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Norse
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Hm…I wouldn’t be surprised if Stewart was a member of one or more message boards at some point, that seems to be a common trait for people who have written books on the subject.

But does he actually attempt to push the Avery angle, as in "Avery thought my dad was Zodiac too…"? If not, that would seem like an oversight. If I were him, I’d certainly use that as a selling point, given how speculative the whole thing is to begin with.

 
Posted : September 5, 2014 9:14 pm
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The cipher claims in the book are nonsense. Read my detailed analysis here:

http://www.zodiackillerciphers.com/?p=573

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : September 11, 2014 12:52 am
Paul_Averly
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I don’t even like to mention anything about Earl Van Whoever because the claims are so stupid and false.

But I saw on KTVU that some publicist conned the local news into a story about how he (the publicist) met the Zodiac in a bar and it was Earl Van 0%-chance-man.

The local news will pretty much believe anything you tell them.

 
Posted : January 24, 2015 6:30 am
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I don’t even like to mention anything about Earl Van Whoever because the claims are so stupid and false.

But I saw on KTVU that some publicist conned the local news into a story about how he (the publicist) met the Zodiac in a bar and it was Earl Van 0%-chance-man.

The local news will pretty much believe anything you tell them.

I saw the same thing. I think, in the yellow book(can’t remember now),there’s a mention of this Zodiac/Napa Diner thing. I recall that a Guy was there to film a news story or something about the Z case or some such thing, and a Guy came up to him and said something like, "are you here to do a story about me?". The man alerted police but they could not locate the person who asked that question. As I said, I am not 100% certain where I heard or read this, but I know for certain, I did come across it before.

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Posted : January 24, 2015 6:24 pm
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Here’s the info:

http://abc7news.com/news/new-theory-sur … er/488943/

As I recall, the conversation in the diner did not go the same way as it does in this article, but I have no doubt that the incident has been mentioned before

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Posted : January 24, 2015 6:26 pm
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Chris Harris the publicist. Christopher Harris the publicist is on page 132 of RG’s book. He was the publicist for that phony psychic DeLouise, who tried to shake down SFPD for some money in 1970. According to Butterfield he also spoke to Darlene’s mother and after that she started that talk about Darlene predicting her own death–the "premonition."

Needless to say, any uncorroborated hearsay from the mouth of Mr. Harris (if this is the same person) purporting to have heard EVB utter an incredibly unbelievable and unlikely phrase is beyond useless.

Mike

Mike Rodelli

Author, The Hunt for Zodiac; 3.9 stars on Amazon and
In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer, a second edition in print format. 4.3 Amazon stars and great Editorial reviews. Twitter:@mikerodelli

 
Posted : January 25, 2015 7:31 am
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Chris Harris the publicist. Christopher Harris the publicist is on page 132 of RG’s book. He was the publicist for that phony psychic DeLouise, who tried to shake down SFPD for some money in 1970. According to Butterfield he also spoke to Darlene’s mother and after that she started that talk about Darlene predicting her own death–the "premonition."

Needless to say, any uncorroborated hearsay from the mouth of Mr. Harris (if this is the same person) purporting to have heard EVB utter an incredibly unbelievable and unlikely phrase is beyond useless.

Mike

That’s it, Harris was the Guy that supposedly had a run-in with Z possibly in the Napa diner, but from his account, he never said the man was Van Best

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Posted : January 25, 2015 9:58 am
morf13
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Chris Harris the publicist. Christopher Harris the publicist is on page 132 of RG’s book. He was the publicist for that phony psychic DeLouise, who tried to shake down SFPD for some money in 1970. According to Butterfield he also spoke to Darlene’s mother and after that she started that talk about Darlene predicting her own death–the "premonition."

Needless to say, any uncorroborated hearsay from the mouth of Mr. Harris (if this is the same person) purporting to have heard EVB utter an incredibly unbelievable and unlikely phrase is beyond useless.

Mike

That’s it, Harris was the Guy that supposedly had a run-in with Z possibly in the Napa diner, but from his account, he never said the man was Van Best

Here it is,In July, 2014, Chris Harris posted this on Chris Y’s site, zodiackillertruth.com

"Dear Friends,
Yes I am still alive. I was young and fearless in those days of hoping to catch the Zodiac Killer. I remember the morning I was waiting to meet Under Sheriff Tom Johnson of Napa, I was having breakfast directly across from where I was to meet Sheriff Johnson. A man walked into the diner. He said hello and then rocked my world when he said "Are you Chris Harris?" I hesitated for a brief moment. Time seemed to slow down and the man behind the counter in the diner disappeared. The man who asked for my name said he knew I was after the Zodiac Killer. He then said "Do you have any idea what it must be like to awake each morning, knowing you have to outsmart the police and the press? He started to cry. Needless to say I was freaking out. He stared right through me. He suddenly moved closer to me. It was like one of those old Mafia films where the people in the restaurant disappear and the guns arrive and start shooting. I ask for the man’s name. He only gave me his first name as "Ben." He would not state his last name. When I ask a second time, he said "you really don’t need that." I wanted to run out the diner. The man who kept asking me if I wanted a second cup of coffee, did not appear. "Ben" ask why I was so interested in solving the Zodiac Killings. I said "I represent a documentary film company." Actually I represented Joseph DeLouise the psychic. I was afraid to state psychic. Ben soon corrected me, he stated your lying "you represent that psychic." I was now ready to run to the bathroom. Ben seemed irritated and was taking the whole matter involving the Zodiac, very personal. Ben stood up and gave me a very threatening look. At that moment I said "well I think I had better run." I sincerely meant RUN. Ben did not say goodbye, he turned and walked out the diner. I went directly to Sheriff Tom Johnson across the street. I told him about the incident and believed I may have met the Zodiac Killer. Johnson told me he was going to put an all points bulletin out. I actually don’t know if he ever did that. I was considered to be a major problem at that time. I was always asking questions. I was convinced early on that law enforcement had made many mistakes, mainly in the death of Darlene Ferrin. I still to this day stand by that charge. That charge being that in the ridiculous there are clues. Some individual with a web site declares I was wrong. I spent over a year involved with the Zodiac Killings. A cartoonist by the name of Robert Graysmith was always at my press conferences. In his book about the Zodiac he said people thought I was the Zodiac. They thought that because I was asking questions that the police were not asking and should have been asking. Graysmith did the best job he could do with his book. I know for a fact the late Joseph DeLouise gave Mr. Graysmith many of my notes and observations. What does it all mean? It means that law enforcement in Vallejo, Napa, and San Francisco did not share information. They were all overcome with ego to catch the Zodiac Killer and claim there victory. Perhaps if they had shared their data on a daily basis and left the press out of it, they might have reached a conclusion and apprehended the Zodiac Killer. Darlene Ferrin’s mother told me the story that Darlene told her and that was "you might read about me in the newspaper tomorrow," and she did. I still believe that Darlene’s death was a copycat murder made to appear as if it was Zodiac.
Respectfully,
Chris Harris
chrisharrispr.com
"

Here’s the link to his site:
http://zodiackillertruth.forumchitchat. … 6?trail=30

Not once did he mention the Name, EARL VAN BEST, he only mentions, Z’s name may have been ‘BEN’, and I think he posted this AFTER the book about VAN BEST was out.

Notice I outlined in red what Harris claims the man told him- "Do you have any idea what it must be like to awake each morning, knowing you have to outsmart the police and the press?"

That sounds much different from the version he’s telling now about the man telling him, "do you know what it’s like to have to kill"

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Posted : January 25, 2015 10:03 am
Tahoe27
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Cool. He answered my question.

Good catch in regards to your last statement morf.

Odd he would say Darlene’s death was a copy-cat made to look like Zodiac. Zodiac wasn’t Zodiac until after BRS so what Zodiac did he copy?


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : January 25, 2015 10:15 am
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Just sent Chris Harris a message from Chris Y’s site, and invited him to www.ZodiacKillerSite.com to hopefully answer a few Zodiac questions and tell us about his research.

Zam*

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Posted : January 25, 2015 11:31 am
Zamantha
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Just sent Chris Harris a message from Chris Y’s site, and invited him to http://www.ZodiacKillerSite.com to hopefully answer a few Zodiac questions and tell us about his research.

Zam*

So far, no reply! Sent Chris Harris a message via Chris Y’s site & email, so he must of received them.
Zam*

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Posted : January 29, 2015 6:51 am
Zamantha
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Just sent Chris Harris a message from Chris Y’s site, and invited him to http://www.ZodiacKillerSite.com to hopefully answer a few Zodiac questions and tell us about his research.

Zam*

So far, no reply! Sent Chris Harris a message via Chris Y’s site & email, so he must of received them.
Zam*

Well, no reply from Chris Harris. Guess he is avoiding the question. Sent him a message & an email.

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Posted : February 7, 2015 12:50 am
morf13
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This Guy is still the worst Z suspect

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Posted : April 22, 2015 4:37 pm
ZodiacRevisited
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The "worst Z suspect." That would be quite a competition! The Zodiac case has a very bad dynamic right now. If you say something sensational, e.g. my dad was the Zodiac, you can get substantive media attention. But, if you say something reasonable about the case, few people care. Therefore, we’re inundated with a never-ending succession of sensational claims, all of which serve to further diminish the public’s perception of the case.

The Zodiac Revisited, Volumes 1-3

 
Posted : April 23, 2015 2:33 am
morf13
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The "worst Z suspect." That would be quite a competition! The Zodiac case has a very bad dynamic right now. If you say something sensational, e.g. my dad was the Zodiac, you can get substantive media attention. But, if you say something reasonable about the case, few people care. Therefore, we’re inundated with a never-ending succession of sensational claims, all of which serve to further diminish the public’s perception of the case.

Good Points. I think the reason I call Van Best the worst, is because he, as a suspect, is misinforming the public, leading them to false facts and misinformation, and it’s doing it on a grander level since Stewart’s 15 minutes is still going on.

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Posted : April 23, 2015 3:08 am
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