Great post Sandy. What was that sketch from the side thing about again? Is it available somewhere?

QT

I like kj as a witness..but with 2 composits that are decidely different this whole z mess may have involved a family affair of demented bastards..i dont really like multiple z’s but i can see why some would suggest that…on paper i would have placed kj as the best witness…then that kid at PH who has never been named publicly or found..my gut on the kid is he described X but thats a wild ass guess….witnesses in the entirety if the z case just plain suck..not there fault..but its all weak eyewitness accounts…

Great post Sandy. What was that sketch from the side thing about again? Is it available somewhere?

QT

Thanks QT, I think it is shown on Zkiller.com but I will check. Morf might also have it? It was in the SF chronicle showing the SFPD composite. But in that same picture you can see the one I am talking about.
I found the copy that I have( Not a good copy) At the bottom of my copy it has
Hope that will help?

I like kj as a witness..but with 2 composits that are decidely different this whole z mess may have involved a family affair of demented bastards..i dont really like multiple z’s but i can see why some would suggest that…on paper i would have placed kj as the best witness…then that kid at PH who has never been named publicly or found..my gut on the kid is he described X but thats a wild ass guess….witnesses in the entirety if the z case just plain suck..not there fault..but its all weak eyewitness accounts…

snooter, I am pretty sure that male teen witness was one of the teens from across the street who has been named, but because of his safety it is not a good idea to post his name. He did not name Mr. X as the suspect, neither did Foukes or Zelms.

I can’t say for sure , but I think Mr.X became a suspect to Mike R, because Zodiac started to walk up the stairs of Mr X’s home on Jackson St. with in minutes of the shooting?
I can certainly understand why that would peek a interest in the person who lived at that home.

My take on that is Zodiac saw the squad car approaching and pretended to be a resident of that home, knowing that the police would not think that someone who lived in one of those homes would be a robber of a cab driver. Zodiac just happened to chose that home, because it was the one next to where he was at that time, otherwise we would be looking at someone else as a suspect on Jackson st.

When Z posted SFPD = 0, me = 37, I recall the logic being used to the public was, he is lying, how do we know he’s lying. We don’t have 37 people missing, or that have been murdered since Dec. ’68. He wasn’t claiming this number as Z, he said (me), he wasn’t claiming all his murders were done in the Bay Area, or even in Ca. Could he be lying, he’s a serial killer, so I think he would be capable of lying. do we know he was lying? Of course not. We just don’t know, he didn’t name his 37 victims, so how could anyone know. I do think Z had some history in the murder game before Dec. ’68. I can’t see anyone committing his 2 crimes in Benecia and Vallejo, and then proclaiming himself a master killer, way too smart for any LE to catch him. It just seems that would take years of experience without ever being caught for him to have this in your face attitude.

One thing about the KJ case has always bothered me. I know she was the best, the only witness, to who had abducted her and her baby. I believe it was Z she was with, but regardless of what I think, or who even she ID’d shortly after from Z’s wanted poster. she was 3′ from the man who abducted her for about 2 hours? Why no composite? We should be as familiar with that composite, as we are with the 2 others of Z. Even though she said the composite of Z was the guy who abducted her, she had a much closer, better and longer view of the guy than anyone. so why not produce and publicize that composite? Even if it’s not Z, society would certainly want a person like that removed from society. but it was like there was never any interest by LE, not enough to produce a composite. the guy uses a trick to subdue a woman and her baby, kidnaps them, terrorizes her for hours while driving around, threatens her and her baby with death. Then goes back and torches her car.
Whoever that guy was KJ could provide great detail of his features, and if it was Z, those details may have solved the case. Just has always bothered me, and I guess it always will.

Bay

BA60’s, I saw a very different composite in one of the SF Chronicle articles about Zodiac. It showed a few composites on the desk top of I believe Jim Deasy? It was as if it jumped off the page when I saw it, because it looked just like the picture I took of my stalker.
It is a profile drawing of a suspect and the side of that profile would be his right side , which would have been the side that K Johns saw. I don’t know of any other witness other than her who would have seen that side of his face? I am guessing that they did ask her about a composite and that one is it.

Deasy retired around 1990 when I first spoke to him about my suspect. But perhaps if someone could talk to who ever is working the case now, he might know where that composite came from?

Is Kathleen Johns still alive and if so, is she still willing to speak about this?

Is Kathleen Johns still alive and if so, is she still willing to speak about this?

Kathleen Johns died in 2002.

I believe that Zodiac was CJB’s killer. Riverside police believe he wrote the confession letter that the police said only the killer could have written, because of details only the killer could have known.
He didn’t sign it with his logo or the name Zodiac, but the fancy Z at the bottom is good enough for me. I have personally seen that same fancy Z written on my car.
I am pretty sure a copy cat would have written Zodiac and put the logo.

The unknown witness for the Stine murder named Xenophon Lusby Anthony as a possible suspect not Mr X.
Sorry too tired to look back through the posts to see who asked that question.

I think there is a misunderstanding about when Zodiac mentioned " There are a lot more down there". He didn’t specifically mention "Riverside" when he said down there. I think he meant southern Calif. There were several homicides in southern Calif. So he may not have lied about having more victims there. He was a seasoned killer before he started in northern Ca.

When he wrote on Hartnell’s car door he listed his victims in northern Ca.not southern Ca. I think he separates the two parts of Calif.
I also believe that he has killed far more than we know and that he is still doing his "thing". The new poster"MySecretPal" will probably back me on that one, being he believes as I do that the cowardly Z is still alive.

I think there is a misunderstanding about when Zodiac mentioned " There are a lot more down there". He didn’t specifically mention "Riverside" when he said down there. I think he meant southern Calif. There were several homicides in southern Calif. So he may not have lied about having more victims there. He was a seasoned killer before he started in northern Ca.

When he wrote on Hartnell’s car door he listed his victims in northern Ca.not southern Ca. I think he separates the two parts of Calif.

Not that it really matters, it is just one opinion verses another but, I think he meant Riverside. He certainly chimed in when all the talk started.

I think the reason why he doesn’t include Riverside or, any other location for that matter (I’m pretty fond of him doing the Swindles), is because I think he was trying to distance himself (at least at the time) from a location that he pretty much lost control of (perhaps indicating a first kill). He lost control because it was personal and the volume of wounds dictate this. A crime of a personal nature indicates he knew her. That knowing will get him caught, or shall I say, identified. The Zodiac in my opinion is long dead.

Soze

yes, Sandy i do believe he separates the southern California and earlier crimes from the known Zodiac crimes, because he was younger, made more mistakes, and at least from the Cheri Jo Bates murder, it was more personal.

I believe i’ve linked him to the Domingos/Edwards, Swindle’s Murder at Ocean Beach San Diego, and Cheri Jo Bates as well.
although they’re all separate incidents, and before he took on the Zodiac persona, if you will. IMO

and as was discovered by the author of the crack-proof website. That’s not a Z on the confession letter. It’s ShortHand. and that alone almost conclusively links the confession letter to the Zodiac’s letters which he hid short hand messages on as well.