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These links with Ted are very intriguing, and there May actually be substance to them. This theory has definitely piqued my interest.

Glad to hear it.

Thanks to you, TheMist, Daxide, Capricorn, Jelberg, Snooter and several others, for your research, posts, comments, questions and / or interest.

Thank you for all your contributions on this topic.

Your input on this topic, in this thread and in others, has been more than helpful.

Thanks again.

 
Posted : February 16, 2018 6:38 pm
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Thanks very much Zresearch, Jelberg, Daxide and others. Glad you all are finding this topic of interest.

A blast from the past – an important post that should get more attention.

This home made HOOD was found in Ted Kaczynski’s cabin:

LINDA:

This does give you a few chills thinking how much this home-made hood reminds of you of another… Wonder what Ted used this for… It looks quite old to me. Stitching around the eyes is interesting. Hand stitches maybe? How about the lining…wonder what that’s made of.

LUKE 68:

What the hell would a distance killer like the Unabomber, need a hood like that for? It’s not like he would have used it to hunt his favourite snowshoe rabbits.

Linda and Luke, I agree! I can think of NO USE for this hood for Ted as the Unabomber or as a hunter. Makes no sense.

Azazel, it does look flat on top!

Ricardo, I saw this listed in the FBI inventory 2 years ago, but this is the first time the image has been released to the public. The inventory also lists a BLACK "face mask" but says it is similar to a "Ski Mask", thus it would be like a hood as in it covers the whole head. No image on that one yet, that I have seen.

And yes the iconic sketch image of Ted in glasses and sweatshirt hoodie conjures up images of the Zodiac at Lake Berryessa, with his dark glasses and hood, doesn’t it?

The existence of the hood found in Kaczynski’s cabin shows that Ted, like Zodiac, wanted and could make a decent hood.

There is also a BLACK HOOD reported as found in Ted’s cabin, but as yet no image I have seen.

So both Zodiac and Kaczynski designed and made hoods.

NOW…

I am going to engage in a little speculation here, just exploration and asking a question.

Looking at the pictures of Zodiac in costume, it appears the hood has a box shape, like there might be a welding mask type structure. It also appears the hood is connected to the dickey that comes over the chest. So that it is one unit. It also appears in the police drawing that the hood has RECTANGULAR EYE SLITS.

Is it POSSIBLE that he may have wanted to wear a partial face mask hood UNDERNEATH the bulky hood-dickey structure? Perhaps in case it got knocked off during a struggle, so his face would still be partially covered?

Because it does look like the rectangular eye slits on the Kaczynski hood line up quite well with the rectangular eye slits on the Zodiac hood.

And they are both flat on top.

This item is being sold to the public. If there is even a 1% chance this could be something Zodiac wore, I wish it could be tested for DNA. With the bloody scene at Lake Berryessa, when Zodiac removed his hood with his hands, tiny microscopic specks of blood from the victims could have got on the hood.


Also, consider this welding mask found in Ted’s cabin could provide the odd structure for the Zodiac hood. Others have speculated that Zodiac may have had a welding mask underneath the hood. Its odd that Ted had a welding mask, but no welding equipment, and no electricity anyway!


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Word and phrase matches between Zodiac and Kaczynski by Doug Oswell and AK Wilks

Z = I gave the cops som bussy work to do to keep them happy. Seven-Page Letter, 1969.

K = This seems to us a thoroughly contemptible way for the human race to end up, and we doubt that many people would find fulfilling lives in such pointless busy-work. Unabomber Manifesto, 1995.

Z = This is the murderer of the 2 teenagers last Christmass at Lake Herman & the girl on the 4th of July near the golf course in Vallejo. To prove I killed them I shall state some facts which only I & the police know. Three-Part Cipher, 1969.

K = To prove that we are the ones who planted the bomb at U. Of Cal. last May we will mention a few details that could be known only to us and the FBI who investigated the incident. S.F. Examiner Letter, 1985.

Z = As of yet I have left no fingerprints behind me contrary to what the police say. Seven-Page Letter, 1969.

K = Contrary to what the FBI has suggested, our bombing at the California Forestry Association was in no way inspired by the Oklahoma City bombing. New York Times Letter, 1995.

Z = This is the murderer of the 2 teenagers last Christmass … July 31, 1969 Letter (Chronicle).
This is the Zodiac speaking. Numerous correspondences, 1969 through 1971.

K = This is a message from the terrorist group FC. New York Times Letter, April 24, 1995.
This is a message from FC. Tom Tyler Letter, June 30, 1995.

Z = I promised to punish them if they did not comply, by anilating a full School Buss. But now school is out for the summer, so I punished them in another way. Mt. Diablo Letter, 1970.

K = The people who are pushing all this growth and progress garbage deserve to be severely punished. New York Times Letter, 1995.

Z = By the way it could be rather messy if you try to bluff me. Seven-Page Letter, 1Nov 969.

K = A special case of Theorem (b) was proved (in effect) in [6, proof of Theorem 6] by means of a rather messy lemma. T.J. Kaczynski. Boundary Functions and Sets of Curvilinear Convergence for Continuous Functions. Transactions of the American Mathematical Society, Vol. 141 ( July 1969), 107-125, p. 124.

Z = [Called a violent movie] "deplorable".

K = [Called OKC bombing] "deplorable".

I do think the shared word usage of Kaczynski and Zodiac is remarkable, and totally unlike what we see in any other Z suspect. No other Z suspect has anything approaching the number of matches.

Both Zodiac and Ted Kaczynski sometimes used a similar blocky style, with little circles to dot the "I" ‘s.

Ted K and SF sketch without glasses:

TECHNOPHOBIA

Is the name of the novel written by Joe LaFollette in 1985, based on long conversations with David Kaczynski. The plot is about a Berkeley professor who hates computers, in particular an artifical intelligence system named LAURA. He starts doing KNIFE MURDERS in a war against society.

Hmm, sounds like anyone David Kaczynski would have known?

The information from David is consistent with Ted doing knife based personal murders like Zodiac, or Valerie Percy, or others. Or was just a figment of David and Joe’s imagination.

When I personally asked David to give his DNA to be compared to what I thought was possible Zodiac DNA, David refused. He told me he didn’t think Ted was the Zodiac or Tylenol Killer, but he refused to give DNA on the grounds that Ted could be "exposed to a possible death penalty." Of course Ted would only face a death penalty if he actually was the Zodiac or Tylenol Killer.

The only copy of the book is in the Library of Congress.

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Posted : February 21, 2018 7:49 am
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I wonder what it’s made of. Looks to be leather with some sort of silk or satin lining.

 
Posted : February 21, 2018 8:40 am
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I wonder what it’s made of. Looks to be leather with some sort of silk or satin lining.

Could be. Might be canvas of some type, with the inside liner maybe silk, or something soft and comfortable like that.

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Posted : February 22, 2018 8:24 am
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Thanks very much Zresearch, Jelberg, Daxide and others. Glad you all are finding this topic of interest.

A blast from the past – an important post that should get more attention.

This home made HOOD was found in Ted Kaczynski’s cabin:

LINDA:

This does give you a few chills thinking how much this home-made hood reminds of you of another… Wonder what Ted used this for… It looks quite old to me. Stitching around the eyes is interesting. Hand stitches maybe? How about the lining…wonder what that’s made of.

LUKE 68:

What the hell would a distance killer like the Unabomber, need a hood like that for? It’s not like he would have used it to hunt his favourite snowshoe rabbits.

Linda and Luke, I agree! I can think of NO USE for this hood for Ted as the Unabomber or as a hunter. Makes no sense.

Azazel, it does look flat on top!

Ricardo, I saw this listed in the FBI inventory 2 years ago, but this is the first time the image has been released to the public. The inventory also lists a BLACK "face mask" but says it is similar to a "Ski Mask", thus it would be like a hood as in it covers the whole head. No image on that one yet, that I have seen.

And yes the iconic sketch image of Ted in glasses and sweatshirt hoodie conjures up images of the Zodiac at Lake Berryessa, with his dark glasses and hood, doesn’t it?

The existence of the hood found in Kaczynski’s cabin shows that Ted, like Zodiac, wanted and could make a decent hood.

There is also a BLACK HOOD reported as found in Ted’s cabin, but as yet no image I have seen.

So both Zodiac and Kaczynski designed and made hoods.

NOW…

I am going to engage in a little speculation here, just exploration and asking a question.

Looking at the pictures of Zodiac in costume, it appears the hood has a box shape, like there might be a welding mask type structure. It also appears the hood is connected to the dickey that comes over the chest. So that it is one unit. It also appears in the police drawing that the hood has RECTANGULAR EYE SLITS.

Is it POSSIBLE that he may have wanted to wear a partial face mask hood UNDERNEATH the bulky hood-dickey structure? Perhaps in case it got knocked off during a struggle, so his face would still be partially covered?

Because it does look like the rectangular eye slits on the Kaczynski hood line up quite well with the rectangular eye slits on the Zodiac hood.

And they are both flat on top.

This item is being sold to the public. If there is even a 1% chance this could be something Zodiac wore, I wish it could be tested for DNA. With the bloody scene at Lake Berryessa, when Zodiac removed his hood with his hands, tiny microscopic specks of blood from the victims could have got on the hood.


Also, consider this welding mask found in Ted’s cabin could provide the odd structure for the Zodiac hood. Others have speculated that Zodiac may have had a welding mask underneath the hood. Its odd that Ted had a welding mask, but no welding equipment, and no electricity anyway!


————————————————–
Word and phrase matches between Zodiac and Kaczynski by Doug Oswell and AK Wilks

Z = I gave the cops som bussy work to do to keep them happy. Seven-Page Letter, 1969.

K = This seems to us a thoroughly contemptible way for the human race to end up, and we doubt that many people would find fulfilling lives in such pointless busy-work. Unabomber Manifesto, 1995.

Z = This is the murderer of the 2 teenagers last Christmass at Lake Herman & the girl on the 4th of July near the golf course in Vallejo. To prove I killed them I shall state some facts which only I & the police know. Three-Part Cipher, 1969.

K = To prove that we are the ones who planted the bomb at U. Of Cal. last May we will mention a few details that could be known only to us and the FBI who investigated the incident. S.F. Examiner Letter, 1985.

Z = As of yet I have left no fingerprints behind me contrary to what the police say. Seven-Page Letter, 1969.

K = Contrary to what the FBI has suggested, our bombing at the California Forestry Association was in no way inspired by the Oklahoma City bombing. New York Times Letter, 1995.

Z = This is the murderer of the 2 teenagers last Christmass … July 31, 1969 Letter (Chronicle).
This is the Zodiac speaking. Numerous correspondences, 1969 through 1971.

K = This is a message from the terrorist group FC. New York Times Letter, April 24, 1995.
This is a message from FC. Tom Tyler Letter, June 30, 1995.

Z = I promised to punish them if they did not comply, by anilating a full School Buss. But now school is out for the summer, so I punished them in another way. Mt. Diablo Letter, 1970.

K = The people who are pushing all this growth and progress garbage deserve to be severely punished. New York Times Letter, 1995.

Z = By the way it could be rather messy if you try to bluff me. Seven-Page Letter, 1Nov 969.

K = A special case of Theorem (b) was proved (in effect) in [6, proof of Theorem 6] by means of a rather messy lemma. T.J. Kaczynski. Boundary Functions and Sets of Curvilinear Convergence for Continuous Functions. Transactions of the American Mathematical Society, Vol. 141 ( July 1969), 107-125, p. 124.

Z = [Called a violent movie] "deplorable".

K = [Called OKC bombing] "deplorable".

I do think the shared word usage of Kaczynski and Zodiac is remarkable, and totally unlike what we see in any other Z suspect. No other Z suspect has anything approaching the number of matches.

Both Zodiac and Ted Kaczynski sometimes used a similar blocky style, with little circles to dot the "I" ‘s.

Ted K and SF sketch without glasses:

TECHNOPHOBIA

Is the name of the novel written by Joe LaFollette in 1985, based on long conversations with David Kaczynski. The plot is about a Berkeley professor who hates computers, in particular an artifical intelligence system named LAURA. He starts doing KNIFE MURDERS in a war against society.

Hmm, sounds like anyone David Kaczynski would have known?

The information from David is consistent with Ted doing knife based personal murders like Zodiac, or Valerie Percy, or others. Or was just a figment of David and Joe’s imagination.

When I personally asked David to give his DNA to be compared to what I thought was possible Zodiac DNA, David refused. He told me he didn’t think Ted was the Zodiac or Tylenol Killer, but he refused to give DNA on the grounds that Ted could be "exposed to a possible death penalty." Of course Ted would only face a death penalty if he actually was the Zodiac or Tylenol Killer.

The only copy of the book is in the Library of Congress.

This is great stuff. Amazing work.

I am still reviewing and processing all the information here, but this is fascinating, this is one of the best cases for an "unofficial" zodiac suspect that I have encountered so far.

I found it most interesting that this was a suspect which I initially dismissed and was highly skeptical of, yet through building a good case, and through thoughtfully interpreting and articulating the evidence, you guys were able to change mind and grab my attention.

I feel there is some real substance here, and feel investigation of this POI has high potential. …it’s damned interesting none the less.

Thank you for your posts and contributions!

I wish I could add more to this topic, but I find myself fully occupied reviewing the information which has already been posted, so while I can not add much as of now, I think yourself and others are doing a great job with this subject.

 
Posted : February 27, 2018 6:28 pm
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ITA that Ted is the most likely out of all publicly named poi’s to date.

It is also very suspicious that Ted and his brother do not wish to co-operate with DNA testing. Would not sane people wish to be cleared of being the Zodiac?

Ted clearly does not want to be thought of as insane and I’ll assume he wouldn’t want to be thought of as "asinine" lol although he does seem to have a sense of humor of sorts from what I’ve read.

This hood is very suspicious but an innocent explanation for it just came to me after reading this. Wasn’t Ted killing rabbits for food? He was living in the woods and living a very primative lifestyle. Also, the weather in Illinois is very harsh with lots of insects in the summer and very cold snowy conditions in the winter.

I’m thinking perhaps he had this mask and wore it when he was hunting animals for food and/or when he was preparing them for consumption and also to protect himself from bug bites such as mosquitos and frostbite.

 
Posted : February 27, 2018 10:24 pm
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Just remembered reading some time ago about Ted’s letter-writing from prison and wondering if Wilks et al might write him a letter and simply ask him about this mask and any other objects of curiosity without mention of the Zodiac.

And that makes me wonder if Ted’s DNA wouldn’t be on this mask as well as all the other things including any correspondence he sent from prison in answer to letters he received?

 
Posted : February 27, 2018 10:30 pm
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ITA that Ted is the most likely out of all publicly named poi’s to date.

It is also very suspicious that Ted and his brother do not wish to co-operate with DNA testing. Would not sane people wish to be cleared of being the Zodiac?

Ted clearly does not want to be thought of as insane and I’ll assume he wouldn’t want to be thought of as "asinine" lol although he does seem to have a sense of humor of sorts from what I’ve read.

This hood is very suspicious but an innocent explanation for it just came to me after reading this. Wasn’t Ted killing rabbits for food? He was living in the woods and living a very primative lifestyle. Also, the weather in Illinois is very harsh with lots of insects in the summer and very cold snowy conditions in the winter.

I’m thinking perhaps he had this mask and wore it when he was hunting animals for food and/or when he was preparing them for consumption and also to protect himself from bug bites such as mosquitos and frostbite.

It’s true that Ted did a lot of hunting in Montana in the winter. But I can’t see this homemade hood being of any use to him for hunting in the winter. First of all, for camouflage purposes a winter hood should be all white, not this darkish color. Second, this appears to be a canvas hood, thin layer, does not provide any warmth at all.

Third, for hunting in winter to provide warmth for the face, he would simply by a conventional ski mask that covers the whole face and it’s built for warmth.

Other hunters and outdoors people have agreed with my assessment. What do other people think? It also would be useless for any of the known Unabomber crimes, which consisted of mailing packages and occasionally planting bombs on a campus or at a business. Wearing ta hood like this would not protect you, it would just make you stand out like a sore thumb!

This home made HOOD was found in Ted Kaczynski’s cabin:

LINDA:

This does give you a few chills thinking how much this home-made hood reminds of you of another… Wonder what Ted used this for… It looks quite old to me. Stitching around the eyes is interesting. Hand stitches maybe? How about the lining…wonder what that’s made of.

LUKE 68:

What the hell would a distance killer like the Unabomber, need a hood like that for? It’s not like he would have used it to hunt his favourite snowshoe rabbits.

Linda and Luke, I agree! I can think of NO USE for this hood for Ted as the Unabomber or as a hunter. Makes no sense.

Azazel, it does look flat on top!

Ricardo, I saw this listed in the FBI inventory 2 years ago, but this is the first time the image has been released to the public. The inventory also lists a BLACK "face mask" but says it is similar to a "Ski Mask", thus it would be like a hood as in it covers the whole head. No image on that one yet, that I have seen.

And yes the iconic sketch image of Ted in glasses and sweatshirt hoodie conjures up images of the Zodiac at Lake Berryessa, with his dark glasses and hood, doesn’t it?

The existence of the hood found in Kaczynski’s cabin shows that Ted, like Zodiac, wanted and could make a decent hood.

There is also a BLACK HOOD reported as found in Ted’s cabin, but as yet no image I have seen.

So both Zodiac and Kaczynski designed and made hoods.

NOW…

I am going to engage in a little speculation here, just exploration and asking a question.

Looking at the pictures of Zodiac in costume, it appears the hood has a box shape, like there might be a welding mask type structure. It also appears the hood is connected to the dickey that comes over the chest. So that it is one unit. It also appears in the police drawing that the hood has RECTANGULAR EYE SLITS.

Is it POSSIBLE that he may have wanted to wear a partial face mask hood UNDERNEATH the bulky hood-dickey structure? Perhaps in case it got knocked off during a struggle, so his face would still be partially covered? Or was this a prototype hood created first, with the perfected hood being disposed of after the crime?

Because it does look like the rectangular eye slits on the Kaczynski hood line up quite well with the rectangular eye slits on the Zodiac hood.

And they are both flat on top.

This item is being sold to the public. If there is even a 1% chance this could be something Zodiac wore, I wish it could be tested for DNA. With the bloody scene at Lake Berryessa, when Zodiac removed his hood with his hands, tiny microscopic specks of blood from the victims could have got on the hood.


Also, consider this welding mask found in Ted’s cabin could provide the odd structure for the Zodiac hood. Others have speculated that Zodiac may have had a welding mask underneath the hood. Its odd that Ted had a welding mask, but no welding equipment, and no electricity anyway!


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Posted : February 27, 2018 11:04 pm
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I welcome the effort, but Ted knows all about DNA. He did not lick an envelope or a stamp in 18 years of Unabomber mail bombs and letter mailings, and I doubt he would slip up now. I don’t know about the ability to get touch DNA from paper. I am under the impression most touch DNA is left when a person grabs clothes violently, and leaves skin cells or sweat. Although DNA technology is constantly improving. But please keep me informed, by private messages.

Myself and another researcher have our own ongoing project concerning Ted’s DNA, and I am in touch with law enforcement on it. I Can’t post any info on it at this time.

Many years back Doug Oswell wrote the following letter to Ted Kaczynski asking for proof of an alibi for Zodiac murder and mailing dates. He never got an answer. Also, an attorney for Ted told a writer that they could not provide an alibi for any of these dates – not that they would not, but that they could not.

The first Unabomber crime was in 1978, yet in the early seventies Ted recorded that he had already engaged in "violent rebellion" against society. In the summer of 1966 Ted recorded the "breakthrough" moment in his life, when he decided to "REALLY kill everyone I hated".(Emphasis in original). The people he hated included "bigshots", scientists, big businessmen, police – but also "rowdy college students" promiscuous women who are "pigs, animals" and "noisy" love making couples.

Had Ted supplied a verified alibi for any of the key Z dates – a witness statement, a paycheck stub, letter written and postmarked out of state, etc. – that would end speculation about him being Z.

This is the letter:

Mr. Kaczynski:

My name is Douglas Oswell. For the past five years I have been researching the similarities between the Unabomber and a world-renowned criminal styled “Zodiac,” who became a pop-culture icon in the late 1960s through a series of sensational murders and correspondences with the press.

At this juncture I have uncovered no evidence that would forge a definite link between the activities of the Unabomber and those of Zodiac. Authorities at both the state and federal level have written off the likelihood of any such connection. Nevertheless it is undeniable (even by the detractors of a connection) that many similarities exist.

I have been advised that it would be unfair to suggest such a connection without offering you the opportunity to defend the reputation of the Unabomber and the philosophy for which he stood. To that end I would like to present you with a list of dates and ask that you provide accounts of your whereabouts for as many of those dates as possible. A valid alibi for even a single date, backed by documentary evidence, would be sufficient to prove conclusively that there is no linkage whatsoever between the sordid crimes of Zodiac and the more principled (albeit terrible) activities of the Unabomber.

Here is the list of dates in question:

(Gives dates of confirmed Zodiac murders and mailings, like December 20, 1968, July 4, 1969 and possible Zodiac crimes, like October 30, 1966).

Please bear in mind that any alibi should be backed either by documentary evidence or the word of a reliable individual. In the latter case I would appreciate receiving from you a letter or letters of introduction that will establish my credibility to any such person.

It is only fair to state that I do not consider your brother, David Kaczynski, to be a reliable individual for the purpose of establishing an alibi. In 1985, based on conversations with your brother, a friend of his wrote a heretofore unpublished novel about “a Berkeley professor’s war with technology.” Within that novel the fictional "Berkeley professor" committed (knife) murders to promote his worldview, thus anticipating the actual truth long before the Unabomber entered the public imagination.

Whatever the case, I will publish your response in such a way that it may be freely accessed by any interested person.

There is an advantage to you in this. The entire world is aware that you have risked your life to disprove the notion that the Unabomber’s actions were not philosophically motivated, but simply the result of a deviant or warped psychology. I must frankly tell you that the postulated linkage between Zodiac and the Unabomber has grown and persisted in the past five years. Indeed, it shows signs of strengthening in the years to come. I fear that if this theory is not thoroughly refuted, posterity will know the Unabomber not for his principled stand against technology, but for his similarity to a sick and sordid criminal who murdered minor children to assuage his sexual frustrations and shore up a foundering ego. The Zodiac Killer is widely known as “America’s Jack the Ripper.” The Unabomber is fast becoming the “favorite suspect" in a mystery that, because it remains unsolved, will endure for many years to come. You alone can divest him of that distinction.

I thank you for your attention to this matter and encourage you to respond. Enclosed is a small amount of money ($5.00) to defray the cost of postage and stationery.

Sincerely,
Douglas E. Oswell
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Doug told me he never got a reply to this letter.

If TK was NOT the Zodiac, it would be so easy for him to blow this whole idea out of the water, by producing a timecard, a paycheck, class attendance sheet, a letter, postmarked envelope, a photograph taken out of state, a witness.

Doug told me another writer got a response from Ted’s attorney that NO ALIBI for the above dates could be produced.

linda
Sergeant

Sounds like the letter must have gotten through if someone got a response from Ted’s attorney regarding no alibi being available. I’ve always found it interesting that in the Unabomber case itself, the period of time from Ted’s college years until 1978 seem to be brushed over. If there had been a trial, maybe some more about these years would have come out, but since he plead guilty, these years are presented almost as a blur…

AK WILKS:

onewhoknows asked: "Dear AK have you ever sent a letter to TK and asked him if he is the Zodiac? Just wondering"

AK: I have not yet, but in the first post you can see what happened when Doug Oswell did.

Ted did not respond.

This still cracks me up!

Apparently Ted Kaczynski is the only person left in the world besides Robert Graysmith who thinks Allen was the Zodiac.

Ted relies on the fact that according to him "law enforcement authorities concluded I had no connection with the Zodiac case." :roll:

Yep thats Ted, always a big believer in how right the law enforcement authorities are! This from the man who said the "FBI isn’t going to catch [me] anytime soon. The FBI is a joke." :P

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Posted : February 28, 2018 1:11 am
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Jelberg,

Great minds think alike LOL! What’s your sign?

I myself have never written to Ted as yet but am thinking about doing so. He does have some very good points and I have a great deal of empathy for him after reading about his background and the experiments.

Also, I would love to know if that was he who sat in my row on a flight from Denver to Chicago where my poi was waiting for me (which makes me wonder about the possibility they could have known each other).

(AK Wilks – Extensive off-topic material deleted.)

 
Posted : February 28, 2018 1:52 am
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That’s interesting material but it really doesn’t belong here. If you haven’t already, you should start a thread in the all other suspects section, to give all the details and evidence about your POI. You can post a link to it here and I promise I’ll check it out, and I’m sure other people will too.

But in named POI sections we like to have just material evidence on that POI, so let’s stay focused on that.

That’s a rule we all pretty much applied to. We don’t discuss suspects other than Gaikowski in the Gaikowski section, we don’t present evidence on suspects other than Ross Sullivan in the Sullivan section, etc, so the same should apply here in the Ted Kaczynski section. Otherwise it disrupts the flow of information and the discussion of evidence on the relevant suspect.

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Posted : February 28, 2018 2:36 am
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Capricorn and Jelberg, I welcome the effort, but Ted knows all about DNA. He did not lick an envelope or a stamp in 18 years of Unabomber mail bombs and letter mailings, and I doubt he would slip up now.

I don’t know about the ability to get touch DNA from paper. I am under the impression most touch DNA is left when a person grabs clothes violently, and leaves skin cells or sweat. Although DNA technology is constantly improving. But please keep me informed, by private messages.

Myself and another researcher have our own ongoing project concerning Ted’s DNA, and I am in touch with law enforcement on it. I Can’t post any info on it at this time.

Many years back Doug Oswell wrote the following letter to Ted Kaczynski asking for proof of an alibi for Zodiac murder and mailing dates. He never got an answer. Also, an attorney for Ted told a writer that they could not provide an alibi for any of these dates – not that they would not, but that they could not.

The first Unabomber crime was in 1978, yet in the early seventies Ted recorded that he had already engaged in "violent rebellion" against society. In the summer of 1966 Ted recorded the "breakthrough" moment in his life, when he decided to "REALLY kill everyone I hated".(Emphasis in original). The people he hated included "bigshots", scientists, big businessmen, police – but also "rowdy college students" promiscuous women who are "pigs, animals" and "noisy" love making couples.

Had Ted supplied a verified alibi for any of the key Z dates – a witness statement, a paycheck stub, letter written and postmarked out of state, etc. – that would end speculation about him being Z.

This is the letter:

Mr. Kaczynski:

My name is Douglas Oswell. For the past five years I have been researching the similarities between the Unabomber and a world-renowned criminal styled “Zodiac,” who became a pop-culture icon in the late 1960s through a series of sensational murders and correspondences with the press.

At this juncture I have uncovered no evidence that would forge a definite link between the activities of the Unabomber and those of Zodiac. Authorities at both the state and federal level have written off the likelihood of any such connection. Nevertheless it is undeniable (even by the detractors of a connection) that many similarities exist.

I have been advised that it would be unfair to suggest such a connection without offering you the opportunity to defend the reputation of the Unabomber and the philosophy for which he stood. To that end I would like to present you with a list of dates and ask that you provide accounts of your whereabouts for as many of those dates as possible. A valid alibi for even a single date, backed by documentary evidence, would be sufficient to prove conclusively that there is no linkage whatsoever between the sordid crimes of Zodiac and the more principled (albeit terrible) activities of the Unabomber.

Here is the list of dates in question:

(Gives dates of confirmed Zodiac murders and mailings, like December 20, 1968, July 4, 1969 and possible Zodiac crimes, like October 30, 1966).

Please bear in mind that any alibi should be backed either by documentary evidence or the word of a reliable individual. In the latter case I would appreciate receiving from you a letter or letters of introduction that will establish my credibility to any such person.

It is only fair to state that I do not consider your brother, David Kaczynski, to be a reliable individual for the purpose of establishing an alibi. In 1985, based on conversations with your brother, a friend of his wrote a heretofore unpublished novel about “a Berkeley professor’s war with technology.” Within that novel the fictional "Berkeley professor" committed (knife) murders to promote his worldview, thus anticipating the actual truth long before the Unabomber entered the public imagination.

Whatever the case, I will publish your response in such a way that it may be freely accessed by any interested person.

There is an advantage to you in this. The entire world is aware that you have risked your life to disprove the notion that the Unabomber’s actions were not philosophically motivated, but simply the result of a deviant or warped psychology. I must frankly tell you that the postulated linkage between Zodiac and the Unabomber has grown and persisted in the past five years. Indeed, it shows signs of strengthening in the years to come. I fear that if this theory is not thoroughly refuted, posterity will know the Unabomber not for his principled stand against technology, but for his similarity to a sick and sordid criminal who murdered minor children to assuage his sexual frustrations and shore up a foundering ego. The Zodiac Killer is widely known as “America’s Jack the Ripper.” The Unabomber is fast becoming the “favorite suspect" in a mystery that, because it remains unsolved, will endure for many years to come. You alone can divest him of that distinction.

I thank you for your attention to this matter and encourage you to respond. Enclosed is a small amount of money ($5.00) to defray the cost of postage and stationery.

Sincerely,
Douglas E. Oswell
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Doug told me he never got a reply to this letter.

If TK was NOT the Zodiac, it would be so easy for him to blow this whole idea out of the water, by producing a timecard, a paycheck, class attendance sheet, a letter, postmarked envelope, a photograph taken out of state, a witness.

Doug told me another writer got a response from Ted’s attorney that NO ALIBI for the above dates could be produced.

linda
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Sounds like the letter must have gotten through if someone got a response from Ted’s attorney regarding no alibi being available. I’ve always found it interesting that in the Unabomber case itself, the period of time from Ted’s college years until 1978 seem to be brushed over. If there had been a trial, maybe some more about these years would have come out, but since he plead guilty, these years are presented almost as a blur…

AK WILKS:

onewhoknows asked: "Dear AK have you ever sent a letter to TK and asked him if he is the Zodiac? Just wondering"

AK: I have not yet, but in the first post you can see what happened when Doug Oswell did.

Ted did not respond.

This still cracks me up!

Apparently Ted Kaczynski is the only person left in the world besides Robert Graysmith who thinks Allen was the Zodiac.

Ted relies on the fact that according to him "law enforcement authorities concluded I had no connection with the Zodiac case." :roll:

Yep thats Ted, always a big believer in how right the law enforcement authorities are! This from the man who said the "FBI isn’t going to catch [me] anytime soon. The FBI is a joke." :P

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Posted : February 28, 2018 3:14 am
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ITA that Ted is the most likely out of all publicly named poi’s to date.

It is also very suspicious that Ted and his brother do not wish to co-operate with DNA testing. Would not sane people wish to be cleared of being the Zodiac?

Ted clearly does not want to be thought of as insane and I’ll assume he wouldn’t want to be thought of as "asinine" lol although he does seem to have a sense of humor of sorts from what I’ve read.

This hood is very suspicious but an innocent explanation for it just came to me after reading this. Wasn’t Ted killing rabbits for food? He was living in the woods and living a very primative lifestyle. Also, the weather in Illinois is very harsh with lots of insects in the summer and very cold snowy conditions in the winter.

I’m thinking perhaps he had this mask and wore it when he was hunting animals for food and/or when he was preparing them for consumption and also to protect himself from bug bites such as mosquitos and frostbite.

While this could serve as a potential explanation, I tend to agree with AK in that a hood like that doesn’t seem very reasonable as a hunting accessory.

I know plenty of hunters and "outdoors-men" that live incredibly rustic and primitive lives, even hunting for their own food, yet a can not recall ever seeing masks of this sort being used.

If masks like this are used by hunters then please correct me, as I am not very familiar with this type of thing, but just based off of my opinion at first glance I am having trouble trying to envision it.

 
Posted : March 1, 2018 6:51 pm
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Excellent work on this topic AK and others.

Great stuff. Again, this has to be the best case I have encountered so far regarding an "unofficial" person of interest in the zodiac case.

 
Posted : March 1, 2018 6:55 pm
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ITA that Ted is the most likely out of all publicly named poi’s to date.

It is also very suspicious that Ted and his brother do not wish to co-operate with DNA testing. Would not sane people wish to be cleared of being the Zodiac?

Ted clearly does not want to be thought of as insane and I’ll assume he wouldn’t want to be thought of as "asinine" lol although he does seem to have a sense of humor of sorts from what I’ve read.

This hood is very suspicious but an innocent explanation for it just came to me after reading this. Wasn’t Ted killing rabbits for food? He was living in the woods and living a very primative lifestyle. Also, the weather in Illinois is very harsh with lots of insects in the summer and very cold snowy conditions in the winter.

I’m thinking perhaps he had this mask and wore it when he was hunting animals for food and/or when he was preparing them for consumption and also to protect himself from bug bites such as mosquitos and frostbite.

While this could serve as a potential explanation, I tend to agree with AK in that a hood like that doesn’t seem very reasonable as a hunting accessory.

I know plenty of hunters and "outdoors-men" that live incredibly rustic and primitive lives, even hunting for their own food, yet a can not recall ever seeing masks of this sort being used.

If masks like this are used by hunters then please correct me, as I am not very familiar with this type of thing, but just based off of my opinion at first glance I am having trouble trying to envision it.

I wonder if one of the reasons Ted had this hood was simply to wear during bomb construction and letter writing. As AK mentioned Ted knows all about how DNA and fingerprinting work. If you wore a hood like this, I would imagine it would catch most of the DNA (coughing/sweating/breathing/shedding hair) and minimize the chance that it would be deposited on one of the letters/bombs.

Maybe…

Though when it comes to brainstorming reasons why someone would need a creepy mask like that, it would be pretty low on my list.

Just the fact that Ted makes such masks is significant regardless of what he used it for, I mean, how many POI’s have a history of making creepy masks, specially masks which are made in a fashion which leaves the top box-like in appearance….

 
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