Trickery and ciphers is one thing. Presenting a puzzle – defined as such by himself – where part of the puzzle is that "radians and inches along the radians" actually means "steradians" is a completely different thing.

I just don’t see what he could possibly gain from that. If the assumption is that his main claim is actually true, viz. that there is a bomb (or possibly something else, a joke of some sort, perhaps) buried at co-ordinates it is possible to work out by solving his puzzle, then it makes zero sense to me that he would obscure the clues he gave in this fashion.

Steradians are also called "square radians" (…) So, they are radians.

That may very well be the case but the question is whether it’s reasonable to expect someone to understand that by “radians” you are in fact referring to “steradians” or “square radians”. Radian is a fairly common term – even I vaguely remember it from school. The other ones, however, I doubt anyone but a select few know anything about.

And, again, if Z is deliberately obfuscating matters by saying “radians” when in reality he means “steradians”, the obvious question seems to be…why? My take on this is that either he is just messing with the cops – or he actually wants someone to solve this puzzle of his: Something is to be found at the co-ordinates he has in mind. Obscuring the hints themselves makes little sense in the latter context.

Steradians are also called "square radians" (…) So, they are radians.

That may very well be the case but the question is whether it’s reasonable to expect someone to understand that by “radians” you are in fact referring to “steradians” or “square radians”. Radian is a fairly common term – even I vaguely remember it from school. The other ones, however, I doubt anyone but a select few know anything about.

And, again, if Z is deliberately obfuscating matters by saying “radians” when in reality he means “steradians”, the obvious question seems to be…why? My take on this is that either he is just messing with the cops – or he actually wants someone to solve this puzzle of his: Something is to be found at the co-ordinates he has in mind. Obscuring the hints themselves makes little sense in the latter context.

I understand what you are saying. A steradian is also called a solid radian, so in my mind, it is not that far of a leap to say that Z was speaking of steradians and using the term radian loosely so as to throw off the possible solving of the puzzle. By saying radians, it could mean solid radians, and with the intellect Z apparently had, I don’t think it would be abnormal for him to use a solid radian in reference to a sphere in order to make the puzzle that much harder as most with standard highschool/college degree would likely not even think of a solid radian.

Either way, I don’t see the harm in hashing it out to see if it works. Obviously the standard radian theory hasn’t, so why not try another angle to see if it does?

I find it interesting that most of the depictions of Yggdrasil: The Tree of Life are three dimensional. This picture was created in 1847.

http://www.viking-mythology.com/yggdrasil.php

I understand what you are saying. A steradian is also called a solid radian, so in my mind, it is not that far of a leap to say that Z was speaking of steradians and using the term radian loosely so as to throw off the possible solving of the puzzle. By saying radians, it could mean solid radians, and with the intellect Z apparently had, I don’t think it would be abnormal for him to use a solid radian in reference to a sphere in order to make the puzzle that much harder as most with standard highschool/college degree would likely not even think of a solid radian.

Either way, I don’t see the harm in hashing it out to see if it works. Obviously the standard radian theory hasn’t, so why not try another angle to see if it does?

No harm in it at all – certainly not.

Just to clarify one final point: I’m not saying it’s unlikely that Z himself knew about steradians. What I question is the likelihood of him making his puzzle harder, as you say, in this particular fashion. It’s hard enough to begin with, as you have to solve the cipher (which nobody has done to date, as we know) in order to get the full picture. Besides, like I suggested to begin with, this is a declared puzzle – so to speak. Z presents a puzzle and provides specific clues to it. In that context it seems a bit odd to be deliberately obscure when it comes to this radian/steradian business.

To put it in extreme terms, if the puzzle is in fact to be solved using steradians, I find it odd that he didn’t simply write "steradians and inches along the steradians" if he really wanted to give people a fair chance to solve it.

But, again, no harm in it – so carry on. I won’t harp on about this anymore.

I understand what you are saying. A steradian is also called a solid radian, so in my mind, it is not that far of a leap to say that Z was speaking of steradians and using the term radian loosely so as to throw off the possible solving of the puzzle. By saying radians, it could mean solid radians, and with the intellect Z apparently had, I don’t think it would be abnormal for him to use a solid radian in reference to a sphere in order to make the puzzle that much harder as most with standard highschool/college degree would likely not even think of a solid radian.

Either way, I don’t see the harm in hashing it out to see if it works. Obviously the standard radian theory hasn’t, so why not try another angle to see if it does?

No harm in it at all – certainly not.

Just to clarify one final point: I’m not saying it’s unlikely that Z himself knew about steradians. What I question is the likelihood of him making his puzzle harder, as you say, in this particular fashion. It’s hard enough to begin with, as you have to solve the cipher (which nobody has done to date, as we know) in order to get the full picture. Besides, like I suggested to begin with, this is a declared puzzle – so to speak. Z presents a puzzle and provides specific clues to it. In that context it seems a bit odd to be deliberately obscure when it comes to this radian/steradian business.

To put it in extreme terms, if the puzzle is in fact to be solved using steradians, I find it odd that he didn’t simply write "steradians and inches along the steradians" if he really wanted to give people a fair chance to solve it.

But, again, no harm in it – so carry on. I won’t harp on about this anymore.

Could be that was his intent maybe? He gave a hint at it by saying "radians" when in fact it is supposed to use "steradians" in order for it to be solved. Based on the number of characters before and after the "Omega" symbol, these could be coordinates based on a steradian system. On the first line there are 12 characters prior to the "Omega" and 4 after. The second line has 15 characters. This corresponds to how a coordinate with degrees, minutes and seconds would look on a steradian system.

Could also be that since he only used the Omega symbol in this particular writing, that was another clue to use steradians as this denotes an objects solid angle. The term steradian was derived from :

The name is derived from the Greek stereos for "solid" and the Latin radius for "ray, beam".

So the Omega symbol directly relates to the use of a steradian.

I think that there is double meaning in everything and it is related to Omega as well as Pi. Look at this I found will researching the Runes on the skeleton card. This seems significant.

“Aleister Crowley believed Pan to be the Wizard of Oz, and attributed to him the number 77. The Z within the circle literally ‘spells’ out Oz, and the letter Z itself is made up of two 7s, one right side up and the other upside down (just look at the old Zellers logo).”
Jake Kotze, “The Brave New World Order”
So Oz resonates 77 due to “Z” being made of two 7s. There is the Wizard of Oz and Return to Oz movies, Oz Magazine, Oprah’s “Dr. Oz,” and the Oz HBO show. The abbreviation for ounces is Oz even though there is no “Z” in the word, so Oz (77) lines the grocery store shelves and products.

Zellers uses the Z inside an O logo and even spells out the “77” clearly.

ON is the Egyptian Sun God and word for light.

Dr. NO was the first 007 movie starring 33rd degree Mason Sean Connery who also starred in Zardoz (as in the WiZard of OZ). Boeing made a 707 plane and still continues the 7×7 line of planes today. When you sleep and “get some Z’s” you’re also getting some 77s. The word Zoo, meaning a place where animals are caged and observed, interestingly resonates 77.

Also the word Zodiac encodes not only Oz (77) but a much deeper numerological secret. If you change the letter order of Zodiac to Cadoiz, an interesting numerological “coincidence” is revealed: C=3, A=1, D=4, O=15, I=9, Z=26. 3.1415926 The first 8 digits of Pi are encoded in Zodiac.

(dub.dub.dub.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/atlantean_conspiracy/atlantean_conspiracy39.htm)

Any connections to the date March 14th?
http://boingboing.net/2011/03/14/celebr … y-314.html

Zodiac suspect Richard Gaikowski’s birthdate is March 14.

Someone has a theory about the Halloween Card and Pi.

http://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-news/pi-in-the-sky

Bobby Beausoleil of the Manson Family had a band called The Magick Powerhouse of Oz, with the Z inside the O.

Those are just a few connections that come to mind right away and I’m sure others could add to this with pi connections to other suspects. The idea paints too broad of a stroke to really be of any help.

Zodiac suspect Richard Gaikowski’s birthdate is March 14.

Someone has a theory about the Halloween Card and Pi.

http://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-news/pi-in-the-sky

Bobby Beausoleil of the Manson Family had a band called The Magick Powerhouse of Oz, with the Z inside the O.

Those are just a few connections that come to mind right away and I’m sure others could add to this with pi connections to other suspects. The idea paints too broad of a stroke to really be of any help.

Kenneth Anger is really into Aleister Crowley the three circles around the P I show up at the beginning of Invocation of My Demon Brother 1969 https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ … ger+movies http://oto-usa.org/oto/dues-fees/ http://www.tomegatherion.co.uk/oto.htm I’ve always wondered if he could be this Dr.Z viewtopic.php?f=99&t=816 His movies are truly creepy. http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/reply/1 … ply-145458 http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/reply/1 … ply-145505 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-hob … 30500.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVkrukwMj80

An idea I had at one point but never developed (I think this is as good a thread as any to bring it up in):

Is it possible that Z simply misused the term "radian"?

As mentioned before I vaguely recall the term from school – but before I took an interest in the Z case I definitely wouldn’t have been able to explain what a radian actually is.

Furthermore, I have seen people use the term "radian" when they are, in fact, referring to "radius" and even to a single line, or "ray" emanating from a point within a circle:

The line (which protrudes at a certain angle from the center) being (erroneously, of course) referred to as a "radian".

Well, the question is a simple one: Is it conceivable that Z, like most people, had a fairly vague idea about what a radian actually is – and misused the term?

Just an idea, so don’t go crazy on me.

An idea I had at one point but never developed (I think this is as good a thread as any to bring it up in):

Is it possible that Z simply misused the term "radian"?

As mentioned before I vaguely recall the term from school – but before I took an interest in the Z case I definitely wouldn’t have been able to explain what a radian actually is.

It’s funny – I was thinking this EXACT same thought just yesterday. Z’s use of 0, 3, 6, 9 pretty clearly indicates a clock face to me, in which a 360 degree circle is divided by 12, giving 12 sections of 30 degrees each.

Maybe Zodiac thought that 30 degrees was a ‘radian.’

-glurk

–Funny glurk, your post reminded me of a thread I created and an old post of mine where I discussed the code being numbers:

viewtopic.php?f=81&t=310&p=721&hilit=longitude#p721

"Regarding the map and use of 0, 3, 6, 9…..looks like a reference to a clock/time.

Longitude and latitude are also measured in minutes, seconds, etc. This is what Mt. D was used for. It makes sense Mt. Diablo is used as a reference point for a location. I’m thinking # of inches along radians is seconds."

Radians translate to degrees.

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And from the old site: "Basic 8th grade math"….degrees & seconds….longitude and latitude.

http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com … e-latitude

(I thought I moved that thread here. I will look for it and if not, I will)

An idea I had at one point but never developed (I think this is as good a thread as any to bring it up in):

Is it possible that Z simply misused the term "radian"?

As mentioned before I vaguely recall the term from school – but before I took an interest in the Z case I definitely wouldn’t have been able to explain what a radian actually is.

It’s funny – I was thinking this EXACT same thought just yesterday. Z’s use of 0, 3, 6, 9 pretty clearly indicates a clock face to me, in which a 360 degree circle is divided by 12, giving 12 sections of 30 degrees each.

Maybe Zodiac thought that 30 degrees was a ‘radian.’

-glurk

I’ve wondered if he was actually trying to refer to a radial line, and go # inches along that line. Something akin to 4 o’clock and 4 inches.

I’ve wondered if he was actually trying to refer to a radial line, and go # inches along that line. Something akin to 4 o’clock and 4 inches.

Yes. A very simple thing, really. The only piece of trickery being that "4 o’ clock" would actually be "4 o ‘clock plus/minus X" since "12" or "0" (which Z operates with) would be magnetic north.

Solved cipher clue: "X o’ clock, X inches".

Adjusted (going with magnetic north as "0") you get something like this:

And presto. Where the (radial) line ends (X inches from "4" on the face of the clock), the bomb (or whatever it might be) is located.

I like it Norse.. now stick it on a map and run a line through it ..See what towns, mountain tops, cities, airfields etc it runs over, see if anything pops out.