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to me the boot with smaller sole is may be one way to explain the smaller boot size observed in the CJB homicide…i wonder too if maybe the hood had the Z symbol just taped on..easy to remove after the fact and no body would be none the wiser

 
Posted : October 24, 2014 6:44 am
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I wonder iF anyone could contact this guy to ask if there happened to be 6ft pieces of hollow thin tubing in the mix somewhere….also would like to know if there happened to be a hand forged hunting knife such as the one Z used in there. There appears to be two VERY thin bladed hand forged knives to the left of the mask…one with a black handle laying on top of an army green sheath and one dark red short handle.

where did you get info that the lb knife was hand-forged? the police reports indicate the handle may have been hand-made but otherwise note it appeared to be a standard bread knife. from ncsd crime report, page 13: "Knife description: 12" bread knife, 3/4" wide, hardwood handle, 2 brass rivets, cotton surgical tape wrapped 1" around handle." the ncsd crime report, page 2 states "the knife had a handle and appeared to be homemade" but i took that to mean the handle appeared to be homemade.

 
Posted : October 24, 2014 4:29 pm
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I wonder iF anyone could contact this guy to ask if there happened to be 6ft pieces of hollow thin tubing in the mix somewhere….also would like to know if there happened to be a hand forged hunting knife such as the one Z used in there. There appears to be two VERY thin bladed hand forged knives to the left of the mask…one with a black handle laying on top of an army green sheath and one dark red short handle.

where did you get info that the lb knife was hand-forged? the police reports indicate the handle may have been hand-made but otherwise note it appeared to be a standard bread knife. from ncsd crime report, page 13: "Knife description: 12" bread knife, 3/4" wide, hardwood handle, 2 brass rivets, cotton surgical tape wrapped 1" around handle." the ncsd crime report, page 2 states "the knife had a handle and appeared to be homemade" but i took that to mean the handle appeared to be homemade.

I didn’t mean that the knife Z used was hand forged, I meant if there was a hunting knife that resembled Z’s in the collection that was hand forged. TK made a lot of his own tools, and a hand forged knife is not that hard to make…I have made a few myself over the years. The knives in that picture look very thin bladed, and typically, unless it is a skinning knife, a "hunting knife" is not very thin bladed. I have a long history of collecting/making custom knives and knowing steels and makes of blades, etc… so I am just connecting some points in my head that seem logical to me.

 
Posted : October 24, 2014 5:37 pm
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I wonder iF anyone could contact this guy to ask if there happened to be 6ft pieces of hollow thin tubing in the mix somewhere….also would like to know if there happened to be a hand forged hunting knife such as the one Z used in there. There appears to be two VERY thin bladed hand forged knives to the left of the mask…one with a black handle laying on top of an army green sheath and one dark red short handle.

where did you get info that the lb knife was hand-forged? the police reports indicate the handle may have been hand-made but otherwise note it appeared to be a standard bread knife. from ncsd crime report, page 13: "Knife description: 12" bread knife, 3/4" wide, hardwood handle, 2 brass rivets, cotton surgical tape wrapped 1" around handle." the ncsd crime report, page 2 states "the knife had a handle and appeared to be homemade" but i took that to mean the handle appeared to be homemade.

I didn’t mean that the knife Z used was hand forged, I meant if there was a hunting knife that resembled Z’s in the collection that was hand forged. TK made a lot of his own tools, and a hand forged knife is not that hard to make…I have made a few myself over the years. The knives in that picture look very thin bladed, and typically, unless it is a skinning knife, a "hunting knife" is not very thin bladed. I have a long history of collecting/making custom knives and knowing steels and makes of blades, etc… so I am just connecting some points in my head that seem logical to me.

gotcha. sorry for the misunderstanding.

 
Posted : October 24, 2014 7:02 pm
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The auction picture makes it look like the hood is short in the front. But now we know that its the inner hood laying on top of the outer hood, which is long all the way around.

 
Posted : October 24, 2014 9:22 pm
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I asked Despot if he scored any of the journals or code books. He said he missed them by accident, and was angry because they sold for not much money.

I wish whoever bought them would scan them and make them available. It’d be interesting to see how his code works.

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : October 24, 2014 10:00 pm
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I asked Despot if he scored any of the journals or code books. He said he missed them by accident, and was angry because they sold for not much money.

I wish whoever bought them would scan them and make them available. It’d be interesting to see how his code works.

Could you ask Despot if he could photograph the bottom of the shoes and measure the length of the shoe in inches? Also, could he photograph the undermask from the front. I’d like to know if the seam was down the front.

 
Posted : October 24, 2014 10:19 pm
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I’ll let you contact him here: https://twitter.com/despotroast/

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : October 24, 2014 10:21 pm
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I’ll let you contact him here: https://twitter.com/despotroast/

Thanks!

 
Posted : October 24, 2014 11:13 pm
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http://thebookshopper.typepad.com/the_b … art-2.html

* Books found in Kaczynski’s cabin

Joseph Conrad, The Secret Agent, 1907 *
James Fenimore Cooper, The Deerslayer, 1823 *
Charles Dickens, A Tale of Two Cities, 1859 *
Fyodor Dostoevski, Brothers Karamazov, 1878 *
Thomas Hardy, Far from the Madding Crowd, 1874 *
Arthur Koestler, Darkness at Noon, 1941 *
Richard Lattimore, The Revelation of John, 1962 **
W. Somerset Maugham, Razor’s Edge, 1944 *
Alexandra Orme, Comes the Comrade!, 1949 *
George Orwell, 1984, 1949 *
Horacio Quiroga, The Decapitated Chicken and Other Stories, 1935 *
William Shakespeare, Merchant of Venice, 1596 *
John Steinbeck, Of Mice and Men, 1937 *
Leo Tolstoy, The Cossacks and The Raid, 1862 *
Don Armando Palacio Valdes, Maximina, 1888 *

Non-Fiction:
Allan R. Buss, Individual Differences: Traits and Factors, 1976 *
FC, Industrial Society & Its Future, 1995 *
Robert V. Daniels, Red October, The Bolshevik Revolution of 1917, 1967 **
L. Sprague De Camp, Ancient Engineers, 1960 *
Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society, 1964 *
H.J. Eysenck, Sense and Nonsense in Psychology, 1957 *
George W. Scotter & Halle Flygare, Wildflowers of the Canadian Rockies, 1986 **
Food and Nutrition Board, Recommended Dietary Allowances, 1974 *
Euell Gibbons, Handbook of Edible Wild Plants, 1979 *
Richard Gombin, The Radical Tradition, 1978*
Paul Goodman, Growing Up Absurd: Problems of Youth in the Organized System, 1956 *
Robert Gurr, Violence in America, Vol I & II, 1979, 1989 *
Osborne Russell & Aubrey L. Haines, Journal of a Trapper, 1965 *
Eric Hoffer, The True Believer, 1951 *
Henry Jacobwitz, Electronics Made Simple, 1958 *
Glen R. Johnson, Tracking Dog, 1975 *
Horace Kephart, Camping and Woodcraft, 1988 *
Irving Kohn, Meteorology for All, 1946 **
Tom McIver, Anti-Evolution: A Reader’s Guide to Writings Before and After Darwin, 1992 **
Arthur P. Mendel, ed., Essential Works of Marxism, 1961 *
Jules Michelet, History of the French Revolution, 1967 *
Jean Baker Miller, Toward a New Psychology of Women, 1976 *
National Rifle Association, The Basics of Rifle Shooting, 1987 *
M.H.A. Newman, Elements of the Topology of Plane Sets of Points, 1964 *
Evan Hendricks, Trudy Hayden, and Jack D. Novik, Your Right to Privacy, 1980 *
Betty Owen, Typing for Beginners, 1976 *
Anthony Gooch and Angela Garcia de Pareded, Spanish-English/English-Spanish Dictionary, 1978 *
Lila Pargment, Beginner’s Russian Reader, 1977 *
William H. Prescott, History of the Conquest of Mexico, 1843 *
David Riesman, Abundance for What?, 1964 *
Andrew Robinson, Lost Languages, 1957 *
J.W. Schultz, My Life as an Indian, 1935 *
Chandler S. Robbins, Bertel Brunn, Herbert S. Zim, & Arthur Singer, Field Guide to North American Birds, 1966 **
Albert Speer, Spandau: The Secret Diaries, 1976 *
Walter Starkie, Raggle-Taggle: Adventures with a Fiddle in Hungary, 1933 *
William Strunk, Jr., Elements of Style, 1959 *
Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi, 1883 *
United States Department of Justice, The Science of Fingerprints, 1973 *
William Whyte, The Organization Man, 1956 *

 
Posted : October 26, 2014 10:38 am
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The Science of Fingerprints, 1973, National Rifle Association, The Basics of Rifle Shooting, 1987 and Typing for Beginners, 1976

and would feel a lot better about TK as Z if those books had been dated early 1960’s…still he had that "hood"

 
Posted : October 26, 2014 5:46 pm
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Also a book on tracking dogs.

Keep in mind by 1996 Ted no doubt disposed of a lot of the books he had in the 1960’s.

One other book he did have was a copy of the Prose Edda the main hook of Norse mythology. Zodiac referencingNorse langauge in the SLA letter and using Norse runes. Kaczynski also spraypainted a Norse rune symbol at the campus of a target.

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Posted : October 26, 2014 9:34 pm
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Look at this photo closely. It appears he’s wearing black horn rimmed glasses. Also, he standing next to a ’66 Chevrolet Malibu which looks to be silver or possibly silver blue. ( Lake B sighting)

 
Posted : October 27, 2014 6:12 am
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Look at this photo closely. It appears he’s wearing black horn rimmed glasses. Also, he standing next to a ’66 Chevrolet Malibu which looks to be silver or possibly silver blue. ( Lake B sighting)

I never noticed that! I am away from my desktop computer maybe someone can do a photoshop blowup of the face and glasses if not I will do it tomorrow. His neighbor mentioned that Ted sometimes wore glasses he thought to protect his eyes from the elements but I have never seen a picture of a young Ted with black Z like glasses.

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Posted : October 27, 2014 7:00 pm
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Heh – looks like he’s wearing a mask to me – Zorro or Lone Ranger style.

I doubt much can be gleaned from simply resizing that particular image – I tried it just for kicks now and it’s just pixels galore, so to speak. You’d need to apply some kind of editing voodoo to it in order to make it sharper, I think.

Anyway, the one thing which would strike any casual observer is how lean he is. There’s no mistaking that guy for someone "beefy" or "husky".

It’s the same card which can be played out against several of the prominent suspects (as proposed by various researchers) in the Z case, including Ted K, Bruce Davis and Mr X: If certain witness descriptions are to be credited at all it is evident that Z was not a lean, mean killing machine. He was a somewhat heavy guy, whether that means overweight, husky or beefy – as per the impression he left with those who observed him.

It’s an important point, I think. Because regardless of what one thinks of the reliability of witnesses in general, the image of Z as a fairly big and bulky guy stems from several sources and has to be explained if we are to embrace a suspect who clearly was neither big nor bulky.

The latter isn’t impossible at all – and I personally have never given up on the idea that Z purposely dressed (as part of his disguise) in a way which could be deceiving. But Mageau observed a Z who wore nothing but a T-shirt. And he claims that the man was beefy – he even goes into specifics regarding this, and what he relates, taken at face value, does not fit any suspect who was clearly either scrawny or lean.

That’s just the way it is. If Mageau’s description (not all the different things he told various people over the years, in various settings, but what he told the cops immediately after the crime was committed) is somewhat on the money, it’s hard to explain away the – well – heaviness of the frame. The scrawny guy in the picture here, for instance, clearly does not fit that description – he’s nowhere near. That has to be taken into consideration, unless we are to disregard the witness testimonies on record altogether. It needs explaining, like I said.

 
Posted : October 27, 2014 11:35 pm
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