Thanks Holmes, I have been told that before , but that was many yrs ago. Others were Debbie Reynolds ,Connie Stevens and a young Liz Taylor. That last one was told to me by a movie producer in Hollywood, that was the best compliment ever! The only thing that I knew I had in common with her, was not much luck finding the right man. Of course having a serial killer following me around didn’t help LOL.
Snooter, The hood looked nothing at all like you just described. It was made from a paper sack painted with shoe polish or some black ink. The eyes were cut out and were not slits, they were very round and large. I do not remember if the nose and mouth were also cut out or not?
The only person who could have put it in my car had to be Zodiac, because no one but him would have had it! It was found before it was described in the newspaper. And still to this day , it is not described correctly! It was made in two parts not one solid piece, Bryan was able to see the killers collar under the hood. If it were one solid piece, he would not be able to see that collar and he would not be able to turn his head , if it was one solid piece. To bad they didn’t have female detectives in Napa, who knew how to sew. They would know that there is no way it could be one solid piece, with a flat square top with four corners. Even Bryan said that it did look like a paper sack. The RO seemed to have his own ideas and ignored what Bryan told him. A 12 yr old child could make a costume like that easily. The word that was used to describe it was "elaborate", that is so far from the truth it is laughable.
The idea the Lake Berryessa attacker was not the original Zodiac Killer lacks credibility. Why would a second killer bother to carry out this impostor act in such a convoluted and risky fashion? Remember this was a time when it was much easier to get away with murder. What are the odds there was another serial killer in the vicinity of Vallejo who also wanted to target young couples in such a specific way?
The idea the Lake Berryessa attacker was not the original Zodiac Killer lacks credibility. Would would a second killer bother to carry out this impostor act in such a convoluted and risky fashion? Remember this was a time when it was much easier to get away with murder. What are the odds there was another serial killer in the vicinity of Vallejo who also wanted to target young couples in such a specific way?
1. There were quite a few killers in CA at that time.
2. Stabber Z (at Lake Berryessa) may or may not have been a serial killer and he certainly did not target couples in the same "specific way" that Shooter Z did. Day vs. night, knife vs. gun, chatty, lengthy conversation vs. little or no conversation, costume vs. no known costume, knife vs. no knife present, writing on victims’ car vs. no writing on victims’ car, no letters detailing the killings, with specifics, vs. the letters from the shootings, detailing ammo used, etc……
The only reason the guy at LB is considered Zodiac is because he said so with his costume and car writing. That is it.
If shooter Z was the same guy, in his next attack (Paul Stine at PH,) wouldn’t at least SOME of his new persona attributes have been repeated? For example, signing Paul’s cab, either outside or inside. Or writing his symbol on the lenses of Paul’s glasses? Or SOMETHING?
Lake Berryessa was not Z evolving his persona – it is a pure and simple outlier in virtually every conceivable way. A completely different MO; a different guy.
Lake Berryessa was not Z evolving his persona – it is a pure and simple outlier in virtually every conceivable way. A completely different MO; a different guy.
It does make me think that there were two involved parties in Zodiac.
With LB, the letter writer carried out the attack, while the other person was responsible for the other attacks. It would fall in line with Hartnell saying how nervous the perpetrator was, if it was his first time carrying out a murder.
Lake Berryessa was not Z evolving his persona – it is a pure and simple outlier in virtually every conceivable way. A completely different MO; a different guy.
It does make me think that there were two involved parties in Zodiac.
With LB, the letter writer carried out the attack, while the other person was responsible for the other attacks. It would fall in line with Hartnell saying how nervous the perpetrator was, if it was his first time carrying out a murder.
But if they were working as a team, my above points would still apply. If, as a team, the Z persona was being evolved, why were none of the new attributes carried over into the PH attack? Why was there no letter sent, describing the attack, the knife used, or including part of Bryan’s shirt?
My point is that there were 2 unrelated entities: Shooter ("Real") Zodiac, and Stabber ("Super villain copycat") Zodiac. The attacks by each are quite distinct from each other, while the shootings and subsequent letters are quite consistent with LHR, BRS, and PH. Even the descriptions including the voices were described differently, with the voice of Stabber Z sounding younger. And yes, Stabber Z was chatty and nervous, while Shooter Z was calm, cold, and at least at BRS, silent.
Why was there no letter sent, describing the attack, the knife used, or including part of Bryan’s shirt?
There was no need to as the writing on the door was enough to establish it as a crime carried out by Zodiac.
If Zodiac was indeed two different people with only LB being done by the letter writer, then there wouldn’t be a progression for PH, since that would be the person responsible for BRS and LHR.
Do we know if there are any fingerprint matches between all the different crime scenes?
I have always had the suspicion that there were two men doing the killings as a team. To many discrepancies in description to be one man doing all these killings.
I have always had the suspicion that there were two men doing the killings as a team. To many discrepancies in description to be one man doing all these killings.
So did they both team members get whacked out? Or just one?
Amazing how nobody else recognizes the troll you are. lol
Its late and time for the Midnight Cowboy to ride again. Like the Midnight Rambler he prowls in the night.
Typically law enforcement has their heads very far up their own keisters when it comes to profiling and catching serial killers. They usually have the profiles all wrong, as in the case of Dennis Rader. They had the BTK Killer with a totally wrong profile. These people who do these profiles lead plain vanilla envelope lives. They haven’t the life experiences that these killers have. Many times serial killers are found by accident as happened in the Son of Sam case. The cop found him because he was Jewish, parked at night in an Italian neighborhood. The FBI could never solve the case because they just don’t know what they are doing in so many important cases.The Unabomber had his own brother turn him in. The FBI could never catch Ted because he is much smarter than FBI agents. That is why the typical white male is never going to solve this case. When people are living in cages of their own making all their lives it becomes impossible for them to think their own ideas. They are ruined by failures who profess to be experts.These people couldn’t catch a cold who are they trying to BS.
Profiling is not an exact science..its only a tool like a lie detector is…..usually profiles are many multiple bullet points and after suspect is caught its see "i got the 15 points right out of 200 so i want paid"….i dont know anybody in law enforcement who trusts profiling….or a lie detector…..i will say handwriting analysis has more credibility than either of the above…
2 z theory is out there among many….i dont generally buy into it for any length of time….only case where i like 2 crazies present is cjb and i think she followed a female into that alley…but hell its still unsolved after decades now and the perp was free all those years and that really pisses me off…f’in riverside pd needs to open that case and let us all have a look…buts thats another topic
Why have we not seen what the California State Forensic Lab has discovered. What information are they holding up in Sacramento. With the expert up there solving so many cases in the 1980s and 90s, why did he not look into the Zodiac case more meticulously? What does Mssr. S. know about this case?
Maybe he was to busy listening to the harmonica.
At this time you may want to pay for a psychic as thats about the last hope….art bell says they can solve many a mystery
I’m still waiting for an answer. Did both Zodiac teammates get whacked out? Because you said you thought Zodiac was a team.
