They refer to Dr. Holt, and the timing appears to be right. ??

Yeah, and it specifically says it was done by the SFPD. It seems TV’s info muddied the waters a bit since it’s about a different DNA test. That’s how I’m understanding this anyway.

She did work for the SFPD.

By that do you mean she performed work for the SFPD? Or she was employed by the SFPD?

I ask that because if she was employed by the SFPD and worked in their lab, does than mean the work done for the show was done in conjunction with SFPD, or done separately at a different lab on her own time?

Sorry….that certainly needed better clarification. She was actually employed by the SFPD and worked in their lab.

I have contacted her. As mentioned elsewhere…I doubt she will reply.

DNA Technical Leader / Forensic Biology Supervisor
Criminalistics Laboratory, City and County of San Francisco

July 2000 – November 2004 (4 years 5 months)
• Grew the Forensic Biology program, implemented new technologies for quantitative STR-based casework adherent to national guidelines and local user needs;
• Achieved national certification in one year;
• Shepherded work product through legal challenges and judicial system admissibility;
• Managed and trained a team of DNA analysts and other stakeholders;
• Delivered project results for the responsible use of science to aid the justice system.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/cydne-holt-31893212

OK, thanks Tahoe. I suppose she still could have done the DNA work for the show at a private lab on her own time. I’m just trying to nail down if we are talking about two separate DNA tests.

Only what Ken Mains gave me. Some had mentioned the watch could be Cheri’s and he confirmed it was tested and it was definitely not hers. That’s all I got….sorry!

I still think it’s possible that watch belonged to a John Swindel from San Diego.

…."Holt retrieved saliva traces beneath a stamp and was able to replicate a DNA sample large enough to test".

…"Inspectors Carroll and Maloney say the new DNA lab results eliminate Allen as the person who licked the envelopes and stamps from the confirmed Zodiac letters."

San Francisco Chronicle – October 15, 2002
http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/DNA … 784268.php

"Beneath a stamp" are the reporter’s words. He may have simply assumed (like many others) that the DNA came from the seal.

Also, the situation with Allen was much more nuanced than that. From the October 16th 2002 Vallejo Times:

DNA collected from a stamp on an authentic Zodiac letter is not from Allen, SFPD homicide investigator Michael Maloney said Tuesday. "It’s 100 percent certain that his DNA was not on the letter that was tested," Maloney said. But Maloney added he’s not convinced that Allen is free from involvement in the Zodiac killings. "I think, if you look at the entire case, Allen, although not linked to the letter, should be looked at . . . I’m not saying he’s the Zodiac," Maloney said. "It’s premature to drop Allen out. Finding DNA that’s not his could mean other people . . . it does mean other people are involved in the case," he said.

…The Chronicle article was fueled by an interview with Inspector Kelly Carroll, who, Maloney said, does not share all of his views about Allen. Maloney said his partner doesn’t think Allen could have written the letters. Carroll did not return phone calls Tuesday.

"Beneath a stamp" are the reporter’s words. He may have simply assumed (like many others) that the DNA came from the seal."

I would tend to disagree with that. The reporter Mike Weiss was very professional, taught journalism at UC Berkeley. He also wrote the book on the Moscone-Harvey Milk murders.

"Holt retrieved saliva traces beneath a stamp and was able to replicate a DNA sample large enough to test."

Anything’s possible but for a veteran reporter to make this statement, he’s very likely repeating what was told to him by an authority in the case, rather than making an assumption of his own.

Tahoe,
I read on Tom V’s site your post that said the watch recovered from Cheri Jo’s crime scene was tested for DNA.
This is the first I’ve heard of this, do you have anymore info/details about this ??

You figure they also would have tested the hairs they found that were not Cheri jo’s

Documents:

I have tons more…

And DNA is frequently mentioned…

Tahoe,
I read on Tom V’s site your post that said the watch recovered from Cheri Jo’s crime scene was tested for DNA.
This is the first I’ve heard of this, do you have anymore info/details about this ??

You figure they also would have tested the hairs they found that were not Cheri jo’s

Yes, they tested those hairs back in 1999/2000 and obtained a complete Mitochondrial DNA profile which proved to be a
conclusive no match for RPD’s suspect "Bob Barnett".

I’m hoping because of the publicity created by "The Hunt For The Zodiac Killer" & Ross Sullivan that will compel RPD to
obtain a sample of Ross’ brother’s mtDNA for comparison. this simple test would conclusively rule Ross in or out as Cheri’s
assailant.

Zresearcher–

A lot of what you share is already here.

It’s always easier to post a link – Cheri Bates DNA: viewtopic.php?f=33&t=92

For all of it’s flaws, I do hope there’s a second season. Ultimately it would be fantastic if the case could be solved, but since I doubt that would happen it would still be great to possibly make some new discoveries and open up new avenues of investigation.

Obviously they couldn’t solve it in season two, because then they couldn’t make a season three!

The more attention brought to the case, the better.

Tahoe,
I read on Tom V’s site your post that said the watch recovered from Cheri Jo’s crime scene was tested for DNA.
This is the first I’ve heard of this, do you have anymore info/details about this ??

You figure they also would have tested the hairs they found that were not Cheri jo’s

Yes, they tested those hairs back in 1999/2000 and obtained a complete Mitochondral DNA profile which proved to be a
conclusive no match for RPD’s suspect "Bob Barnett".

I’m hoping because of the publicity created by "The Hunt For The Zodiac Killer" & Ross Sullivan that will compel RPD to
obtain a sample of Ross’ brother’s mtDNA for comparison. this simple test would conclusively rule Ross in or out as Cheri’s
assailant.

They should have tested for Sullivan DNA a long time ago…

See, this is ridiculous, they actually have a DNA sample from the hairs, yet they still have not tested anybody but their "secret suspect"… (bob Barnett apparently)

WHY?

I feel a "season two" should be essential. There are all these great potential means of confirming or denying these long standing theories, however, unless you have the resources and funding of the history channel, you would never be able to carry out these tests.

Seriously, they could create seasons until the case is solved, and I expect that they will.

(If not they should have one of you guys pitch a similar show to another network, if they gave some of you guys the resources and funding I’m sure something would get solved)

Zresearcher–

A lot of what you share is already here.

It’s always easier to post a link – Cheri Bates DNA: viewtopic.php?f=33&t=92

The name is actually "z research" as in "I am using this account to research zodiac" I even created a "zodiacresearch" e-mail address for all of my zodiac related research. The name does not imply seniority or expertise, it’s simply a method for me to categorize the account and its primary use.

About information being on the site…be it already on the site, it is not in this thread in relation to the conversation at hand, which is why I felt it necessary to post the FBI documents in relation to the topic, this way other posters can see the exact document that I was referring to with highlighted sections pointing out the exact sections which were significant. While simply providing a link to another thread is devils of specificity in this regard.

(One of my friends who works in investigation sent me thousands of pages of local police department, DOJ, and FBI reports, I have no way of knowing what is already on this site.)

(By the way, You should be careful just clicking on links that others provide for you. I know a good deal about malicious code, and I know how easy it is to get a "remote accessing tool" or similar malicious code onto the devices of people who like to click provided links from unknown sources )

Edit from the post above:

"providing a link to another thread is devils of specificity in this regard

Was supposed to say:

providing a link to another thread is devoid of specificity in this regard