13)
Posts: 7527
Member Admin
Topic starter
 

Morf, you just wrote…"I am investigating the Zodiac only writing letters in her case, he need not have been her killer. I have always considered the possibility that somebody that knew her, and had a crush on her may have killed her,but somebody totally different may have been Z"
Seagull just posted the letter that Lt. Homshear from the Riverside PD
wrote to the Napa PD shortly after Lake Berryessa. he stated that the
letters they had received from the killer had facts in them that only
CJB’s killer would know. that seems at odds with your earlier statement.

That’s been proven to be incorrect,at least partially(see the confession letter thread).Some of the ‘top secret’ info that only the killer could know, was actually in the papers

There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/
http://zodiackillersite.blogspot.com/
https://twitter.com/Morf13ZKS

 
Posted : August 24, 2015 5:01 am
(@bitterbeatpoet)
Posts: 140
Estimable Member
 

"some" is not all. if the writer of the letters knew just one detail
that was not revealed elsewhere, most likely he was the killer.
that would be my position. also, it would seem a bit of a stretch,
that Z [or Ross] wrote the letters but wasn’t the killer. then, a few
years later, actually becomes a serial killer. that definitely seems like
a stretch.

 
Posted : August 24, 2015 5:36 am
(@1doctor)
Posts: 115
Estimable Member
 

"some" is not all. if the writer of the letters knew just one detail that was not revealed elsewhere, most likely he was the killer.

From an investigative standpoint, demonstrating 1 detail that only police know is actually a 99% guarantee that the individual is the killer.

However, this is not the case here.

 
Posted : August 24, 2015 6:15 am
Page 6 / 13
Share: