Thanks Margie, I wasn’t able to do that with the picture. That’s the main gate at Harvard. They have 25 gates in total but the main gate has the circle and cross. Ted Kaczynski would’ve walked through that gate quite often and it’s quite a thing to see.

The shape of the Tylenol suspect’s shoulders and TK’s look extremely similar. They both have a slightly rounded, and highly bent down ( like this /), curved shape.
Compare the peculiar shape of the Tylenol Killer ( https://i.redd.it/hey1pseddyo01.png )to Tk’s, especially the shoulders.

Shaqmeister – No problem, glad you found the information helpful.

Daxide – Interesting observation. I think there is something to it.

Other observable similarities I have noted include affect and demeanor, flat hair on sides, general shape of head, large forehead, nose, black beard with whiteness at bottom center. A lens flare creates the appearance of a more reseeding hairline. But TK also used make up and disguises to appear different, so he could have shaved his hair a little to appear older and different.

Suspect in Tylenol Murders and Ted Kaczynski

It’s crazy to think TK wouldn’t even disguise his writing in his letters to the press as the Zodiac killer! But it’s all there! Unfortunately, he has no good reason to admit he was Z, rather the opposite

It’s crazy to think TK wouldn’t even disguise his writing in his letters to the press as the Zodiac killer! But it’s all there! Unfortunately, he has no good reason to admit he was Z, rather the opposite

Ted leads a miserable life in an ultra-max security prison. The promise of a better life might compel him to confess, though given the gravity of the Unabomber crimes I doubt the authorities would permit this.

ted couldn’t have been the zodiac. totally different kind of serial killer. Z is a thrill killer with hatred of women and couples and likes to get up close and personal. Ted is a mission oriented serial killer who kills from afar with bombs and whos victims are totally different.
all the circumstantial evidence and apparent similarities is superfluous.

different victimology
different motivation
different weapon
different serial killer type

totally different animal.

What you stated is the common perception of Ted K, and I would say the common misperception of Ted K. Here are the documented facts. Keep in mind that three of the four confirmed Zodiac attacks are on male – female couples. Two of these attacks are in known "lovers lanes", isolated spots where couples would park for sex, and one was on a couple on a blanket by a lake.

In the late summer of 1966, most likely late August/early September 1966, in his journal Ted Kaczynski records a break through moment in his life. He is a genius, yet socially alienated and isolated. A graduate student at the University of Michigan, his room is next to rooms occupied by the players on the U of M hockey team. He describes hearing loud parties with a lot of drinking and yelling. Ted has a lifelong over sensitivity to loud noises. He also describes frequently hearing the sound of couples having sex in the apartment next door to his, and he reports being driven "mad" by these sounds and says it fills him with frustration and anger. Out of despair and self described "acute sexual starvation", he records in his journal that instead of killing himself he will "really kill everyone I hate."

The people he says he hates and wants to kill are many, but they include two distinct groups. One group is what he calls "bigshots" or "government officials", and these include "scientists", "big businessmen", "politicians" and "police".

The other group of people he hated and wanted to kill included love making "couples", "rowdy college students" and those college men and especially women he deems "promiscuous", who are nothing but "animals" and "pigs". Look at the government psychiatric report on Kaczynski done after he was arrested for the Unabomber crimes:

In the summer after his fourth year [of graduate school, the summer of 1966], he describes experiencing a period of several weeks where he was sexually excited nearly all the time and was fantasizing himself as a woman and being unable to obtain any sexual relief. He decided to make an effort to have a sex change operation. When he returned to the University of Michigan [most likely in late August or early September 1966] he made an appointment to see a psychiatrist to be examined to determine if the sex change would be good for him. He claimed that by putting on an act he could con the psychiatrist into thinking him suitable for a feminine role even though his motive was exclusively erotic. As he was sitting in the waiting room, he turned completely against the idea of the operation and thus, when he saw the doctor, instead claimed he was depressed about the possibility of being drafted. He describes the following:

"As I walked away from the building afterwards, I felt disgusted about what my uncontrolled sexual cravings had almost led me to do and I felt humiliated, and I violently hated the psychiatrist. Just then there came a major turning point in my life. Like a Phoenix, I burst from the ashes of my despair to a glorious new hope. I thought I wanted to kill that psychiatrist because the future looked utterly empty to me. I felt I wouldn’t care if I died. And so I said to myself why not really kill the psychiatrist and anyone else whom I hate. What is important is not the words that ran through my mind but the way I felt about them. What was entirely new was the fact that I really felt I could kill someone. My very hopelessness had liberated me because I no longer cared about death. I no longer cared about consequences and I said to myself that I really could break out of my rut in life an do things that were daring, irresponsible or criminal." [Psych Report] {Emphasis added}

That happened sometime in the summer of 1966, most likely in late August/early September 1966. About two and a half weeks later, minutes away from the area of the Kaczynski family home, the suburban Chicago mansion of high tech business CEO and politician Charles Percy is invaded and his college student daughter Valerie is killed by a brutal hammer and knife attack. Hours away in Suburban Cincinnati, on September 27, 1966, Monsanto chemical engineer Gerry Bricca, his wife and daughter are bound and killed in a knife attack. Based on information I provided them, the Zodiac and Ted Kaczynski are Persons of Interest in the unsolved crime, and the police officially announced that the Zodiac Killer was a suspect in a press release they issued.

On October 30, 1966, when evidence shows Ted Kaczynski is in California for a job interview, the first probable Zodiac crime, the knife murder of college student Cheri Jo Bates occurs outside of a college library, within one day of a major fall holiday. By virtue of a witness picking him out of a photo lineup, Ted Kaczynski is placed at the scene of a college library knife murder that occurred within one day of a major fall holiday in November 1969.

His first confirmed Unabomber crime was in 1978, when he was 36 years old. Yet we know from research that the most active and violent period for the majority of serial killers is from their late teens to late twenties. And we see that Kaczynski reports the motivation, desire and ability to kill at least as early as the late summer of 1966, when he was 24 years old.

In 1971, Ted records that he has already "violently rebelled" against society. In the journal that records his Unabomber crimes, including murders done by bombs, in light of the fact that some in the radical environmental, anti – technology and primitivist anarchist movements are regarding the Unabomber attacks against corporations as heroic, he reports that accounts of other unspecified crimes have been "buried" or "burned", because their revelation to the public would be "dangerous", "embarrassing" or "just very bad public relations at this point in time".

Shaqmeister – No problem, glad you found the information helpful.

Daxide – Interesting observation. I think there is something to it.

Other observable similarities I have noted include affect and demeanor, flat hair on sides, general shape of head, large forehead, nose, black beard with whiteness at bottom center. A lens flare creates the appearance of a more reseeding hairline. But TK also used make up and disguises to appear different, so he could have shaved his hair a little to appear older and different.

They do look extremely similar. I wonder if with some software or A.I. it would be possible to compute a similarity coefficient of the two people?

TK i highly doubt would have ever applied at a community college…there is nothing that ties TK to CJB….short of the actual application to RCC i will consider this theoretical discussion material and as we know "all theories are gray my friend"…credit to Johann Goethe

CJB dosent even have the smell (but possibly a whiff) of TK to me…CJB and Stein does not fit the MO of TK in my investagory opinion…but and there is always a but..it does raise an eyebrow by use of the knifing (in regards to CJB) and the rage (TK took rage to a whole other level) the killer seems to have experienced…

"RH" seems to me, to may have been a student in legal studies at the college…SCOTUS will use initials when a minor is listed as defendant or respondant..the unknown author of the desk poem would have been aware of such if he (or SHE) was enrolled in any pre law or orther legal studies course(s)…but again "all theories are gray my friend"

The guys in the supermarket are not Ted Kaczynski, imo.

One guy with the wig has a very distinctively hooked nose. At least I think the blonde is a man with a wig or is it Paula Prince? I see a man wearing a wig…

The second, bit similar to Ted, however has a large receding hairline, which Ted hadn’t either, not even on the day of his arrest. 100% sure Ted is not on this picture. Also, Ted was acting alone.

QT

TK i highly doubt would have ever applied at a community college…there is nothing that ties TK to CJB….short of the actual application to RCC i will consider this theoretical discussion material and as we know "all theories are gray my friend"…credit to Johann Goethe

CJB dosent even have the smell (but possibly a whiff) of TK to me…CJB and Stein does not fit the MO of TK in my investagory opinion…but and there is always a but..it does raise an eyebrow by use of the knifing (in regards to CJB) and the rage (TK took rage to a whole other level) the killer seems to have experienced…

"RH" seems to me, to may have been a student in legal studies at the college…SCOTUS will use initials when a minor is listed as defendant or respondant..the unknown author of the desk poem would have been aware of such if he (or SHE) was enrolled in any pre law or orther legal studies course(s)…but again "all theories are gray my friend"

I have never stated or implied that TK would apply for a job at RCC. He came out to California in 1966 to interview for a job at the University of california Berkeley. He was hired for that job and started it in 1967. For many reasons, I think TK would be very leery of starting a killing spree right where he started a new job.

In late August/early September of 1966, TK records that the sound from the rooms next door to his, of couples having sex, is driving him "mad", and that he is suffering from "acute sexual starvation". He describes a crisis point in his life, contemplating a sex change operation and then suicide, he then described that he was "born again like a Phoenix from the ashes", and instead of killing himself he will now "really kill everyone (he) hates". The people he lists as hating, and therefore worthy of now killing, include couples, college students and men and women he suspects are promiscuous.

You say TK has no known connection to Bates. I will grant you that, but you seem to be holding him to a uniquely high standard. What is the connection of Gaikowski to Bates? In 1966 and 1967, when Ted was at least in California, Bates was murdered and the Bates letters were sent, Gaikowski was living and working in Albany, New York. What is the known connection between Allen and Bates, or Kane and Bates?

I tend to think it is very possible that the killer wrote the morbid poem and left the initials RH. I think that poem written on a school desk,a wooden surface, along with the confession letter, were attempts by the killer to make the police think that Bates was killed by a local person, a fellow student and likely someone who knew her personally. I think the initials RH were part of this trail of false clues.

TK did use the initials RV on a note he left inside of a bomb as a false clue to fool the police into thinking the Unabomber had those initials.TK was also picked by a witness out of a photo lineup as being at the Penn State University Library the day before Betsy Aardsma was killed by a knife attack. In that case someone, likely the killer, left a morbid statement about death written into a wood surface connected to a chair. It was signed by the initials RSK. The Riverside poem writer wrote about a girl in a red dress bleeding. Aardsma was wearing a red dress when she was attacked by knife and killed.

Suspect in Tylenol Murders and Ted Kaczynski

QT I’m not sure what you’re talking about when you refer to "the guys" in the picture. There is only one suspect in the picture. He is the man with a beard wearing a white jacket. He is looking at Paula Prince, who has blonde frizzy hair and is wearing her flight attendant uniform. She purchased the bottle of Tylenol that had the cyanide capsule in it, and died instantly when she took it.

The man with the beard wearing the white jacket looking at her was the official suspect in the Tylenol murders wanted for questioning by the FBI.

There seems to be a lens flare or some distortion that is covering up a part of the man’s hair. Also, don’t forget that Ted wore disguises and altered his appearance when committing criminal activity in a public area. He would wear multiple shirts and stuff a towel under the shirt to make himself appear heavier.

He also used makeup, and he even put wax in his nose and under his lips to change the appearance of his face. It is very possible he could have shaved back some of his hair, to change his appearance and make himself look older.

The FBI has a much better quality photograph of this man. When I gave them information about TK as a suspect, I am sure they compared the pictures I gave them with the higher-quality photos they had of the Tylenol suspect. If they could rule out TK as being that man, they would not have proceeded further with the investigation. But they did proceed further, asking TK if he would volunteer a DNA sample in the case.

The field agents I talked to on the Tylenol task force wanted to proceed further with the investigation. When TK refused to give a voluntary sample, which is what a guilty person would do, they wanted to proceed to court to get a court order to compel DNA disclosure. For whatever reason, the higher-ups in the FBI shut down the investigation. I don’t know if it was a cover-up, or simple incompetence, red tape or something else.

Now the primary agency on the case is a local one, and I have a route to try to get the investigation is completed without dealing with the FBI.

AK WILKES QUOTE: Now the primary agency on the case is a local one, and I have a route to try to get the investigation is completed without dealing with the FBI.

First AK Wilkes – Godspeed with this venture!!!

I wanted to address a couple of things in regard to TK being the murderer of CJB. I personally believe that someone that knew CJB had to be her killer OR someone that was watching the library at the exact time that CJB drove up. The killer would have had to have a way to connect CJB’s car and CJB together. He’d almost have to know CJB and know what she drove or would have to see her drive up and get out of that car to be able to connect the two. Could TK have been waiting outside the library waiting for someone he wanted to kill and saw CJB drive up, get out of the car and go into the library …. then he disabled her car? Sure. Is it what happened? I have no idea. Was the person that didn’t show up at the RCC Library re-enactment TK? Perhaps.

Also – the poem …. I have never been in favor of the poem being from CJB’s killer but the Ardsma murder puts a new spin on that for me. If TK killed Ardsma … which I believe he did … then perhaps he frequented the RCC Library to scope out a victim – wrote the poem on the underside of that desk while waiting. When he saw CJB – his wait was over.

The issue I have here is that I think that if TK was in the RCC Library scoping out his victim …. someone would have noticed this and reported that they saw TK. Has anyone ever been asked if they did see TK in or near the library??

I can absolutely get on board with TK writing the Bates Had To Die letters. It feels like a bit further stretch for me that TK did the actual CJB murder. I’m torn even as I type this too. Because the murder itself ‘feels’ like something TK ‘felt’ like doing so badly!

Also …. that is SOOOOOO TK in that pic of the Tylenol Suspect. IMO!

I have a small kiddo and it is hard to ever find time to comment on these very interesting threads! But I am always reading and thinking! This board is going to figure out a way to crack all these unsolved cases – I can just feel it!

margie

AK – no worries!….my words only and my subjetive beliefs on TK association (with CJB) which i believe is virtually zero….no need to even go into gaik (with consideration to CJB) as i dont see any plausible link between the 2..albany is another matter but i am still somewhat leery of the albany link into D Ferrin…like any frustrated investigator over time pieces unknown are placed in the process to make things fit…your work i respect..nothing implies anything on your part or mine…Yes i think TK is responsible for VP…lombard is centralized in the western burbs and everything you would have ever needed is an easy drive…gaik only rears his ugly head as the need to get somebody in the immediate area as a suspect was needed…KQ is another example as is Ross…too long a time has passed and it is logical case direction would have turned to anybody in the immediate area who could fit a certain profile….we need something concrete…40 years has passed since i began to follow this case…i figured a family member would have found or located something that ties his/her dear cousin/uncle to the z…nothing of any value has surfaced except for t garbage (in reference to my dear daddy was the z book deal seekers)..we need a break in these cases…dont seem that is ever to happen

ted couldn’t have been the zodiac. totally different kind of serial killer. Z is a thrill killer with hatred of women and couples and likes to get up close and personal. Ted is a mission oriented serial killer who kills from afar with bombs and whos victims are totally different.
all the circumstantial evidence and apparent similarities is superfluous.

different victimology
different motivation
different weapon
different serial killer type

totally different animal.

What you stated is the common perception of Ted K, and I would say the common misperception of Ted K. Here are the documented facts. Keep in mind that three of the four confirmed Zodiac attacks are on male – female couples. Two of these attacks are in known "lovers lanes", isolated spots where couples would park for sex, and one was on a couple on a blanket by a lake.

In the late summer of 1966, most likely late August/early September 1966, in his journal Ted Kaczynski records a break through moment in his life. He is a genius, yet socially alienated and isolated. A graduate student at the University of Michigan, his room is next to rooms occupied by the players on the U of M hockey team. He describes hearing loud parties with a lot of drinking and yelling. Ted has a lifelong over sensitivity to loud noises. He also describes frequently hearing the sound of couples having sex in the apartment next door to his, and he reports being driven "mad" by these sounds and says it fills him with frustration and anger. Out of despair and self described "acute sexual starvation", he records in his journal that instead of killing himself he will "really kill everyone I hate."

The people he says he hates and wants to kill are many, but they include two distinct groups. One group is what he calls "bigshots" or "government officials", and these include "scientists", "big businessmen", "politicians" and "police".

The other group of people he hated and wanted to kill included love making "couples", "rowdy college students" and those college men and especially women he deems "promiscuous", who are nothing but "animals" and "pigs". Look at the government psychiatric report on Kaczynski done after he was arrested for the Unabomber crimes:

In the summer after his fourth year [of graduate school, the summer of 1966], he describes experiencing a period of several weeks where he was sexually excited nearly all the time and was fantasizing himself as a woman and being unable to obtain any sexual relief. He decided to make an effort to have a sex change operation. When he returned to the University of Michigan [most likely in late August or early September 1966] he made an appointment to see a psychiatrist to be examined to determine if the sex change would be good for him. He claimed that by putting on an act he could con the psychiatrist into thinking him suitable for a feminine role even though his motive was exclusively erotic. As he was sitting in the waiting room, he turned completely against the idea of the operation and thus, when he saw the doctor, instead claimed he was depressed about the possibility of being drafted. He describes the following:

"As I walked away from the building afterwards, I felt disgusted about what my uncontrolled sexual cravings had almost led me to do and I felt humiliated, and I violently hated the psychiatrist. Just then there came a major turning point in my life. Like a Phoenix, I burst from the ashes of my despair to a glorious new hope. I thought I wanted to kill that psychiatrist because the future looked utterly empty to me. I felt I wouldn’t care if I died. And so I said to myself why not really kill the psychiatrist and anyone else whom I hate. What is important is not the words that ran through my mind but the way I felt about them. What was entirely new was the fact that I really felt I could kill someone. My very hopelessness had liberated me because I no longer cared about death. I no longer cared about consequences and I said to myself that I really could break out of my rut in life an do things that were daring, irresponsible or criminal." [Psych Report] {Emphasis added}

That happened sometime in the summer of 1966, most likely in late August/early September 1966. About two and a half weeks later, minutes away from the area of the Kaczynski family home, the suburban Chicago mansion of high tech business CEO and politician Charles Percy is invaded and his college student daughter Valerie is killed by a brutal hammer and knife attack. Hours away in Suburban Cincinnati, on September 27, 1966, Monsanto chemical engineer Gerry Bricca, his wife and daughter are bound and killed in a knife attack. Based on information I provided them, the Zodiac and Ted Kaczynski are Persons of Interest in the unsolved crime, and the police officially announced that the Zodiac Killer was a suspect in a press release they issued.

On October 30, 1966, when evidence shows Ted Kaczynski is in California for a job interview, the first probable Zodiac crime, the knife murder of college student Cheri Jo Bates occurs outside of a college library, within one day of a major fall holiday. By virtue of a witness picking him out of a photo lineup, Ted Kaczynski is placed at the scene of a college library knife murder that occurred within one day of a major fall holiday in November 1969.

His first confirmed Unabomber crime was in 1978, when he was 36 years old. Yet we know from research that the most active and violent period for the majority of serial killers is from their late teens to late twenties. And we see that Kaczynski reports the motivation, desire and ability to kill at least as early as the late summer of 1966, when he was 24 years old.

In 1971, Ted records that he has already "violently rebelled" against society. In the journal that records his Unabomber crimes, including murders done by bombs, in light of the fact that some in the radical environmental, anti – technology and primitivist anarchist movements are regarding the Unabomber attacks against corporations as heroic, he reports that accounts of other unspecified crimes have been "buried" or "burned", because their revelation to the public would be "dangerous", "embarrassing" or "just very bad public relations at this point in time".

Hi AK
Thanks! all very interesting to be sure but nonetheless nothing that directly implicates TK as the zodiac. some similarities yes, but overall totally different animals-not even close.

Here are the documented facts. Keep in mind that three of the four confirmed Zodiac attacks are on male – female couples. Two of these attacks are in known "lovers lanes", isolated spots where couples would park for sex, and one was on a couple on a blanket by a lake.

and single male cab driver. how does that jibe with TK hate of couples and the other group (the one he targeted)? It dosnt -not at all. But it totally jibes with a thrill killer like the zodiac was.

That happened sometime in the summer of 1966, most likely in late August/early September 1966. About two and a half weeks later, minutes away from the area of the Kaczynski family home, the suburban Chicago mansion of high tech business CEO and politician Charles Percy is invaded and his college student daughter Valerie is killed by a brutal hammer and knife attack. Hours away in Suburban Cincinnati, on September 27, 1966, Monsanto chemical engineer Gerry Bricca, his wife and daughter are bound and killed in a knife attack. Based on information I provided them, the Zodiac and Ted Kaczynski are Persons of Interest in the unsolved crime, and the police officially announced that the Zodiac Killer was a suspect in a press release they issued.

to think the zodiac wouldnt have written letters about these attacks beggers belief. were any of the women sexually assaulted?

On October 30, 1966, when evidence shows Ted Kaczynski is in California for a job interview, the first probable Zodiac crime, the knife murder of college student Cheri Jo Bates occurs outside of a college library, within one day of a major fall holiday.

job interview at Berkeley correct? near San francisco? CJB murdered hundreds of miles away in Riverside near LA. Now what would someone in SF for a job interview be doing in Riverside? and again NOTHING connects TK to her murder or Riverside.

His first confirmed Unabomber crime was in 1978, when he was 36 years old. Yet we know from research that the most active and violent period for the majority of serial killers is from their late teens to late twenties. And we see that Kaczynski reports the motivation, desire and ability to kill at least as early as the late summer of 1966, when he was 24 years old.

he reports that accounts of other unspecified crimes have been "buried" or "burned", because their revelation to the public would be "dangerous", "embarrassing" or "just very bad public relations at this point in time".

the Zodiac had almost as much pleasure and motivation in writing letters and taking credit for his crimes as he did the crimes himself. to think the zodiac (or TK for that matter )wouldnt take credit for any of their crimes with all the writing they did is just beyond reason IMHO.