So I watched the Geraldo Rivera show “Now it can be told” (early 90’s) and saw a minute or so of Ferrin’s sister (Pam) confronting Mageau and he seemed seriously suspect when she put her finger in her face and said “I know you know who did it!”. He just stared off into the distance. Does anyone know what came of that conversation or if their is more of that undercover film? I’m convinced this cat knows something.
WildernessMedic
(Patrick G.)
So I watched the Geraldo Rivera show “Now it can be told” (early 90’s) and saw a minute or so of Ferrin’s sister (Pam) confronting Mageau and he seemed seriously suspect when she put her finger in her face and said “I know you know who did it!”. He just stared off into the distance. Does anyone know what came of that conversation or if their is more of that undercover film? I’m convinced this cat knows something.
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WildernessMedic
(Patrick G.)
So I watched the Geraldo Rivera show “Now it can be told” (early 90’s) and saw a minute or so of Ferrin’s sister (Pam) confronting Mageau and he seemed seriously suspect when she put her finger in her face and said “I know you know who did it!”. He just stared off into the distance. Does anyone know what came of that conversation or if their is more of that undercover film? I’m convinced this cat knows something.
Just because there is a site that claims to have all of the so called "facts", don’t just go by this person who disbelieves just about everyone. Everyone except "himself" is wrong as you will see if you read everything that he writes.
I watched that show and heard Pam say to Mike Mageau " I know you know who killed my sister". He did hesitate and look around before saying" I don’t remember "their" names!
It was not just Darlene’s family that knew she was being followed by a man she claimed to see kill someone. She also told her baby sitter Karen, that was why the police wanted her hypnotized. Darlene did give her the name of her stalker. Karen remembered it being a short name like Bill or Bob.
Darlene also told officer Howard "Buzz" Gordon the same thing. So it is not some made up story like this so called "non- factual" junkie wants you to believe.
He would like to think he has all the answers ,unfortunately no one has all the answers. The Zodiac case would be solved already, if that were the case.
One of my friends thinks that Steve Mageau Mike’s twin brother, was the shooter at blue rock springs, and because Steve Mageau would move between the bay and southern California to live with his mother she connects him to riverside as well.
Mike and Steve Mageau were both dating Darlene ferrin, Mike goes into detail on this topic in the "this is the zodiac speaking" documentary.
My friend thinks that Mike is protecting his brother, who was zodiac.
She also points to the police reports and comments which Mike had made: at the bottom of the report it mentions Mike being wanted by the FBI and Darlene being afraid of him but explains that he was just kidding…
It turns out these were just tall-tales that Mike would tell to get Darlene’s attention, I take it with a grain of salt, but my friend thinks there is something here.
However, I do think that Mike knew more about who shot him than he has said…
In the "this is the zodiac speaking" documentary Mike has an odd physical reaction which only occurs when he mentions that the man who shot him was named "RICHARD"
At around 24m:45s into the film we have Mike speaking about what Darlene had told him, he says:
"She told me, uhm, a friend of hers and not to worry about it, he is just jealous, that’s all she said about him, he is just jealous, she never mentions his name…she said something about RICHARD, something about his name was RICHARD, [mumbling]…named RICHARD, and I think that was his name, she referred to him as RICHARD, [places arms behind his head] the zodiac killer, the guy… she said he had a very mean temper and that if he ever found out he would kill her, he would kill her, this she mentioned those were her words, he would kill me if he ever I knew I was talking to you about that…she told me that. [Arms still behind head]
Transcribed by: topsy kret
From: this is the zodiac speaking
My thoughts on a potential reason why Mike would not talk is because he might have been shot by a vallejo police officer named richard Hoffman…
…Buzz gordon and richard Hoffman are both vallejo police officers who were rumoured to both be dating Darlene, and gordon and Hoffman had got into a fist fight over Darlene just before the murder, after that fight Hoffman swore revenge. (Hoffman was also reported to have been at the painting party)
So, let’s say that Hoffman committed the shooting, and Mike knew it was him. Then Hofmann returns alone as the responding officer, at this point he threatens Mike, he tells him that if he ever says a word he will be killed, and reminds him that he can not call the police for help, and that if he says a word to the police he will know. Then Hoffman rides in the ambulance watching Mike and confirming Darlene’s death. so, Mike keeps his mouth shut and skips town, what else could he do? And without proof who would believe him?
Why did Mike skip town? He put no effort into finding his killer and left town rather than work with the police, this would make sense if Hoffman was the shooter… (though my friend points out that this would also make sense if Mike’s twin brother Steve was the shooter, he would be protecting his brother)
I don’t think that Steve had anything to do with the zodiac crimes, though I am sure Mike knows more than he has said. Mike knew Darlene very personally, and part of me thinks that Mike knew exactly what was going on that led to her death, but it doesn’t matter what you think, or even what you know, only what you can prove.
Richard Hoffman didn’t know Darlene, let alone date her. Buzz told me in 1990s, that he went out with Darlene only one time. He had no reason to lie to me I hadn’t dated him in over 15 yrs!
Mike’s brother was too tall and way too thin to be Zodiac. I am pretty sure that the man who was bringing Darlene the gifts from Mexico was her killer. The man they called Honcho, who went to the Virgin Islands with Dee and Jim.Could be the same man Jim stayed with in Mexico and might be the man in the gray suit at the painting party?
I remember reading the guy who brought her stuff from Mexico was her friend "Lee".
Lee, of course, turned out to be RICHARD Lee Moncure: viewtopic.php?f=28&t=79
He was the one who had a white Cougar.
He is now deceased so I removed the cover over his face.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
I doubt mm has any idea…or for that matter anything in ferrins past that would have been of such magnitude to lead to her death…granted i always enjoy readin opinions and theroretical beliefs…but 2 low level pot heads sitting in a car did not deserve they level of violence they both suffered…nah..z found an opportunity and took it..still dam interesting read
I remember reading the guy who brought her stuff from Mexico was her friend "Lee".
Lee, of course, turned out to be RICHARD Lee Moncure: viewtopic.php?f=28&t=79
He was the one who had a white Cougar.
He is now deceased so I removed the cover over his face.
So "lee" is the "richard" mentioned in this report? (Near the bottom of the report marked by a red "*" )
And the "Lee" mentioned in this report is "richard" (section marked with red "*" )
Richard Hoffman didn’t know Darlene, let alone date her. Buzz told me in 1990s, that he went out with Darlene only one time. He had no reason to lie to me I hadn’t dated him in over 15 yrs!
Mike’s brother was too tall and way too thin to be Zodiac. I am pretty sure that the man who was bringing Darlene the gifts from Mexico was her killer. The man they called Honcho, who went to the Virgin Islands with Dee and Jim.Could be the same man Jim stayed with in Mexico and might be the man in the gray suit at the painting party?
When it comes To Richard Hoffman and his relationship with Darlene there is plenty of room for debate there. I have uncovered a large amount of circumstantial evidence and some solid evidence that Richard Hoffman not only knew Darlene, but was romantically involved with her. This is all for another thread though, I have been very meticulously building a case against Richard Hoffman in relation to the shooting at blue rock springs, and when it’s complete I will post my case in full for criticism and debate.
I keep an open mind in these things, and regardless of my personal feelings or opinions I do not commit to any particular suspect.
I am 100% certain that Steve Mageau was not the shooter at blue rock springs, however, simply because it was suggested, and because in reality anything could be possible, I feel it’s important to objectively investigate him just like anybody else.
…in the end through these investigations I would have proved 100% that these people were not, and could not have been zodiac. This is basically a cold case, so I have all the time in the world to investigate any and every potential suspect in depth.
I actually wanted to clear Richard Hoffman, but because we know that he was in the area of the homicide, before, during, and after the shooting, and because we know that he was in plain cloths, driving an unmarked car which resembles the one pictured below*, and because we know that he would have had a flashlight and a 9mm gun in his car, and because he matches Mike’s description as well.as other descriptions of zodiac, he seemed like a good candidate for investigation. …and unfortunately I still have not been able to clear him.
( I don’t mean to be "holding my cards close to my chest", but I really do not want to go into great detail here until I post my full case, but just some quick thoughts which are more or less unconnected to my hard evidence: do you really think that a plain cloths police officer who was assigned primarily to juveniles and patrolling "lovers lane" areas, the park at blue rock springs in particular, one of Darlene’s favorite places to go, really would have never encountered Darlene? Darlene also worked at an all night diner in Vallejo, and richard Hoffman was an "all night" officer stationed in Vallejo, do you really think that Hoffman never got coffee from the diner late at night? Or at times when dea was working? )
…as far as "buzz", I am not saying that he knew about dea’s murder, or that he was involved, but he may have had good reason to be dishonest with you if he did. My case is centered on Richard, Buzz really has nothing to do with it, I know I previously would mention him, generally in terms of speculations, but had ultimately decided to keep focus Hoffman and to not use buzz or the rumours regarding him in building my case.
( out of curiosity, I was told that buzz had to leave the vallejo police department for some pretty bad behavior, is this true? )
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Hoffman compared To the aged zodiac composite:
when it’s complete I will post my case in full for criticism and debate.
When you do I hope you address the question you have so far been ignoring, the fact that Hoffman didn’t make the phone call. So who made the call? Who was working with Hoffman if he shot Ferrin and Mageau?
Yes on the "Lee" in the police report, Zresearch.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
When you do I hope you address the question you have so far been ignoring, the fact that Hoffman didn’t make the phone call. So who made the call? Who was working with Hoffman if he shot Ferrin and Mageau?
I have not ignored it, I made an intricate timeline just to confirm it, I posted all this before.
Hoffman easily could have walked from Kaiser hospital at Broadway st. And sereno drive (975 Sereno Dr, Vallejo, CA 94589) to springs road and toulumne st. (Though i don’t think he walked)
the call from the payphone at the intersection of Springs Road and Tuolumne was logged at 12.40 am. The journey time from Blue Rock Springs parking lot to the payphone is 10 minutes, but there is a shortfall of 40 minutes after the double shooting. http://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-new … d-tuolumne
The ambulance ride explains this…
Officer Hoffman rode in the ambulance with Mike and Darlene to Kaiser hospital in vallejo. Darlene was pronounced dead on arrival at Kaiser and Mike went immediately into surgery, giving Hoffman a free moment to make the call and return to the hospital. This places Hoffman in the area of the phone with the information that Darlene had died.
So, from the hospital He could have taken Broadway st. south To Florida st. Then east on Florida st. To toulumne st. Then north on toulumne st. to springs rd. Reaching the pay phone. …He could have done this in under 1 minute and 30 seconds.
…and while Hoffman offered to wait at the hospital, with Darlene dead and Mike in the operating room he had some free time. So he went, made the call, and returned to the hospital.
This all fits…
I was trying to CLEAR hoffman, not accuse him, but thus far I have been unable to clear him in any way.
Yes on the "Lee" in the police report, Zresearch.
Thank you for confirming this in the other thread as well. Your help is very much appreciated.
