Thank you, WoodenIgloo (and other posters as well), for taking the more scientific tack with respect to this case instead of indulging in numerology, Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon fantasizing, and magical thinking.

The problem is that one person’s "legitimate" is another person’s drug-induced hallucination.

It’s inevitable that we all place different values on different aspects of the case and different pieces of the evidence. Therefore, it’s perfectly natural that many of us draw different conclusions and ultimately have different beliefs. IMO, this is a strength of the community, not a weakness. As long as our differences don’t lead to incivility (which, of course, does tend to happen in Zodiac-related online forums), so much the better. In the words of Mark Twain:

It were not best that we should all think alike; it is difference of opinion that makes horse races.

From my perspective, if somebody doesn’t find a given line of inquiry compelling, just ignore it. Let others dig into it and try to convince the rest of the world. If it truly is not compelling, they’ll probably get nowhere. And who knows, maybe they’ll find some interesting, tangential discovery along the way.

Thank you, WoodenIgloo (and other posters as well), for taking the more scientific tack with respect to this case instead of indulging in numerology, Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon fantasizing, and magical thinking.

Think maybe we could leave Kevin Bacon out of this?

Soze

Thank you, WoodenIgloo (and other posters as well), for taking the more scientific tack with respect to this case instead of indulging in numerology, Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon fantasizing, and magical thinking.

Think maybe we could leave Kevin Bacon out of this?

Soze

Um, no.

Lol. Well that works for me. Carry on.

Soze

Why are we throwing out the bootprints at Berryessa? A trackway leading to the murder site then down to Bryan Hartnell’s car where confirmed Zodiac handwriting was found on the door is hardly spurious evidence. If we insist on dismissing all the physical evidence in these crimes, then there’s no point in bothering to try and solve them.

We aren’t throwing out bootprints. Only the notion that "Z HAD to have been in the military" mythology. Also, the printing on the car door is definitely Zodiac’s. Where did I say that it wasn’t.

Please re-read my initial post carefully.

Wood

I don’t think Zodiac had to be Military to wear Wingwalkers. He could have got them thru a military surplus store, worked as a Civilian around planes, etc

Mmmm…bacon.

ZodiacRevisited: As much as I respect your opinion, if we just ignored some theories, the important questions wouldn’t get asked in order to validate those theories. Some people will just run amok and clog the toilet. Sometimes we need to flush.

Why are we throwing out the bootprints at Berryessa? A trackway leading to the murder site then down to Bryan Hartnell’s car where confirmed Zodiac handwriting was found on the door is hardly spurious evidence. If we insist on dismissing all the physical evidence in these crimes, then there’s no point in bothering to try and solve them.

We aren’t throwing out bootprints. Only the notion that "Z HAD to have been in the military" mythology. Also, the printing on the car door is definitely Zodiac’s. Where did I say that it wasn’t.

Please re-read my initial post carefully.

Wood

I don’t think Zodiac had to be Military to wear Wingwalkers. He could have got them thru a military surplus store, worked as a Civilian around planes, etc

Agreed and my poi most likely had a pair since he had a job as a Wing Walker. Also if Zodiacs look beat up it can just be he had them awhile and were worn on more then a few occasions

Mmmm…bacon.

ZodiacRevisited: As much as I respect your opinion, if we just ignored some theories, the important questions wouldn’t get asked in order to validate those theories. Some people will just run amok and clog the toilet. Sometimes we need to flush.

Ignoring theories you don’t subscribe to is obviously tempting – and I’m sure many of us do just that.

But in the grand scheme of things I think this board would lose out if everyone just ignored theories (or so-called POIs or suspects, or claims, or whatever it may be) they didn’t particularly care for.

If we, the whole set of us, can do any good – any actual good – it has to be one of two things: Either come up with something tangible which might actually lead to something. Or criticize and question what is being presented – so that what truly has merit will stand out and, hopefully, make a difference.

The former is obviously the aim, the goal, here. But the latter plays its part too. If all manner of theories are just spouted – with no reaction other than praise or silence – then, well, what’s the point? There’s no point even for the spouters themselves – if they’re actually interested in developing something worthwhile which will withstand scrutiny and criticism. And if they just want to pass the time of day, or have their backs patted, they can surely do that elsewhere.

Mmmm…bacon.

ZodiacRevisited: As much as I respect your opinion, if we just ignored some theories, the important questions wouldn’t get asked in order to validate those theories. Some people will just run amok and clog the toilet. Sometimes we need to flush.

Ignoring theories you don’t subscribe to is obviously tempting – and I’m sure many of us do just that.

But in the grand scheme of things I think this board would lose out if everyone just ignored theories (or so-called POIs or suspects, or claims, or whatever it may be) they didn’t particularly care for.

If we, the whole set of us, can do any good – any actual good – it has to be one of two things: Either come up with something tangible which might actually lead to something. Or criticize and question what is being presented – so that what truly has merit will stand out and, hopefully, make a difference.

The former is obviously the aim, the goal, here. But the latter plays its part too. If all manner of theories are just spouted – with no reaction other than praise or silence – then, well, what’s the point? There’s no point even for the spouters themselves – if they’re actually interested in developing something worthwhile which will withstand scrutiny and criticism. And if they just want to pass the time of day, or have their backs patted, they can surely do that elsewhere.

Great post and am in agreement! As for suspects I find many are very good and have different aspects why I can see why people are interested in them and includes Ross and RG. Ross in my opinion has issues with his weight and can’t be proven link to driving and while RG has issues with his passport and where he was at on certain Zodiac dates. These both aren’t deal breakers and we lack more information. Sadly it’s very hard to get this information to prove them in or out after this many years. All we can do is keep a open mind till proven otherwise even if it is never able to come about.

If your guy is RG you have to totally dump CJB..there is little if any chance you will ever find a connection RG had with riverside/cjb (TK or X is at least minutely plausible)..no-wood is entitled to her belief..no big deal she believes RG is the best present Z prospect so I can respect that position..

Ross can be put in that library but well explicit link is as with anything Z hard to come by…if we throw it all out we end up with Ross being best guess for CJB (for now)..but Ross as Z is a huge leap (for now)..i am going with the kansas city A’s connection and Z working in a junk yard..heck its as good a theory as any (just sayin)..small rant off-god speed

wingwalkers is just that-foot wear..nutin more nutin less..my little brother walked into army surplus store in 1980 and came home with some cheap vietnam era boots he used for camping (my dad still has his korean era boots he was issued by the army)..Z may have been a frugal shopper and done the same thing..there is no way to connect Z and wingwalkers to armed force history..when he is caught we can clear these matters up

To the question of suspects:
Don’t you have to give at least some credence to LE in this case? I get the feeling that sometimes people completely discount or disregard the detectives work in developing and then dismissing suspects. For example,
Ross or RG. Do you not think the police investigated these two and hundreds of others who were eliminated because of a legitimate reason or alibi?
I am totally guilty of forgetting about or discrediting LE’s place in this case at times and often have to remind myself that there are probably file cabinets full of material the public has never seen. I find it hard to believe that detectives simply missed Ross in their investigation of the Bates case, especially given the way he was portrayed in the eyes of some at RCC.

Snooter, tell me more about your A’s theory, by PM as not to derail this thread

Mmmm…bacon.

ZodiacRevisited: As much as I respect your opinion, if we just ignored some theories, the important questions wouldn’t get asked in order to validate those theories. Some people will just run amok and clog the toilet. Sometimes we need to flush.

Interesting metaphor . I don’t disagree. I guess I should have said "you can always ignore it." There was a bit of an assumption on my part that somebody would take up the cause of engaging on the issue. Certainly, I didn’t mean to suggest people should never challenge theories they don’t agree with. The value of these forums is predicated on that type of participation. And, of course, I have argued against positions I disagree with quite a bit, as most of us have…

Say what you want about the Wing Walkers but pretty obvious they was not what your average citizen would wear. Pretty sure that’s why LE thought it was a good lead and same way about OJ with the Bruno Magli shoes.If the shoe don’t fit you must acquit