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bmichelle
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Yahoo News has an article out today saying they are going to release writings of Ted K through a series of articles. There are 14 pages of his hand writings available today on there. The pages are too large for my phone to upload. I thought maybe AK Wilks may want to tackle this. I will try to paste the link

Day 1
http://news.yahoo.com/letters-from-a-se … e-unabombe

Day 2
http://news.yahoo.com/falling-in-love-w … 40275.html

Third article
http://news.yahoo.com/the-unabomber-tak … 49030.html

The Best Mystery Is An Unsolved Mystery….

 
Posted : January 25, 2016 2:49 pm
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Thanks bmichelle, doranchak, Seagull, and others who alerted me to these letters. Yes if someone could upload them here that would be great.

Found by up2something, from the newly released letters:

Zodiac Killer: . I wish you a happy Christmas.
Ted Kaczynski: I wish you a happy Easter.

Best regards, Ted
(Below there is large) Z

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Posted : January 27, 2016 11:45 pm
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AK these came out huge which might be good for some purposes but over all rather annoying. I will email you the individual pages and maybe you know how to shrink them so they are more readable.

www.santarosahitchhikermurders.com

 
Posted : January 28, 2016 1:37 am
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Yahoo News has uploaded 5 PDFs to Scribd. I’ve downloaded them and shared them here:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id= … sp=sharing

Google Drive has a pretty decent PDF browser – simply click on the file and you’ll see a preview of the pages. Then click the down-arrow icon if you want to get a copy of the original PDF.

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : January 28, 2016 5:05 pm
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Found by up2something, from the newly released letters:

Zodiac Killer: . I wish you a happy Christmas.
Ted Kaczynski: Meanwhile, I wish you a happy Easter.


Found by Kite, from the newly released letters:

Ted Kaczynski:Meanwhile, I wish you a happy Easter
Zodiac Killer..:Meanwhile, cancel the Count Marco column.

Kite: Written just like that, with a capital M on a sentence-opening "Meanwhile," and then a comma.

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Posted : February 1, 2016 7:50 pm
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Yeah, but that’s not uncommon, AK. People often write,’Meanwhile,’ or ‘However,’. It does show a good command of English, though; but spelling Christmas as Christmass doesn’t.

"If, after I depart this vale, you ever remember me and have thought to please my ghost, forgive some sinner and wink your eye at some homely girl."

 
Posted : February 1, 2016 11:41 pm
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Valid point. Yes other people say "I wish you a happy" and start a sentence "Meanwhile,". Also both the lower case "L" ‘s in "meanwhile" have a slight hockey stick quality, a slight curl at the end.

But it’s not about one or two shared words or phrases like "I wish you a happy" or starting a sentence with "Meanwhile, ".

Go to the first page of this thread and read on. It’s about this being added to the more than 50 examples of ZK/TK shared words and phrases like around in the snow, contrary to what police say, information only I and the police know, Deplorable, trigger mechanism, goes bang, watched from cover, rather messy, etc., etc., etc. Plus shared misspellings like ZK Dangeroue , TK Yesterdae, etc. Plus the amazing handwriting matches.

No other suspect or POI has been shown to have several words and phrases matches, let alone anywhere near 20. And here we have over 50, and it grows each time new TK letters are released. Not to mention TK is the only named suspect who is a serial killer, code creator, bomb designer and wrote to newspapers demanding his words appear on the front page or innocents would die. But to each his own. I am frustrated with the case. I really don’t care anymore.

Found by up2something, from the newly released letters:

Zodiac Killer: . I wish you a happy Christmas.
Ted Kaczynski: I wish you a happy Easter.


Found by Kite, from the newly released letters:

Ted Kaczynski:Meanwhile, I wish you a happy Easter
Zodiac Killer..:Meanwhile, cancel the Count Marco column.

Kite: Written just like that, with a capital M on a sentence-opening "Meanwhile," and then a comma.

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Posted : February 2, 2016 12:00 am
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AK Wilks, I understand your frustration that nobody is interested in TK as the Z. I think the average person is only interested in a serial killer to the extent that he may still be walking around killing people. When they find out TK is locked up for life without parole, they lose interest. Some of the LE community are also in this category. But that doesn’t explain why the Zodiac buffs aren’t interested. I’ve been attacked very ferociously after bringing him up as a suspect on a couple sites.

 
Posted : February 2, 2016 2:04 pm
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AK Wilks, I understand your frustration that nobody is interested in TK as the Z. I think the average person is only interested in a serial killer to the extent that he may still be walking around killing people. When they find out TK is locked up for life without parole, they lose interest. Some of the LE community are also in this category. But that doesn’t explain why the Zodiac buffs aren’t interested. I’ve been attacked very ferociously after bringing him up as a suspect on a couple sites.

Well I wouldn’t say nobody is interested in the TK as Z theory. Doug Oswell, author of the excellent book The Unabomber and The Zodiac, runs a website focused on the theory, http://www.unazod.com , which has a great message board http://unazod.com/phpBB/index.php , with 40 members. For anyone really interested in the evidence showing TK as Zodiac and the Tylenol Killer, I would advise joining. And here at ZKS at any given time there are around 7 to 15 members who have some interest in TK and sometimes post on TK threads. People like AweShucks, Luke, Linda, Jem, Ricardo, Drew and others. And some people who do not have a particular focus on TK as a suspect, like Seagull, Tahoe, Quicktrader, Doranchak, up2something and others, have contributed some very good information, research and ideas on TK. People come and go, some lose interest in the Z case. Some get frustrated with the authorities lack of action on TK, for whatever reasons, and stopped being very active in research and posting. On the other hand some new members have joined who have contributed some great research and ideas on TK, like Darla Jones, Marclean, EnoOfTheWorld and a few more.

But yes, overall, TK as Z has not made major inroads into the larger Z message board world. One the one hand it baffles me, because Ted is the ONLY named suspect who is 1) a known proven serial killer 2) designed, built and used bombs 3) created complex codes that the FBI could not break 4) wrote to newspapers demanding his words appear on the front page or innocents would die 5) had a connection to Deer Lodge, MT 6) used over 50 words and phrases that the Zodiac did 7) has handwriting with 3 stroke "K" ‘s, 5 stroke "M" ‘s, checkmark "r" ‘s, and is overall virtually indistinguishable from Zodiac’s, as Marclean’s recent work shows 7) looks like the SF sketch 8) was in north CA at the time and has no timeline conflicts 9) had an interest in guns and hunting 10) drew crossed lines inside a circle at a crime scene. Etc., etc.

But on the other hand I now accept that Ted is just not the Z suspect most people are looking for. I think it is partially for the reason you identify, he is a known figure and is locked up. I think most people want to investigate an unknown person, they want a movie ending were Zodiac is revealed as …what? The boy next door? The reclusive neighbor? Somebody who knew some of the victims, or lived in Riverside and/or Vallejo? I don’t know. I give up.

I’ve told some people here privately that I got my first ( non-crime) article published, and other things are happening in my writing career that seem promising. So there are a few ongoing TK and Z FOIA projects I am going to finish, then probably announce my semi-retirement from the Zodiac hunt. Overall I have just not been successful in getting a lot of people in the Z world interested in TK, or the authorities to follow through on concrete action, so it is probably close to time to give up and concentrate on areas I have had more success in, and are less frustrating and more rewarding.

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Thanks to SEAGULL for passing along these documents to me. A lot of good printing from Ted here, so it is very well suited for handwriting comparisons to Zodiac. I will have all the pages posted later, and make some comparisons to Z handwriting. But right off from the start, a bird that flies near the ocean noticed that Kaczynski’s description at top of page 5, sixth line down, of wasting time "hew and haw and fiddle around" is very similar to Zodiac’s description of the police wasting time "fiddle and fart around " in LA Times letter!

So both Zodiac and Ted Kaczynski describe wasting time as "fiddle around".

That is interesting in and of itself, but even more so when considered along with the dozens and dozens of other word and phrase matches, like "around in the snow", "contrary to what police say", "deplorable", "rather messy", etc, and the handwriting matches like three stroke "K" ‘s, five stroke "M" ‘s, etc. See them all starting here: http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtop … =102&t=250


Found by up2something, from the newly released letters:

Zodiac Killer: . I wish you a happy Christmas.
Ted Kaczynski: I wish you a happy Easter.


Found by Kite, from the newly released letters:

Ted Kaczynski:Meanwhile, I wish you a happy Easter
Zodiac Killer..:Meanwhile, cancel the Count Marco column.

Kite: Written just like that, with a capital M on a sentence-opening "Meanwhile," and then a comma.

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Thanks to MARCLEAN who did some amazing work showing the incredible similarity between Zodiac handwriting and Kaczynski handwriting.

OK !!! Mr. Ak Willks !!! ;)
I’m looking at various correspondences the Unabomber (MF ), and I will try to "build" an entire letter from ZKMF to see what the outcome.
Marcelo

AK Wilks: Wow great idea, look forward to seeing it.

I resized your work so people can see all of it in one image.

The top part of the following image, the Zodiac letter and Kaczynski application comparison, was done by AweShucks. The new excellent work at the bottom, with the Zodiac car door, Zodiac and Kaczynski word comparisons, was done by Marclean.

Marclean: I did some "play" with paint, in fact the similarity in spelling [handwriting, word formation, spacing – AK Wilks] is giant.
It is one of the POI (my) favorite
Marcelo :)

Marclean: Thanks Mr Ak . :)
Hello .
Started today, I had taken a few days to complete.
But, I was horrified with the beginning, leaving me with it and excited to continue.
I am using the following criteria:
1- Do not force letters that are more similar.
2-Use words or whole or partial to better reliability.

share this post an image link "draft", because in fact, it’s worth it (in my opinion).

I repeat.
It is frightening resemblance, so I think it’s worth me finish this
It is also frightening that do not have the authorities have done DNA testing with Kazinski.
Marcelo

"Base Letter" Una . :

"Zodiac Letter

"The construction Draft Z-Una"

ps:I will take a few weeks, for three reasons.
Try to be precise, something about the Z I have done and lack of time.
But I will definitely finish this. ;)

Marclean: Hello. :D

I figured it would take longer, but I managed, after get the hang of doing this in a few hours.
It is not accurate, but I did the best I could.
below are links of the letters "matrix" Ted K. of which "took" the "stuff" to construct the similar letter to ZMF. (images below mentioned links)
happiness to all.
Marcelo ;)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/750×970/documents/0812081unabomber1.gif
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/750×970/documents/0812081unabomber2.gif
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/750×970/documents/0812081unabomber3.gif


Marclean: As always, I made this little game with the letters in "caps Lk" letters" TK.
(I had thought of that when I made the anagram, but only now had time)
I reiterate, the resemblance is giant with ZMF is huge.
Marcelo :)

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/750×970/documents/0812081unabomber1.gif

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Posted : February 2, 2016 11:04 pm
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If it matters at all – I am thoroughly convinced that no one BUT TK could have been Z. The pool of people that could have spaced their words the same as Z, written phrases like Z, written to the same papers and demanded the same things as Z, LOOKED exactly like the Z composite from the Stine murder (IMO), AND (as if those things are not enough) created the ‘overlay’ or ‘JK Fry" code (which I am 100% on board with as well) is a very shallow baby pool with perhaps only a scant handful of people sitting in the 3 inches of water in their Speedos. (What??)

I could go on for hours about why I believe that TK was Z. I do believe that when TK made the switch to his Unabomber persona that he ‘destroyed’ any Z evidence that he felt would tie him directly to the crimes. I think that we have enough of his writings and code work to piece it together though. I think that has already been accomplished in fact. Perhaps one day the FBI will find that one sliver of paper from his cabin that talks about his days as Z … buried in another code or book or some blood on the bottom of a shoe that he wore to a crime scene.

TK did give us the information in the JK Fry theory (IMO) and that is all being worked out now by Mr. Clemons (sp). For me though … I don’t need any more proof.

Above statements are all IMO!

 
Posted : February 3, 2016 7:09 am
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How did tk abbreviate friday was it fry or fri???….i seem to remember a letter where friday was abbreviated as "fry"

 
Posted : February 3, 2016 7:49 am
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I read somewhere that the relevant years of his journal—that is, the Zodiac active years—were either not released or not found. Is this true?

 
Posted : February 3, 2016 8:35 am
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I read somewhere that the relevant years of his journal—that is, the Zodiac active years—were either not released or not found. Is this true?

That is true. Another member here made contact with the Kaczynski archive at U of M, and if he can’t get some copies sent, I may go there in person. Yes I would like to read his no doubt sanitized journal entries for 1968-1970, if they are at the archive. They did recover a lot of Ted’s journals, in which he describes all of his Unabomber crimes. As the Unabomber Ted was now gaining some approval for his actions in the radical environmentalist and primitivist anarchist movements and press. But in those same journals he says journals that contain descriptions of unspecified "other" crimes have been "burned or buried", because their revelations would prove "dangerous", "embarrassing" or "just very bad PR at this time." Certainly gunning down or stabbing teenagers and young adults in lovers lane type areas would not fit in with his growing fame as socially and politically motivated terrorist striking at the high tech and logging industries.

Thanks for your interest and support Margie, Snooter and all who have contributed to this and other "Ted threads." What is the JK Fry code? I don’t think I am familiar with it. Can you elaborate a little and/or give a link?

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Posted : February 3, 2016 11:04 pm
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"Fry" as friday is in the 7.31.69 letter to the chronicle..who abbreviates friday as fry??..well not me..just wondered if tk ever abbreviated friday this way…i have no knowledge of jkfry…as ak wrote please let us know

 
Posted : February 4, 2016 1:07 am
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The JK Fry theory was introduced to this forum here-

viewtopic.php?f=107&t=2382

It started out in the public section but then I moved it to the private suspects section after names of living people started showing up. There are links to the original source of the theory in the thread.

www.santarosahitchhikermurders.com

 
Posted : February 4, 2016 1:18 am
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