OK thanks. Yeah I missed that stuff. I think Margie’s point may have been that there are very few minds that can create something as complex and multi-spacial as codes involving overlays of maps, drawings and words, and Ted is one of those very few minds. And of the named suspects, the only one. Probably true.

The JK FRY overlay theory is interesting. And at a quick glance a few things do seem to match up in an odd way. But I have never been much interested in those types of theories because I never see anything convincing me that Z gave clues that this is what we are supposed to do and if you overlay any map, drawing and words, by chance and the pattern seeking human mind, some interesting formations will seem to happen.

I would say looking at the 340 and Ted’s codes, there are several interesting points of similarity. And IMO none of the named major suspects have the demonstrated interest, knowledge and skills to create the Zodiac 340 except Kaczynski and Penn. And when you add the further criteria of looking like the sketch and a proven desire and ability to make bombs and kill strangers in furtherance of a personal cause or need, you are left only with Kaczynski.

And IMO none of the named major suspects have the demonstrated interest, knowledge and skills to create the Zodiac 340 except Kaczynski and Penn. And when you add the further criteria of looking like the sketch and a proven desire and ability to make bombs and kill strangers in furtherance of a personal cause or need, you are left only with Kaczynski.

That might be the case, but unless we assume that Z lies hidden somewhere among the high profile suspects (as treated by us, mainly, the Zodiac buffs and amateurs), that doesn’t mean very much. Personally I think there’s a decent chance that Z is a known suspect, but in the sense that he may be among the hundreds (or thousands) of people who were considered interesting enough to interview and investigate during the course of the case. I’m willing to bet a substantial amount that there are multiple people in that category who possessed the necessary skill to create the 340.

Plus: The sketch is debatable. Many would claim Ted doesn’t resemble it, others would say other candidates are better matches – others again would say the sketch is largely pointless other than indicating nigh-generic traits.

And: It’s debatable whether Z had either a proven desire or an actual ability to make bombs. To kill strangers in furtherance of a personal cause or need? Absolutely – no argument there. But a desire to make bombs is debatable. I think he had a desire to scare people – and cause panic. Which he did, without ever having to worry about actually constructing a functional bomb (and according to several people who know far more than me about explosives, he didn’t either).

The JK FRY overlay theory is interesting. And at a quick glance a few things do seem to match up in an odd way. But I have never been much interested in those types of theories because I never see anything convincing me that Z gave clues that this is what we are supposed to do and if you overlay any map, drawing and words, by chance and the pattern seeking human mind, some interesting formations will seem to happen.

Agreed – 100%. It’s the basic problem with all theories of this sort: They presuppose that the theorist has managed to guess what Z’s true intention was. Step 1: Come up with an intention (usually that Z wanted us to discover his name in various hidden shapes and forms throughout the evidence – and frequently far beyond the evidence too). Step 2: Come up with a specific method he used to encrypt his communications, one which doesn’t follow logically from any known evidence, but one the theorist has divined is the correct one. 3: Go look for confirmation of 1 and 2 in anything remotely related to the Z case. 4: Claim that it can’t possibly be a coincidence that you have extracted "daddy was da zod" from the material.

Wesley and others. Keep in mind that as the Unabomber Ted was writing for an audience about what were important issues to him. Most of the later Unabomber writing is in a fairly dry, academic style.

Yet Ted could write in a cruder style more like Zodiac. Go to page one of this thread and look at the shared words and phrases of Zodiac and Ted.

They include nasty, fat ass, Bang!, etc., etc.

This article shows letters previously posted in this thread but the similarities are amazing. He uses hyphens between words like in the red phantom letter and long lines to separate paragraphs like in the bomb letter. But has anyone seen the last letter? It’s a Halloween card that has a symbol and on the inside that says hope you have a blast? Has anyone confirmed if this is real?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-unabombe … 59693.html

This article shows letters previously posted in this thread but the similarities are amazing. He uses hyphens between words like in the red phantom letter and long lines to separate paragraphs like in the bomb letter. But has anyone seen the last letter? It’s a Halloween card that has a symbol and on the inside that says hope you have a blast? Has anyone confirmed if this is real?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-unabombe … 59693.html

It is real. It’s from the Wingnut Anarchist Collective in Richmond, Virginia. I contacted the former leader earlier this year and she remembers when they sent it but had no idea it had been put in an archive.

And apparently the poem carved on the desk, related to the Cherri Jo Bates murder, contains the sentence "sick of living, unwilling to die".
This appears to be a quote from the Earl of Clarendon, author of a History of Rebellion. We know TK, as an anarchist, was extremely well read on the history of revolutions, rebellions and civil wars and books on such topics were found in his cabin.https://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-news/august-23rd-2016
Also, Cipher 408 produces a match with the text from a book called "The life of Edward, Earl of Clarendon, lord high chancellor of England: Volume 2”
http://www.zodiackillerciphers.com/?p=144

I agree with you that the Zodiac picking this card which has a tree in it is yet another instance of Zodiac making reference to wood and nature themes in his crimes. For example, the Stine crime was committed at Maple and Cherry, two types of trees, to the "Peek through the Pines" card that zodiac sent impossible reference to Donna Lass, the crimes committed near water or near water named streets and cities, and many other examples.

But the things you noticed in particular on that tree are common features of many trees. And I’m under the impression that the Halloween card drawing of a tree was part of the commercially manufactured card. Zodiac then wrote additional eyes and other things on the card, but I thought, and I could be wrong, that the tree was part of the commercially mass-produced card.

but I thought, and I could be wrong, that the tree was part of the commercially mass-produced card.

I haven’t been able to find where anybody has proven it was mass produced. Do you have any links? I have seen cards that have similar wording but not an exact version of the Halloween card graphics (aside from the obvious modifications Z made). I’m interested to hear from the people that have looked into this in depth if they believe it was handmade. Also if they have found any more information about it.

I would go to the confirmed letters section and the Halloween Card area and request that someone post the original Halloween card as it was offered for sale.

one also has to wonder how big and what did that tree look like 48 years ago.

but I thought, and I could be wrong, that the tree was part of the commercially mass-produced card.

I haven’t been able to find where anybody has proven it was mass produced. Do you have any links? I have seen cards that have similar wording but not an exact version of the Halloween card graphics (aside from the obvious modifications Z made). I’m interested to hear from the people that have looked into this in depth if they believe it was handmade. Also if they have found any more information about it.

I’ve been trying to find the original card for a long time now, and continue to fail. Has anyone ever been able to get another of the same card? As far as I can tell, no one has been able to.

I also tried to locate the original die cut skeleton that he presumably pasted inside the card. I failed on that front as well: viewtopic.php?f=63&t=2899

I would go to the confirmed letters section and the Halloween Card area and request that someone post the original Halloween card as it was offered for sale.

Do you have a link to the offer? I can’t find any evidence that anyone has ever had one of the original cards.

I don’t know if anyone ever obtained the original card. I was suggesting making a request in the Halloween card section and asking if anyone had the original card or information about it to post it.

Looking at the card, IMO it seems that the wood part is part of the mass-produced card, and Zodiac drew eyes and other features on it.

Here’s a picture of the outside of the original card.

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtop … =63&t=2899

I couldn’t find a picture of the inside. This is sort of a reconstruction.

http://340cipherhalloweencardconnection … oween.html

Thanks for posting that McQueen and thanks for your work on this Doranchak.

With the Halloween card, some other mailings and activities, Zodiac revealed some interest and ability in art, design and crafting things. Ted K had some interest and ability in handmade arts and crafts, design and drawing.

Zodiac Halloween Card. beneath it is artwork by Ted Kaczynski, done when he was a teen, and a black raven carved in wood, done by Ted when he was an adult.

Ted, like Zodiac, also created by hand a black hood with rectangular eye slits and a flat top, and devised a way to attach a flashlight to the barrel of a gun to shoot at night.

And just as Zodiac drew crossed lines inside a circle at a crime scene and added writings with it claiming credit for previous crimes, Kaczynski also drew crossed lines inside a circle at a crime scene and added writings with it claiming credit for previous crimes.

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