I have no idea why people are so hung up about this since we don’t have any definitive proof what the Zodiac’s weight was one way or another. People getting hung up over, literally, nothing. They repeatedly hijack threads that have nothing to do with weight/height to say, for the thousandth time, that the height and weight doesn’t match.

Yep, here we go again on a new thread talking about weight again…

AS FOR THIS TOPIC

We know Ross died at, of all places, what is today known as "Paradise Villa."

http://www.paradisevillaelderlycare.com/

I don’t think it was called that back then. Maybe we can find more info on what type of care facility it was back then.

Did a Mod delete any parts of this thread? I could have swore I responded already to this last post above

The best advice I have been given is ::::::
TO GO FORWAD— YOU NEED TO GO BACK. Did he have a true autopsy, are there slides on file? A will preserved slide is the magic DNA token.

And if his HS weight exists, I’ll find it in near where I am. But remember later in life, any form of antipsychotic is going to effect that.

But berating each other, I joined this board cause I thought it had more thought involved.

-M

Not sure what the state would have, or keep,or for how long. All I know is, they do not have the coroner’s report for Ross. That would list height,weight,distinguishing features,etc

Marie:
Don’t despair! Some months ago, I proposed a Group Project. Everyone thought it was a great idea, so long as I was the Group. One guy, probably a white supremacist, called me a "reneger." I counted to three billion, then returned to the Board.
Yes, there are anti-social types who post here. But, there are far more decent, intelligent contributors. And you, Marie, are one.
Stick around. We like you.
Dag

We know Ross died at, of all places, what is today known as "Paradise Villa."

http://www.paradisevillaelderlycare.com/

I don’t think it was called that back then. Maybe we can find more info on what type of care facility it was back then.

I actually found what the old place was called back during the 70’s a few months ago. I’m surprised morf’s PI didn’t get a name. I’ve lost the information but I surely can find it again, and I’ll update this post once I do find it!

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Found it! It was called "Michael’s Guest Home". Here’s one excerpt from newspapers.com

"I, the undersigned, Michael R. Pupanek do hereby certify: That I am transacting business in the State of California under the fictitious name and style of MICHAEL’S GUEST HOME; that the principal place of business is 2177 17th Avenue, Santa Cruz, California, and that my name in full and my place of residence is as follows: Michael Richard Pupanek, 3613 Portola Drive, Santa Cruz, California. In witness whereof, I have here- are hereby notified that on September 23, 1968, the assessment and diagram to pay the costs and expenses of said acquisitions and improve-"

(link: http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/61472647 )

That was from 1968.

Here’s one from 1970: http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/61317136/

It lists 2177 17th Ave and "Michaels Guest Home" above it. The text is misaligned but that’s the nature of the output, you can see why that would have happened given the graphic of the newspaper in the link.

[double edit]: Disregard, it’s called Live Oak Rest Home. I KNEW I saw that name before! I remember 100% now, that’s the name of it when Ross died in 1977! Here’s proof. This is a newspapers.com article dated 1978, one year after Ross died. Bolding mine to signify evidence:

"NOTICE TO CREDITORS OF INTENDED BULK TRANSFER Notice is hereby given to the Creditors of Asuncion Pan-libuton, doing business as Live Oak Rest Home, transferor, whose business address is 2177 17th Avenue, Santa Cruz, California 95060, County of Santa Cruz, that a bulk transfer is about to be made to John M. Beeson, and Tony and Marie Hegel, husband and wife, Transferees, whose business address is Santa Cruz, Calitornia. The property to be transferred is located at 2177 17th Avenue, Santa Cruz, California. Property is described in gen eral as senior citizen retirement center, including fixtures and equipment, residence and goodwill and accounts, located at 2177 17th Avenue, Santa Cruz, California 95060 Bulk transfer will be consum mated on Sep. 29, 1978, at the office of Russell Green, Attorney at Law, 626 Jefferson Avenue. Redwood City, CA 94063, County of San Mateo, State of California, and insofar as known to the transferees, all business names and addresses used by Transferor for the three years last past, other than the above, are: NONE."

(link: http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/62640266/ )

Morf, I found this with literally 15 minutes of research. I’d look to get some money back from your PI

Nice job 1doctor!!

Morf check your emails, I located John M Beeson. The record I found includes the 17th Ave. address so I’m sure it’s the right guy. With any luck Beeson might remember Ross.

Tony and Marie Hegel have both passed.

I took a closer look at this, went to the Santa Cruz County Recorder’s office website and looked up the exact dates when Beeson and the Hegel’s bought the rest home. They made the purchase after Ross died. It looks as if a person by the name of ASUNCION B PANLIBUTON owned the business in 1977 when Ross died. At least that is who Beeson and the Hegel’s bought the business from in 1978.

Here are the records relating to the property and the above people.

Asuncion Panlibuton passed in 2011.

Asuncion Baguna Panlibuton Born November 5, 1924 died December 13, 2011 in Dao Antique, Philippines. She fought for decent, affordable senior housing in Manilatown, San Francisco-the International Hotel. She organized Filipino Residential Care Home Operators and had care homes for over 30 years. Co-founder of Northern/Southern United Antiquenos in California. She showed that wealth is measured by the love, compassion and generosity given to others. Preceded in death by Higino Baguna, Gregorio and Gregory Panlibuton. Survived by children Annie Panlibuton-Barnes, Henry Panlibuton, grandchildren Matthew, Joseph, and Sarah Barnes, Nicholas and Oliver Panlibuton and great granddaughter Isabella Barnes. Funeral mass will be held at St. Patrick’s Catholic Church, San Francisco on Friday December 30 at 10am followed by burial at Holy Cross Cemetery, Colma, CA. Donations will establish the Asuncion Panlibuton Memorial Scholarship Fund, c/o Annie Barnes, PO Box 479, Upper Lake, CA 95485.

Published in San Francisco Chronicle from Dec. 28 to Dec. 29, 2011 – See more at: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/sfgate … z2Zrg.dpuf

Good work Guys. The PI did find the previous owners of the rest home because she told me that the owner was Phillipino. Not sure what else we can learn but maybe a few clues to help

Asuncion Panlibuton passed in 2011.

Asuncion Baguna Panlibuton Born November 5, 1924 died December 13, 2011 in Dao Antique, Philippines. She fought for decent, affordable senior housing in Manilatown, San Francisco-the International Hotel. She organized Filipino Residential Care Home Operators and had care homes for over 30 years. Co-founder of Northern/Southern United Antiquenos in California. She showed that wealth is measured by the love, compassion and generosity given to others. Preceded in death by Higino Baguna, Gregorio and Gregory Panlibuton. Survived by children Annie Panlibuton-Barnes, Henry Panlibuton, grandchildren Matthew, Joseph, and Sarah Barnes, Nicholas and Oliver Panlibuton and great granddaughter Isabella Barnes. Funeral mass will be held at St. Patrick’s Catholic Church, San Francisco on Friday December 30 at 10am followed by burial at Holy Cross Cemetery, Colma, CA. Donations will establish the Asuncion Panlibuton Memorial Scholarship Fund, c/o Annie Barnes, PO Box 479, Upper Lake, CA 95485.

Published in San Francisco Chronicle from Dec. 28 to Dec. 29, 2011 – See more at: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/sfgate … z2Zrg.dpuf

It has the name of her children and grandchildren. Maybe one of them kept her records from the time she owned the home.

Some good finds… a while back, a friend of mine was telling me about a guy in Santa Cruz that was close friends with Ross and that they used to cause trouble together in the early 70s. My friend did not remember the friends name but said he is still alive. Apparently he lived very close to the home Ross was in on 17th Ave. I don’t know if there is any truth to this or not, but I have been trying to find any trouble makers who lived in that area.

Has anyone else heard anything like this?

Some good finds… a while back, a friend of mine was telling me about a guy in Santa Cruz that was close friends with Ross and that they used to cause trouble together in the early 70s. My friend did not remember the friends name but said he is still alive. Apparently he lived very close to the home Ross was in on 17th Ave. I don’t know if there is any truth to this or not, but I have been trying to find any trouble makers who lived in that area.

Has anyone else heard anything like this?

What? is someone pulling your leg?

I have no idea, that’s why I asked if anyone else had heard this? If I had to bet, I would bet it is not true but I have no idea. But seeing some of the trouble makers that lived at the same address as Ross in 1968 in Santa Cruz, who knows.

Marie:
Don’t despair! Some months ago, I proposed a Group Project. Everyone thought it was a great idea, so long as I was the Group. One guy, probably a white supremacist, called me a "reneger." I counted to three billion, then returned to the Board.
Yes, there are anti-social types who post here. But, there are far more decent, intelligent contributors. And you, Marie, are one.
Stick around. We like you.
Dag

Thanks Dag, makes me feel productive and helpul . And I have been in so many groups and organizations, I already know, theres the few you can depend on but usually it falls to you.

I have been doing lots of things behind the scenes, not to hide them, I just like confirmation before I post. Hopefully the info I need comes soon.

I am also guessing at this point, even if there was an autopsy of sorts, its been "misfiled." I do wonder, after looking at Ross’s Death Certificate if there aren’t samples somewhere (make DNA testing easier, but there are other ways). If foul play isn’t suspected, he probably wan’t at the top of the coroner’s list. Nearly two months went by from his death to the release of the Death Certificate.

Heck, if all they did was a blood smear on a slide, and its well labeled, that might be all we need. (I do know they took samples at ALAs autopsy for further testing.) I don’t know how long samples are kept, I think it depends on the lab/situations/storage etc. but I am betting somewhere there is some conclusively his DNA- though we might not need it.

Oh- one last thing, I looked up CA FOIA laws and unless there is an ongoing investigation/suspicious circumstances, autopsy reports can be foia-ed (unless they lost them, argh!). Which leads me to another thought I will post on the DNA forum…

-M

Good catch. I never even noticed that it said "informant." So it was probably a nurse at the home that found him. So they would have contacted the coroner right away and he was either taken to the coroner’s office or directly to the funeral home if there was no autopsy done.

What sucks is, that Ross’s coroners report, which listed stuff like height, weight, other stuff, is missing from the Santa Cruz coroner’s office. I spoke to two different people who could not locate it. There should have been one on file

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Feather here. Before I joined the forum, I’d read a lot of the posts and was curious about Ross. I decided to re-read about Ross.

This really sticks out to me: Just why were no records found via the coroner’s office? Is there a reason why the records would be at another location? Surely this has nothing to do with cremation? There has to be death records? Am I not understanding something here?